Since I haven't seen any thread particularity talking about this game, I decided to make one myself. Anyways, on the subject at hand, does anyone else here play it besides me? It seems it has flown under everyone's radar even though it's a really good game.
I played it a about a week ago. I put about 3 hours into though and went to other games, and I'm only level 7 I think so I'm still pretty new to it. But I like it and the combat and flow is good. I think I'll probably log back on this weekend and get some more hours behind it.
Space ninjas are awesome.
I played it a about a week ago. I put about 3 hours into though and went to other games, and I'm only level 7 I think so I'm still pretty new to it. But I like it and the combat and flow is good. I think I'll probably log back on this weekend and get some more hours behind it.
Space ninjas are awesome.
Yes, they are.
I played it a while ago.
The game was fun for a little bit, but ended up feeling pretty repetitive and I moved on to other games.
I played it a while ago.
The game was fun for a little bit, but ended up feeling pretty repetitive and I moved on to other games.
All games are repetitive though when you play them. I just like the fact there is a game like ME3 on ps4 which I can play. There are not enough 3rd person space shooter MMOs out there atm.
yes. i was playing it for some time. now login only for events.
warframs is hollow, pointless game. there is no goal, no challenge, no purpose. basically the only good thing in this game is art design.
warfame is all about grind and grind alone. also this product is full of bugs, old and new. althoug game have some interesting mechanics by design, implementation of these mechanics are bad. such as damage 2.0, melee 2.0, pvp 2.0, UI 2.0, scaling mechanics.
also game uses tiers. which means there is a high tier of weapons and frames, and there is a low tier of weapons and frames. which means if you like... for exampe Ember, you can't actually play with her against high level mobs. because you can't do anything to them.
You can't tank in warfame, you can't heal in warfame. the only way to play this game on high level - like Trials for example, is not to take damage.
Also game is full with mods which make your frame and weapons OP. And that means that we as players do not have too much options on how to build our weapons and frames.
Warfame is 5/10. Mediocre game. Tedious, repetitive. Grindfest without purpose. Game is lacking content. Game is lacking decent mechanics.
Yes, it has grind in it, but what MMO doesn't? Grind is part of all games.The goal is to have fun. Not everything has to be about min/maxing. If you wanted to bring ember in, you can. She can still do damage and kill things.
The holy trinity of dps, heal, tank isn't needed for a shooter game. The point of the game is to dodge and kill stuff with fun combat mechanics. The mods are useful. There is no difference between needing this gem and that ring in other MMOs and requiring certain mods to be useful in this one.
All in all, I say it's a 8/10. Could improve a couple things, but the combat more then makes up for its flaws.
All games are repetitive though when you play them. I just like the fact there is a game like ME3 on ps4 which I can play. There are not enough 3rd person space shooter MMOs out there atm.
Saying it's repetitive is easier than "It felt like playing the same 20 minutes over and over and I got bored of it in the end". Mass Effect 3 was able to keep things more fresh by having really good variety in kits that didn't require large grinds to unlock.
Also, it's not a MMO when games have only 4 people in them. Warframe is a lobby based game co-op game, just like Mass Effect 3 MP was.
Saying it's repetitive is easier than "It felt like playing the same 20 minutes over and over and I got bored of it in the end". Mass Effect 3 was able to keep things more fresh by having really good variety in kits that didn't require large grinds to unlock.
Also, it's not a MMO when games have only 4 people in them. Warframe is a lobby based game co-op game, just like Mass Effect 3 MP was.
MMO as in more then one person playing. There have been debates on what an MMO is for a long time now. I just stick with that definition. Also, ME3 MP required tons more grinding then Warframe. Look at the math involved to get a full max 10 blackwidow or any other weapon through the chests.
Yes, it has grind in it, but what MMO doesn't? Grind is part of all games.
yes. but you see there should be some kind of purpose or progression. like with starting gear you go to your first dungeon in order to get your T1 epic. Once you get it - you can go to the next dungeon for T2 epic etc.
Warframe do not have such progression, as result grind is pointless. You grind just because you grind. And this is just stupid.
The point of the game is to dodge and kill stuff with fun combat mechanics.
these are the words of the person who never played high level of the warfame. high level which is not balanced by damage reduction and damage output of the mobs. Mobs will one shot you, unless you render them harmless by CC powers. You don't dodge, you don't block. You just make mobs harmless and slaughter them. You don't even have to move in order to do that.
