*snip* So the physical gender and the genus of the soul might not be relevant (they don't have to over lap).
Yeah, it doesn't really make a difference. After all, Corypheus is male, and his high-dragon pet is female, but it has part of his soul in it. That mattering would be silly.
As for the latter, we're pretty sure we're not out of Archdemons, the song persists, and is even physically audible below the Western approach. Furthermore, the Wardens know where the remaining prisons of the Old Gods are. I'm pretty sure the world would know if only one was left, instead of two. Not entirely impossible of course, since those Warden shenanigans have to come from somewhere (though the truth of the blight would probably serve better here).
Actually, it's not audible, it was audible. It's an ancient text, and I'm pretty sure if it was still audible someone would mention it.
Cole mentions it and the sand is even noted to vibrate by your party members when you stand near the mine.
Hmm, that doesn't make much sense to me. You'd think something would happen, like a war table mission where the Inquisition (perhaps only with GW allies?) can continue the excavation, or... just something. Seems too important to shrug off, especially with only 2 predicted blights remaining. Also strange that I've never heard any comments.
I can buy the "Andraste was Dumat" theory, but I can't buy these "Flemeth is an Old God" theories, unless she/he/it's meant to be Draconis, the fabled 8th Old God not mentioned in Tevinter records after being censored. Flemeth certainly isn't Dumat; Flemeth clearly fears the Blight and the Darkspawn, especially in Origins, and clearly wants it stopped. Were Flemeth Dumat, or were Dumat back on Thedas at all, I think all of Thedasian society would've been wiped out by now. Very, very quickly, and don't think Flemeth would be worried about the Blight overtaking everything, unless Flemeth IS Dumat trying to turn a new leaf for even more sinister purposes. Even then it seems odd that the cast of Origins could beat Flemeth relatively easily if it was in fact Dumat himself.
Because remember that over 1/2 of all Humans, Elves, and Dwarves were killed by him in the First Blight. You don't **** with Dumat.
OGs obviously fear the blight. I'm not saying you're wrong, but what you're citing as proof doesn't go as far as you think. You're assuming the OGs want to be ADs but there's no proof of it.
Hmm, that doesn't make much sense to me. You'd think something would happen, like a war table mission where the Inquisition (perhaps only with GW allies?) can continue the excavation, or... just something. Seems too important to shrug off, especially with only 2 predicted blights remaining. Also strange that I've never heard any comments.
Why mess with a sleeping Old God when the world is already ending? All we have about it is an ancient warden logbook. Cole doesn't tell the Inquisitor about what he heard in Asunder, and we don't know if he even understood the significance of it, so there really isn't much reason for the Inquisition to take an interest in that particular can of worms.
Plus Cory's ability to manipulate and control the Blight, I think waking up an Archdemon would just make it that much harder to defeat him.
EDIT: Additionally, it's not important. It would be important to the Grey Wardens, considering what their current, slightly shady, objectives are, and it's important to us as fans, but it isn't important to an Inquisition that is attempting to mend the hole in the sky. Even post-game, the where-abouts of Old Gods isn't important to ordinary folk, or even extraordinary folk not connected to the GW.
Why mess with a sleeping Old God when the world is already ending? All we have about it is an ancient warden logbook. Cole doesn't tell the Inquisitor about what he heard in Asunder, and we don't know if he even understood the significance of it, so there really isn't much reason for the Inquisition to take an interest in that particular can of worms.
Plus Cory's ability to manipulate and control the Blight, I think waking up an Archdemon would just make it that much harder to defeat him.
EDIT: Additionally, it's not important. It would be important to the Grey Wardens, considering what their current, slightly shady, objectives are, and it's important to us as fans, but it isn't important to an Inquisition that is attempting to mend the whole in the sky. Even post-game, the where-abouts of Old Gods isn't important to ordinary folk, or even extraordinary folk not connected to the GW.
I disagree. I think it's very, very important. I'm not even necessarily suggesting waking it up or anything, I just think it's weird that almost nothing comes of it, even interesting dialogue etc.
I disagree. I think it's very, very important. I'm not even necessarily suggesting waking it up or anything, I just think it's weird that almost nothing comes of it, even interesting dialogue etc.
Yeah, but inquisition is full of that. I mean, if you get your vallaslin removed, a whopping ONE person comments on it. And you would also think that with the Wardens exiled the Inquisition would occupy forts over known darkspawn tunnels.
Hmm, that doesn't make much sense to me. You'd think something would happen, like a war table mission where the Inquisition (perhaps only with GW allies?) can continue the excavation, or... just something. Seems too important to shrug off, especially with only 2 predicted blights remaining. Also strange that I've never heard any comments.
Even the Grey Wardens couldn't progress very far due to how overwhelming the song was down there.
