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[Octarin]

No, really, wait, don't "tsk", think about it, I mean it's a game about how demons spurt out of the fade and threaten to digest the world and burp it back out as darkspawn, right? Right. And, the great sins presumably are: Pride, Desire, Gluttony, Greed, Wrath and Envy. Now, we got Wrath, Envy and Pride Demons left right and center, but where are all the rest? We had Sloth, Desire and Hunger in both DA:O and DA2, so, I'm kind of wondering, where are they? 

 

So, Desire Demons: http://dragonage.wik...ki/Desire_demon Only Imshael in DA:I and it never takes the Desire Demon form.

 

Sloth Demon: http://dragonage.wik...iki/Sloth_demon Sir Does Not Appear In This Film [kudos to Monty Python style]

 

Hunger Demon: http://dragonage.wik...ki/Hunger_demon Also Sir Does Not Appear In This Film 

 

Overall, most of the most interesting demons, see here, http://dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Demon appeared back in DA:O. But I'm still wondering why, since DA:I is a demon-fest we don't see every type of demon out there, like Gaider promised in the beginning.

 

[stupid conclusion: maybe the others aren't combat oriented? or me drawing at straws...]

[Baalthazar]

I'm speculating that because BioWare had limited resources and tried to do so many different things with this game (e.g. five platforms, tons of zones, multi-player, etc.), they had to cut some corners.  This is probably one of the corners that got cut.

[Winged Silver]

I couldn't really say, but I'm somewhat hoping that the big bad demons are getting revamped. If I recall my DA lore correctly, the demon hierarchy goes Pride, Desire, Sloth, and Rage (and then there's also mention of Envy, Despair, and Fear in the WIki, though I know not their place in the order). I'm hoping that the lack of Desire and Sloth demons means they're getting elevated to a sort of 'rare super tough boss' encounter in future games, since they're considered to be pretty damn powerful (a pride demon, on the other hand, hasn't been shown mainly because I believe they're supposed to be something like the ultimate big bad of the demon world (compared to its brethren anyhow. We've seen them in form of arcane horrors)).

 

So...yeah. I'm hoping that they're being taken out of the general rabble of demons we fight to become a little more boss like. It seems more fitting to me that they would be a lot tougher to kill, since people make such a big deal about them in game (and in the past, with the proper prep and gear, they're not too insanely difficult to steamroll over).

 

Just some thoughts/hopes. It'd be cool to see them come back more badass than ever (and with some variations please for those of us who want to see male desire demons! XD)

[DarkKnightHolmes]

Probably not enough time or because Bioware couldn't think of a good way to implement them into the game.

[Brain Defect]

Probably not enough time or because Bioware couldn't think of a good way to implement them into the game.

Most likely this.

 

I would like their comeback. I want to see a male Desire Demon, goddamnit.

[Sifr]

Well...

 

Sloth Demons are by their very nature, too lazy to do anything unless it really benefits them, so why would they put the effort into leaving the Fade where it's nice and safe and very few people can get at them to kill them?

 

Same with Desire Demons. We're told they prefer to talk their way out of situations rather than fight, so it's not really in their interests to leave the Fade either when they can more safer see Thedas by possessing someone, since even if the host is slain they'll be unharmed? Besides, getting someone to agree to submit to possession and make a deal in exchange for something is pretty much their bread and butter? A Desire Demon would rather try to con someone into letting them go backstage to a concert, rather than take advantage of an unlocked door to get in?

[sleasye74]

Well...
 
Sloth Demons are by their very nature, too lazy to do anything unless it really benefits them, so why would they put the effort into leaving the Fade where it's nice and safe and very few people can get at them to kill them?
 
Same with Desire Demons. We're told they prefer to talk their way out of situations rather than fight, so it's not really in their interests to leave the Fade either when they can more safer see Thedas by possessing someone, since even if the host is slain they'll be unharmed? Besides, getting someone to agree to submit to possession and make a deal in exchange for something is pretty much their bread and butter? A Desire Demon would rather try to con someone into letting them go backstage to a concert, rather than take advantage of an unlocked door to get in?

I agree with the sloth demon part but there is so much desire going on in this game I was expecting at least a few desire demons not just one(Cory has a mad desire for god hood) in game and I agree that they rather con someone than fight(imo Alexis would have been perfect for a desire demon inclusion)

[Octarin]

Well...

 

Sloth Demons are by their very nature, too lazy to do anything unless it really benefits them, so why would they put the effort into leaving the Fade where it's nice and safe and very few people can get at them to kill them?

 

Same with Desire Demons. We're told they prefer to talk their way out of situations rather than fight, so it's not really in their interests to leave the Fade either when they can more safer see Thedas by possessing someone, since even if the host is slain they'll be unharmed? Besides, getting someone to agree to submit to possession and make a deal in exchange for something is pretty much their bread and butter? A Desire Demon would rather try to con someone into letting them go backstage to a concert, rather than take advantage of an unlocked door to get in?

 

I would definitely agree in other circumstances, but these are demons hurled out of the fade forcefully. So, they don't really have a choice. Moreso, all those eager warden all over and not even one desire demon tempted to drop in, literally speaking?