So if i can't tank and if i can't heal - why i have frames like Rhino, Chroma or Trinity* or Oberon? What is the purpose of these frames?
The mods are useful.
oh you don't say. but i remeber the time when i was arguing what is better Warp Magazine or Fast Hands for my gun. Now, i don't bother, because mods like Warp Magazine or Fast Hands are simply obsolete. Because i use +damage, + damage and another + damage mod. There is no choice of customization at all.
*Remark about Trinity. One may say "but uncle Althix, Trinity can Energy Vampire things". But i have 400 energy restores in my pocket - and i can use them all during a single mission. So Trinity is just as useless, unless you wanna play with exploiting self damage system in order to get 99.9% damage reduction.
Even ME3MP was providing players with more teamwork, challenge and fun (even on platinum) than a Warframe as stand alone product.
MMO as in more then one person playing. There have been debates on what an MMO is for a long time now. I just stick with that definition. Also, ME3 MP required tons more grinding then Warframe. Look at the math involved to get a full max 10 blackwidow or any other weapon through the chests.
MP means more than one person playing, not MMO. There's nothing massive about 4 players in a game.
Getting all URs to X took a long time. I'm not going to get into the math of max manifest vs 100% in Warfame, but both require large investments of time.
However, just unlocking everything didn't require a great deal of time, especially for the kits themselves which are all gold cards except one. Plus, you start with 6 unique kits rather than just 1 in Warframe.
By the time I got bored of a kit in Mass Effect, I still had 5 others I hadn't played yet and had unlocked multiple characters. By the time I got bored of a kit in Warframe I still hadn't unlocked my second warframe.
no. why?
Halo is more like NA thing i believe.
yes. but you see there should be some kind of purpose or progression. like with starting gear you go to your first dungeon in order to get your T1 epic. Once you get it - you can go to the next dungeon for T2 epic etc.Warframe do not have such progression, as result grind is pointless. You grind just because you grind. And this is just stupid.
I disagree. I like the fact I can just buy my way to the top with plat since doing the tier system takes too long. There doesn't always have to be a point when the combat of it is fun enough. Tier system would bring the game down.
these are the words of the person who never played high level of the warfame. high level which is not balanced by damage reduction and damage output of the mobs. Mobs will one shot you, unless you render them harmless by CC powers. You don't dodge, you don't block. You just make mobs harmless and slaughter them. You don't even have to move in order to do that.
So if i can't tank and if i can't heal - why i have frames like Rhino, Chroma or Trinity* or Oberon? What is the purpose of these frames?
I have played a couple t4s. Not the extent of 2 hour runs which I find pointless, but a decent amount I stayed in. For the purpose of Rhino, Trinity, etc... the point of them is for personal preference. If you like using Trinity's blessing, you take her and use it. Not everything has to be forced based. You play the frame you want because you like it. You don't do it because of the so called holy trinity. It's a space shooter and not some final fantasy.(which I do play FF14 btw)
oh you don't say. but i remeber the time when i was arguing what is better Warp Magazine or Fast Hands for my gun. Now, i don't bother, because mods like Warp Magazine or Fast Hands are simply obsolete. Because i use +damage, + damage and another + damage mod. There is no choice of customization at all.
Some guns require fast hands and the like. I don't see a problem with it though since guns are supposed to do a lot of damage. That part doesn't bug me. Just like all archers requiring dex to be good.
*Remark about Trinity. One may say "but uncle Althix, Trinity can Energy Vampire things". But i have 400 energy restores in my pocket - and i can use them all during a single mission. So Trinity is just as useless, unless you wanna play with exploiting self damage system in order to get 99.9% damage reduction.
They changed trinity. EV is much better now and blessing isn't as strong.
Even ME3MP was providing players with more teamwork, challenge and fun (even on platinum) than a Warframe as stand alone product.
That was my only gripe with ME3 MP. It required too much tram work. I like being able to solo when I want too easily.
MP means more than one person playing, not MMO. There's nothing massive about 4 players in a game.
That is a debate for another time. Like I said, it ahs been going on awhile now.
Getting all URs to X took a long time. I'm not going to get into the math of max manifest vs 100% in Warfame, but both require large investments of time.
Yes that it true, but ME3 MP took a lot more. More in second half.
However, just unlocking everything didn't require a great deal of time, especially for the kits themselves which are all gold cards except one. Plus, you start with 6 unique kits rather than just 1 in Warframe.
I disagree. I am not 100 hours in, and I have almost everything in Warframe. As for ME3 MP, I know it's more then 100 hours, and I even haven't touched the surface to max manifest.
