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[Reznore57]

Spoilers from WOT 2

 

Spoiler

I got the book , I'm a bit tired and brain dead right now but about Dumat :

It seems most of the Old Tevinter "relationship" with Dumat was ...."Hey I had a dream, must be Dumat sending me a message!"

The first dreamers who got in touch with Dumat , said he got blood magic from him.

But there's a couple of reports saying Tevinter learned blood magic from elves.

After the Golden city trip ,Tevinter had less and less dreamers being born , for unknown reasons.

 

Also when Bodhan found Sandal in the deep road , he was in a special thaig where they found dragons statues , and mosaic made of gold showing elves , dwarves and dragons.(please no post about OMG Sandal is a god in disguise...)

I think the dwarves were involved in the Old Gods prisons somehow.

 

Oh and there's some text about a warden baiting Coryphifish with Dumat carcass when they wanted to jail him in the Vinmark, can't remember exactly what happened but it was bad.Blood magic involved etc..; 

 

And some Legion of the dead found an empty OG prison .Apparently the residue of the  spell  holding the Old God was terrible.Scaring the darkspawn and the Legion.

So probably not the Maker divine light and more red lyrium , blood magic stuff.

[Lethaya]

Ugh I want that booook. D:<

 

Jealous, in other words. ;D Thanks for the info, Reznore57!

 

Perhaps. However cory in DA:I does say it was black when they got there.

 

In Legacy he's just woken up so he's a bit confused.

 

Very true. But just cause it was black when they get there (perhaps), doesn't mean they weren't told to go there all the same! XD

 

Interesting nonetheless.

[Aren]

Every Old God is dead in the franchise except for 3 who their fate is uncertain.

Dumat= Fate uncertain defeated by The Warden of the Sentinel's Armor

Zazikale=Corin

Toth=Loris

Andhoral=Garahel

Urthemiel= 50/50%= non-mandatory (means that we will never see him again despite the fact that he can survive)

Razikale=  (i believe) is the Queen Dragon of the Silent grove, awakened with Maric,guarded by Yavana,who can be potentially stabbed by Alistair if he is a GW or a King.

Lusacan=Western approach dormant

8th old god=???

3 of them remains for  the achievement End of the world,I'm so excited

[Bad King]

 

Every Old God is dead in the franchise except for 3 who their fate is uncertain.

Dumat= Fate uncertain defeated by The Warden of the Sentinel's Armor

Zazikale=Corin

Toth=Loris

Andhoral=Garahel

Urthemiel= 50/50%= non-mandatory (means that we will never see him again despite the fact that he can survive)

Razikale=  (i believe) is the Queen Dragon of the Silent grove, awakened with Maric,guarded by Yavana,who can be potentially stabbed by Alistair if he is a GW or a King.

Lusacan=Western approach dormant

8th old god=???

3 of them remains for  the achievement End of the world,I'm so excited

 

 

If Razikale and Lusacan are linked to Dirthamen and Falon'Din respectively, then we could be getting a dual Blight: these two elven gods were close comrades, so I imagine their dragon equivalents could be too. Maybe Draconis will also join in on the action and make it a three headed Blight!

[Aulis Vaara]

If Razikale and Lusacan are linked to Dirthamen and Falon'Din respectively, then we could be getting a dual Blight: these two elven gods were close comrades, so I imagine their dragon equivalents could be too. Maybe Draconis will also join in on the action and make it a three headed Blight!

 

*points at first post*

[Heimdall]

Honestly I'd be perfectly fine with the Old Gods being the same type of beings as the elven gods or the forgotten ones or something new.  But I really hate the idea of them being the elven gods.  I don't want Thedas to come down to everything being about the elves and I would like to interact with an entity with a different perspective on ancient Thedas.

[Bad King]

*points at first post*

 

I did read it, and your theory is certainly interesting and plausible *if* those two dark shapes are indeed ravens, though to me they look more like Corypheus' dark hands grasping the orb (both with four fingers and a thumb: the right hand is down with the knuckles exposed while the left hand is up with the palm exposed). Dumat is also explicitly linked to Mythal (http://dragonage.wik...ation:_Silentir) as well as Elgar'nan (as you mentioned) so it could be any of them.

 

Everything at this point regarding the nature of the gods is speculation with different bodies of evidence and different interpretations supporting different conclusions: my comment was proposing one of many potential scenarios in future games based on what I believe to be most likely (though I still expect most of the theories that I subscribe to to be proven wrong in future instalments).

[Lethaya]

If Razikale and Lusacan are linked to Dirthamen and Falon'Din respectively, then we could be getting a dual Blight: these two elven gods were close comrades, so I imagine their dragon equivalents could be too. Maybe Draconis will also join in on the action and make it a three headed Blight!

 

This, to me, is interesting just as it could be one killer setup for the finale of the series, and a great way to really tie up all of these lore-based loose ends. A big reveal with some big battles, you know?

 

Though I still think if anyone, Draconis would be Mythal, so I would hope not! XD
 

[Bad King]

Though I still think if anyone, Draconis would be Mythal, so I would hope not! XD

 

Yeah, Draconis could definitely be Mythal: the constellation resembles a serpent which is what Mythal transformed into to battle the tainted Andruil. Though Mythal = Dumat is also certainly possible.

[Lethaya]

Plus it being stricken from record, and Mythal being murdered, yep. So many things are possible, really, this is all just guesswork until Bioware actually starts confirming things. Fun guesswork, though! XD

[MACharlie1]

Yeah, Draconis could definitely be Mythal: the constellation resembles a serpent which is what Mythal transformed into to battle the tainted Andruil. Though Mythal = Dumat is also certainly possible.

But why would Draconis be struck from the records of the Old Gods?

 

This is the City of Chains heraldry. 