[X Equestris]

Sloth demons apparently turn into despair, as per the codex on despair demons.

[Octarin]

More's the pity.

[dsl08002]

Bioware obviosly lost them

[M_Helder]

*coughs* - bad game design - *coughs*

[TheOgre]

I at first did not consider the far more logical answers to a similar question, why the lack of female desire demons?

Limited resources or time or blah what have you. Then someone also pointed out that they removed quite a bit of special entities like the talking trees or the werewolves. Here I thought it was an attempt to make less controversial creatures to be sold at large.

My next question became, why no actual male desire demon? Imshael could have been a bit more memorable or unique.. Another logical explanation rendered was that they wanted to probably save resources by reusing all the other demons.. Peftt..

Not necessarily into males but was very curious to see bioware image of what a male desire demon looks like. Heh.

[AntiChri5]

So, did i miss the announcement where BioWare promised to feature every type of demon in every game?

[TheOgre]

So, did i miss the announcement where BioWare promised to feature every type of demon in every game?

 

Nope -- just the part where they had every single version in both prior games. DAI has some new ones if I'm not mistaken however. Someone did point out that the Fade was ripped open. Why wouldn't all types of demons be seen pouring into Thedas?

[Exaltation]

Sloth/Hunger definitely gonna be the combination of The Formless One.

[Octarin]

Nope -- just the part where they had every single version in both prior games. DAI has some new ones if I'm not mistaken however. Someone did point out that the Fade was ripped open. Why wouldn't all types of demons be seen pouring into Thedas?

 

So, did i miss the announcement where BioWare promised to feature every type of demon in every game?

 

Actually....

 

"According to David Gaider, other types of demons exist, but have yet to be shown - despair, fear, envy and remorse being some of them.[1]He mentioned that at least one new major type of demon will appear in Dragon Age: Inquisition."

 

http://dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Demon

 

http://forum.bioware...-despair-demon/

 

Second post at this thread, as a matter of fact. Although, this was a "should", not a "will".

[SofaJockey]

Time for a little CSI:BSN.

Do you remember the visit of the Canadian MP, Laurie Hawn, to the Edmonton studio in 2012?

 

I guess you're not going to tell the MP to move away from the NPC model board 

 

So, what does this tell us about what models were used, not used (or perhaps saved for a later phase) ?

because I can see a Desire Demon there...

 

(attached full size, so you can squint at the detail)

 

 

[TheOgre]

Good find as always Sofa! it reinforces somewhat the "resources" theory no? For the lack of presence of desire demons (female). Although this slightly reinforces lack of other creatures somehow people (DEFINITELY MYSELF) seem to forget about DAO, brood mothers and werewolves ectect..

[SofaJockey]

Good find as always Sofa! it reinforces somewhat the "resources" theory no? For the lack of presence of desire demons (female). Although this slightly reinforces lack of other creatures somehow people (DEFINITELY MYSELF) seem to forget about DAO, brood mothers and werewolves ectect..

 

On the chart there are these 'P' references.

Unmarked may be certain inclusion.

P3 may be 'priority 3' - the Despar Demon is marked as such.

Others marked 'P4' including the Desire Demon, may be 'Priority 4' as are a range of unseen Tevinter creatures.

 

Wild conjecture I know.

 

Oh, and there seems to be a note on the board that says 'No Chickens', which explains a lot 

[Lumix19]

Why do we assume that the Sloth and Hunger demons weren't the Shades that we see so often in Inquisition? Seems likely to me. Desire demons I think are far more subtle, we see hints that they're around (anybody remember the tower near Sahrnia, I think, where somebody leaves a journal talking about their love for something that sounds suspiciously like a desire demon?) but they're too clever to reveal themselves so openly.

[X Equestris]

Why do we assume that the Sloth and Hunger demons weren't the Shades that we see so often in Inquisition? Seems likely to me. Desire demons I think are far more subtle, we see hints that they're around (anybody remember the tower near Sahrnia, I think, where somebody leaves a journal talking about their love for something that sounds suspiciously like a desire demon?) but they're too clever to reveal themselves so openly.

Yeah, I was going through the Emprise again last night and stumbled on that journal. I think we can safely say that they're around, just more subtle than the other sorts of demons.

[Pondering Drifter]

To be fair, I think we should look at it as what new demon models made it into the game. The hunger and sloth model made it into the game as the shade, and we did get new models in the form of terror, fear, envy, and despair. But we did lose the desire demon. Perhaps we could see it in a future dlc one day. I would find it amusing if the a desire demon changed its form from male to female in trying to appeal to our inquisitor's desires.

 

As for other enemies I would like to see a comeback, if we ever get a deep roads expansion I could see golems and ogres making a return. The developers could use either the behemoth or giant frame as a starting point for developing their model. I would also like to see the dark spawn faction fleshed out more like the other major factions. If the development team did that it could be a welcomed edition to both single player and multiplayer.

[Octarin]

I wonder if the exclusion of so many of the previous models had anything to do with the change of game engine.