By the time I got bored of a kit in Mass Effect, I still had 5 others I hadn't played yet and had unlocked multiple characters. By the time I got bored of a kit in Warframe I still hadn't unlocked my second warframe.
The starter frames are a little boring I'll admit, but it does get better. I only really played HMI and the other infiltrators in ME3 MP. The engineers too. All the others I didn't care for much.
I disagree. I like the fact I can just buy my way to the top with plat since doing the tier system takes too long. There doesn't always have to be a point when the combat of it is fun enough. Tier system would bring the game down.
it's not the point. the point is - that you don't have a purpose for all that grind.
I have played a couple t4s. Not the extent of 2 hour runs which I find pointless, but a decent amount I stayed in. For the purpose of Rhino, Trinity, etc... the point of them is for personal preference. If you like using Trinity's blessing, you take her and use it. Not everything has to be forced based. You play the frame you want because you like it. You don't do it because of the so called holy trinity. It's a space shooter and not some final fantasy.(which I do play FF14 btw)
*sigh* it's not about "holy trinity". It's about the fact that you MUST have a frame which will allow you to carry the mission from very start to 3h40m mark. And no you can't move freely during these missions, because you will be killed as soon as you leave save zone. Save zone provided by specific frames. And these frames are not tanks or healers.
For example ME3MP i was playing with vanilla human kits. Why? Because i could and because they are awesome. In the warframe you have to use let say Loki, Vauban, Nekros, Nova. Basically you have to use frames which will allow you to survive the encounter. And you may not like this particular frame.
Some guns require fast hands and the like.
name it. name a gun in which you will replace, for example, heavy caliber for fast hands.
They changed trinity. EV is much better now and blessing isn't as strong.
*sigh* again. slowly.
- I can have 400 energy restores on my frame (that makes 1600 in a party) all the time. And i can use these restores without limit, when i want. Which makes EV simply useless.
- Blessing. as i said you can exploit your way to 99.9% damage reduction, by inflicting damage to yourself. But wait, i don't take damage! so what is the point in doing all that?
That is a debate for another time. Like I said, it ahs been going on awhile now.
Yes that it true, but ME3 MP took a lot more. More in second half.
I disagree. I am not 100 hours in, and I have almost everything in Warframe. As for ME3 MP, I know it's more then 100 hours, and I even haven't touched the surface to max manifest.
The starter frames are a little boring I'll admit, but it does get better. I only really played HMI and the other infiltrators in ME3 MP. The engineers too. All the others I didn't care for much.
In either case, I don't acknowledge either Mass Effect 3 or Warframe as a MMO =P
I would actually dispute that Warframe takes less time even considering max manifest, at least as of the last time I played the game. They might have reduced the time it takes to unlock things, I don't know.
I kept at it because it was a co-op game for me and my girlfriend to play together and ended up with 90 hours total according to Steam before we both got bored of it.
While I have more than just the starter frames, I don't even own half of the total frames after that amount of time.
it's not the point. the point is - that you don't have a purpose for all that grind.
Says who? There is no law that says it needs a purpose. As long as it's fun, I couldn't care less.
*sigh* it's not about "holy trinity". It's about the fact that you MUST have a frame which will allow you to carry the mission from very start to 3h40m mark. And no you can't move freely during these missions, because you will be killed as soon as you leave save zone. Save zone provided by specific frames. And these frames are not tanks or healers.
For example ME3MP i was playing with vanilla human kits. Why? Because i could and because they are awesome. In the warframe you have to use let say Loki, Vauban, Nekros, Nova. Basically you have to use frames which will allow you to survive the encounter. And you may not like this particular frame.
I'll state this once. You don't have to go that far in. It's only a goal because of people's egos to make it that far. Leaving at an hour is just as end game as a pointless 4 hour mark for peoples * look at me* ability. So you don't need those kits at all. You are only forcing yourself to use stuff you don't like because people think staying that long is *cool*. It's not required though.
Edit: I seem to be having trouble quoting stuff today. Oh wells.
name it. name a gun in which you will replace, for example, heavy caliber for fast hands./quote]
Supra. You have to remove a crit mod for it.
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*sigh* again. slowly.
- I can have 400 energy restores on my frame (that makes 1600 in a party) all the time. And i can use these restores without limit, when i want. Which makes EV simply useless.
- Blessing. as i said you can exploit your way to 99.9% damage reduction, by inflicting damage to yourself. But wait, i don't take damage! so what is the point in doing all that?