Yeah, but inquisition is full of that. I mean, if you get your vallaslin removed, a whopping ONE person comments on it. And you would also think that with the Wardens exiled the Inquisition would occupy forts over known darkspawn tunnels.
Yeah, you're right, people don't seem to notice these things happening. Another one is if your clan is killed. Not even YOU. Same thing is going to happen on Tuesday with the Black Emporium. You can look as different as possible and not even your lover would notice
Even the Grey Wardens couldn't progress very far due to how overwhelming the song was down there.
Yeah, maybe not, but there were going to try. I don't know, I just think it's weird that not much came of it, that's all.
Yeah, you're right, people don't seem to notice these things happening. Another one is if your clan is killed. Not even YOU. Same thing is going to happen on Tuesday with the Black Emporium. You can look as different as possible and not even your lover would notice
Yeah, maybe not, but there were going to try. I don't know, I just think it's weird that not much came of it, that's all.
I suspect that was just to address the issue of why, if Wardens know where the Archdemons are, don't they try and deal with them preemptively? So know we know that they've tried but it's just too difficult.
I suspect that was just to address the issue of why, if Wardens know where the Archdemons are, don't they try and deal with them preemptively? So know we know that they've tried but it's just too difficult.
They say it's because there are too many darkspawn. My own theory is that the GWs know that darkspawn aren't what taint the OGs - their old magister priests do. So there's no point.
We have some proof this is true, since the Architect started the fight blight on finding Urthemiel and he was his priest.
They say it's because there are too many darkspawn. My own theory is that the GWs know that darkspawn aren't what taint the OGs - their old magister priests do. So there's no point.
We have some proof this is true, since the Architect started the fight blight on finding Urthemiel and he was his priest.
Someone on reddit posted some information about WOT2
Spoiler
It seems someone found a OG prison , there were dead darkspawn it looked like they were praying and the other darkspawn were avoiding the main chamber.Also magical /oppressive aura.
It reminds me a bit of the darkspawn avoiding the Old Thaig in DA 2.
And well ...if the darkspawn avoid the chamber , and were busy praying .Who was awaking the Od God exactly?
I'm still not 100% convinced by each priest awake his own God theory.Mostly because the Architect had a plan in mind when he did this , he says it was an accident and not a compulsion.
Cory also never talks about waking up Dumat .
Now clearly Archi and Cory are delusional about a number of things.So who knows?
I wonder if we'll ever see an Old God prison , it should be very interesting.
Are you sure? I thought Dumat asked Cory to go to the Fade. Same with the Architect and presumably the other High Priests and their Gods, no? Perhaps I'm wrong, wouldn't be surprised. XD
Chantry propaganda says that the old gods told them to. An artefact in the fade and cory's notes say that he went into the fade because Dumat no-longer responded and he wanted to find out or something/
Chantry propaganda says that the old gods told them to. An artefact in the fade and cory's notes say that he went into the fade because Dumat no-longer responded and he wanted to find out or something/
Do you think the blackening of the Golden City and the silence of the Old Gods are caused by the same thing?
There's some "Claws of Dumat" in the Primeval Thaig.
Now I'm almost hoping it's just re used asset because...
Having a pre blight thaig with dwarves who were worshipping some "Gods" , were into Dumat , got betrayed and left to die , with sign of elven presence , and a funny looking Idol made of lyrium and the Blight ...showing a female figure wearing what look like Flemeth headgear , and others figures being eaten by what looks like something dragony.
Chantry propaganda says that the old gods told them to. An artefact in the fade and cory's notes say that he went into the fade because Dumat no-longer responded and he wanted to find out or something/
To be fair only the dissonant Canticle of Silence says they went in at Dumat's behest, I'm fairly certain Threnodies just says that the magisters went in because of their pride.
There's some "Claws of Dumat" in the Primeval Thaig.
Now I'm almost hoping it's just re used asset because...
Having a pre blight thaig with dwarves who were worshipping some "Gods" , were into Dumat , got betrayed and left to die , with sign of elven presence , and a funny looking Idol made of lyrium and the Blight ...showing a female figure wearing what look like Flemeth headgear , and others figures being eaten by what looks like something dragony.
Erf...
Maybe the idol is a depiction of Mythal (in her serpent form) battling the crazed Andruil who appears to have been tainted by the blight or red lyrium armour. As for the Thaig, it's my view that it is linked to the Forgotten Ones (who are associated with the taint). Corypheus starts having weird dreams after he brings that statue into his house - I don't think its similarity to the statues in the Thaig is accidental.
There's some "Claws of Dumat" in the Primeval Thaig.
Now I'm almost hoping it's just re used asset because...