 

City of CHains

 

It is a symbol of rebellion given form from the Slaves when Kirkwall was under control of Teviniter. Which leads me to believe that Draconis is actually of Fen'Harel/Solas because of the whole "freedom for the slaves" thing he's got going. 

 

If the Andraste/Flemeth/Mythal holds any weight then DUMAT is Mythal. If only because Andraste was born the same year of Dumat's demise. And then the whole Mythal mosiac at the Temple...blah blah. 

[Heimdall]

But why would Draconis be struck from the records of the Old Gods?

 

This is the City of Chains heraldry. 

 

City of CHains

 

It is a symbol of rebellion given form from the Slaves when Kirkwall was under control of Teviniter. Which leads me to believe that Draconis is actually of Fen'Harel/Solas because of the whole "freedom for the slaves" thing he's got going. 

 

If the Andraste/Flemeth/Mythal holds any weight then DUMAT is Mythal. If only because Andraste was born the same year of Dumat's demise. And then the whole Mythal mosiac at the Temple...blah blah. 

Andraste's birth date is contested.

 

But Mythal being Dumat doesn't really make sense since her fate wasn't the same as that which befell the other seven members of the pantheon.

[Lethaya]

I would guess that perhaps Mythal and Elgar'nan could still be on even terms (this would assume he wasn't the one to betray her, of course), making Elgar'nan a player via Dumat and the Maker (or what Andraste claimed was the Maker, anyway), and Andraste a servant or host of Mythal? Stretching it, though, I know. XD Kinda spit balling, here.

 

The chains heraldry notion is interesting, though. Very interesting, indeed. Although, wouldn't it be a more likely representation of Andoral?

 

As for why Draconis would be struck, it could have to do with her murder or betrayal, if it and Mythal were one and the same. *shrugs*

[leaguer of one]

But why would Draconis be struck from the records of the Old Gods?

 

This is the City of Chains heraldry. 

 

City of CHains

 

It is a symbol of rebellion given form from the Slaves when Kirkwall was under control of Teviniter. Which leads me to believe that Draconis is actually of Fen'Harel/Solas because of the whole "freedom for the slaves" thing he's got going. 

 

If the Andraste/Flemeth/Mythal holds any weight then DUMAT is Mythal. If only because Andraste was born the same year of Dumat's demise. And then the whole Mythal mosiac at the Temple...blah blah. 

Wait..maybe Draconis is Solas/Fen'herld.

[Andromelek]

Wait..maybe Draconis is Solas/Fen'herld.

Fen is a Forgotten One (they created and mastered the Blight) and I think that he wake up thanks to the Saarebas playing with his mask; the Old Gods however are victims of the Blight if Old Gods=Great Dragons, then maybe Draconis was the dying dragon that Calenhad killed while Razikale would be the Queen of Dragons

[In Exile]

Honestly I'd be perfectly fine with the Old Gods being the same type of beings as the elven gods or the forgotten ones or something new.  But I really hate the idea of them being the elven gods.  I don't want Thedas to come down to everything being about the elves and I would like to interact with an entity with a different perspective on ancient Thedas.

 

Well, the elven "gods" aren't really gods if Solas is anything to go by, so it wouldn't really come down to the elves so much as it would come down to a group of megalomaniacs being really good at shapeshifting. Though it's just as plausible they're either dragon abominations (like a certain DLC boss) or the Forgotten Ones (so elven "gods", but not the ones that are worshiped). 

[madrar]

....uh, where did my mega post go? 

[Lethaya]

Right here? XD

 

Assuming that's the mega post you're looking for, of course.

[madrar]

Right here? XD

 

Assuming that's the mega post you're looking for, of course.

 

*facepalms*   Not the one, but thanks.  I just wrote up a ridiculously long reply to Aulis, but it looks like it disappeared into the ether.

 

ugh.  Not sure I have the stamina to do that again.   

[Lethaya]

Ah, apologies then. I've had that happen before, not a happy feeling at all. D:

[Aulis Vaara]

I did read it, and your theory is certainly interesting and plausible *if* those two dark shapes are indeed ravens, though to me they look more like Corypheus' dark hands grasping the orb (both with four fingers and a thumb: the right hand is down with the knuckles exposed while the left hand is up with the palm exposed). Dumat is also explicitly linked to Mythal (http://dragonage.wik...ation:_Silentir) as well as Elgar'nan (as you mentioned) so it could be any of them.

Everything at this point regarding the nature of the gods is speculation with different bodies of evidence and different interpretations supporting different conclusions: my comment was proposing one of many potential scenarios in future games based on what I believe to be most likely (though I still expect most of the theories that I subscribe to to be proven wrong in future instalments).

Hands don't have beaks or wings.

[Lethaya]

Ehhhh.

 

Spoilered for size:

Spoiler

 

Look to be fair representation of Cory's hands to me. His ridiculous, claw-tastic hands. XD

[Lumix19]

Well, the elven "gods" aren't really gods if Solas is anything to go by, so it wouldn't really come down to the elves so much as it would come down to a group of megalomaniacs being really good at shapeshifting. Though it's just as plausible they're either dragon abominations (like a certain DLC boss) or the Forgotten Ones (so elven "gods", but not the ones that are worshiped). 

I don't trust Solas very much about this matter. He, as a god himself, probably has a higher view of what a god should look like. Certainly him not considering himself a god is no great surprise is it? To the elves they were certainly gods, and I guess to us depending on your perspective.

[Aulis Vaara]

Ehhhh.

Spoilered for size:

Spoiler

Look to be fair representation of Cory's hands to me. His ridiculous, claw-tastic hands. XD

1. That horribly low res.

2. You can still clearly see one of those hands doesn't have fingers, but it does have a wing.