Not everyone has that many restores though, so that is more your problem then anyone then the average player. The average player uses EV a lot because it's useful. As for the exploit, I don't think it's there anymore, but damage is still being taken because not everyone goes hardcore. Most leave at 1hr.
In either case, I don't acknowledge either Mass Effect 3 or Warframe as a MMO =P
I would actually dispute that Warframe takes less time even considering max manifest, at least as of the last time I played the game. They might have reduced the time it takes to unlock things, I don't know.
I kept at it because it was a co-op game for me and my girlfriend to play together and ended up with 90 hours total according to Steam before we both got bored of it.
While I have more than just the starter frames, I don't even own half of the total frames after that amount of time.
That's my point. Warframe doesn't require as much time to get all the good stuff as compared to ME3 MP.
That's my point. Warframe doesn't require as much time to get all the good stuff as compared to ME3 MP.
and I'm saying that from what I've played of the game, I would disagree with that.
and I'm saying that from what I've played of the game, I would disagree with that.
Ah, I see. My bad. I have a massive headache atm, so I misinterpreted what you wrote. I am at 200hours in ME3 MP, and I still haven't unlocked the Javelin. In Warframe, I almost own all the weapons, and they are all formaed out too for max damage. I also own almost every warframe too while I still need like 5 from ME3 MP. The RNG for that game sucks.
It's not required though.
case and point. there is no challenge, there is artificial difficulty. i want to be challenged by a pve game.
Supra.
really? You will throw away +165% of damage for a faster reload? oh well. You know it just doesn't make sense right? You won't be able to catch up all that damage lost with faster reload.
Not everyone has that many restores though
Really? why not? You see, back in U7 i used to play trinity a lot. Because she was holding team together. Energy restore was a must, because energy restoring artifacts were not enough, and drop chance of energy orbs was not enough.
Now - i can have more energy than trinity can provide in instant.
So yes, Warframe is a flawed game on many levels. And what is more important game is not fun.
case and point. there is not challenge, there is artificial difficulty. i want to be challenged by a pve game.
I don't care for a challenge as long as I am having fun. Challenge=/ fun for me. The artificial difficulty works for me.
really? You will throw away +165% of damage for a faster reload? oh well. You know it just doesn't make sense right? You won't be able to catch up all that damage lost with faster reload.
No. I said i would through away a crit mod like point strike since the crit on it stinks anways. Serration, heavy caliber, split chamber, fast hands, 2 elemental mods, and probably shred.
Really? why not? You see, back in U7 i used to play trinity a lot. Because she was holding team together. Energy restore was a must, because energy restoring artifacts were not enough, and drop chance of energy orbs was not enough.
Now - i can have more energy than trinity can provide in instant.
Things have changed. It's not needed anymore, or the people you played with were too picky. Energy drops galore now. Not to mention very few will spend that much credits and resources when they can spend it on something better.
So yes, Warframe is a flawed game on many levels. And what is more important game is not fun.
Perhaps for you then since you are wanting it to be something it is not. I think it's a blast to play since they threw away min/maxing for fun instead.
Ah, I see. My bad. I have a massive headache atm, so I misinterpreted what you wrote. I am at 200hours in ME3 MP, and I still haven't unlocked the Javelin. In Warframe, I almost own all the weapons, and they are all formaed out too for max damage. I also own almost every warframe too while I still need like 5 from ME3 MP. The RNG for that game sucks.
Well as I said it's been a while since I played the game, so they might have changed something. All I know is that I was very far away from maxing out unlocks in Warframe with 90 hours played. I imagine I'm even further now since they've probably been adding content while I wasn't playing.
Although for me variety is a big deal. Getting a Javelin I adds to variety of my weapons, but getting Javelin II to X doesn't. It just makes the numbers slightly better. So what I was more getting at is that it took me a long time to unlock things in Warframe but not as much in Mass Effect 3 even if A. you don't have control over what unlocks and B. upgrading URs to max is a large grind itself.
Although the RNG does suck for the game and should be revamped for the next one to limit how badly it can screw you over.
Perhaps for you then since you are wanting it to be something it is not. I think it's a blast to play since they threw away min/maxing for fun instead.
Oh, i was observing WF for more than two years now since U2 when i received CBT invite. And yes Warframe is not the game it could have been. It's much worse.
Oh btw. Is this "fun" includes fighting level 150 mobs on a tactical alert? Is this fun includes spamm of Prism or Radial disarm on Trial? mm?
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