Having a pre blight thaig with dwarves who were worshipping some "Gods" , were into Dumat , got betrayed and left to die , with sign of elven presence , and a funny looking Idol made of lyrium and the Blight ...showing a female figure wearing what look like Flemeth headgear , and others figures being eaten by what looks like something dragony.
Erf...
How do you know what a claw of Dumat looks like? We never saw one.
Chantry propaganda says that the old gods told them to. An artefact in the fade and cory's notes say that he went into the fade because Dumat no-longer responded and he wanted to find out or something/
Hmm. But in DA2: "The light. We sought the golden light. You offered... the power of the gods themselves. But it was... black... corrupt. Darkness... ever since. How long?" And I took another look at his notes - in the Shrine of Dumat, no? None of them mention why he went, really, only that he found darkness there, and that Dumat is silent now.
That codex in the Fade I never took to be from Corypheus, but just from another worshiper of Dumat and the Old Gods, of which there were quite a few (thousands, I would think). For one, the codex is written during the Blight, after the darkspawn have begun their attacks on the Dwarves and Dumat has become an archdemon. Two, even according to Chantry sources, the Old Gods all went silent after the blights began, so this is nothing new. And that silence led to mass abandonment of the Old God faith. Well, that and the whole Dumat-archdemon thing, too. XD
I don't think anything has yet refuted the High Priests going to the Golden City because their masters willed them to do so. Wasn't that their position, to exert the wills of their gods, follow their orders? Not saying it's true, but there's no real reason I can think of to toss it aside, either.
Plus, just for kicks, the Canticle of Silence verses someone spotted in previews for WOTv2:
Spoiler
(9)The High Priest of Beauty, Architect of the Works of Beauty, designed
Every work and wonder of the Imperium according to the plans of his god.
To him, the Conductor went in secret, armed
With the whisper of Silence.
(10)But the High Priest of Beauty was sorely troubled,
For he served only the Great Plans
And would in no wise raise a servant of Silence
Above himself or his god.
(11)And yet, the fire in the Conductor's heart ignited
Within the Architect a terrible flame.
And so he turned all the lesser priests and acolytes from the Temple of Beauty
To beseech counsel from his god.
(...)
(14)but the designs of Beauty's High Priest demanded more.
No small sacrifice would open the gate.
And so, the High Priest of Silence went forth again.
To the Watchman of Night, and the Forgewright of Fire,
To the Appraiser of Slavery and the Augur of Mystery,
And last of all, the Madman of Chaos
The words of Silence were revealed.
While certainly potential propaganda, it's still interesting, no?
... Also, I really need to get my hands on the WOT books. xD
Hmm. But in DA2: "The light. We sought the golden light. You offered... the power of the gods themselves. But it was... black... corrupt. Darkness... ever since. How long?" And I took another look at his notes - in the Shrine of Dumat, no? None of them mention why he went, really, only that he found darkness there, and that Dumat is silent now.
That codex in the Fade I never took to be from Corypheus, but just from another worshiper of Dumat and the Old Gods, of which there were quite a few (thousands, I would think). For one, the codex is written during the Blight, after the darkspawn have begun their attacks on the Dwarves and Dumat has become an archdemon. Two, even according to Chantry sources, the Old Gods all went silent after the blights began, so this is nothing new. And that silence led to mass abandonment of the Old God faith. Well, that and the whole Dumat-archdemon thing, too. XD
I don't think anything has yet refuted the High Priests going to the Golden City because their masters willed them to do so. Wasn't that their position, to exert the wills of their gods, follow their orders? Not saying it's true, but there's no real reason I can think of to toss it aside, either.
Plus, just for kicks, the Canticle of Silence verses someone spotted in previews for WOTv2:
Spoiler
(9)The High Priest of Beauty, Architect of the Works of Beauty, designed
Every work and wonder of the Imperium according to the plans of his god.
To him, the Conductor went in secret, armed
With the whisper of Silence.
(10)But the High Priest of Beauty was sorely troubled,
For he served only the Great Plans
And would in no wise raise a servant of Silence
Above himself or his god.
(11)And yet, the fire in the Conductor's heart ignited
Within the Architect a terrible flame.
And so he turned all the lesser priests and acolytes from the Temple of Beauty
To beseech counsel from his god.
(...)
(14)but the designs of Beauty's High Priest demanded more.
No small sacrifice would open the gate.
And so, the High Priest of Silence went forth again.
To the Watchman of Night, and the Forgewright of Fire,
To the Appraiser of Slavery and the Augur of Mystery,
And last of all, the Madman of Chaos
The words of Silence were revealed.
While certainly potential propaganda, it's still interesting, no?
... Also, I really need to get my hands on the WOT books. xD
Perhaps. However cory in DA:I does say it was black when they got there.
In Legacy he's just woken up so he's a bit confused.
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