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[TheRevanchist]

This is the biggest choice in the game to me, personally. Thanks to meta game we know him being a good war leader makes basically no difference to the current crisis. We also know he fully intends on invading their neighbors, due to his own admission of being basically a warmonger. You can use the War Table to spare Ferelden from his Expansionist plans, but given how that's not a choice given in DA Keep I don't see how that would import in the future. Never the less if you do that 100% of his wrath will fall upon Nevara, which could not possibly handle the power of a united Orlaisin military. Markus is old and on the way out, and a power struggle is sure to occur after he dies. Gaspard would likely invade then, Nevara will be ground into dust in very short order. Would Gaspard continue north into The Anderfells? Antiva? Tevinter? Is there any end in sight for him? or will be continue to fight until either Orlais or his enemies are pounded into submission? Would he choose to break the Treaty and invade Ferelden regardless? I cannot see the Inquisition having the power to temper his clear ambitions of conquest. Sure we are powerful, but enough to fight Orlais of all things? Should that happen it is likely The Divine would side with us, given that she was your friend. But would Gaspard even care what the Divine thinks? if he ignores the Divine, the Nobles would likely turn on him even more, maybe even hire The House of Repose or The Crows to remove him. But surely he would expect such an action and be ready for it. As for Briala ruling through Gaspard, that is just as stupid imo. Briala is a moron whose plan does not go beyond "let everyone kill each other and screw the consequences, because elves she herself is throwing under the bus for her own advancement." 

 

I've seen lots of people here talking about picking Gaspard, and I cannot imagine why that is the case. Many seem to think all it takes is The Inquisition to send him a kindly worded letter telling him no, or else. I highly doubt it is as simple as that, So really, why do some of you pick Gaspard? What did Nevara ever do to you to deserve to be crushed by Gaspard huh?? 

 

 

[zambingo]

I wouldn't underestimate Nervarra. Their King is weakened, but invading them would surely just result in the invader being trounced by an army of zombies, then when your forces die they turn on you too.

I dislike Gaspard being offed, but I equally dislike supporting him. Kinda wish Josie could have just figured out a way to elevate a fourth choice... maybe Fairbanks as Emperor Robin Hood. XD

[TheRevanchist]

If Neverran politics are as bad as Fereldens, they will keep fighting each other regardless of Gaspards invasion. Even the Blight did not unite Ferelden. You had to drag the nobles by the hair to stop killing each other. if he chooses to wait for the power vacuum I have a hard time seeing them defeating Orlais, zombies or no. "Orlais keeps Tevinter at bay". Not Nevarra, Orlais.

[goofyomnivore]

I thought Gaspard only wanted war with Tevinter or Ferelden. For what it is worth Nevarra apparently held its own versus Orlais in their last war.

 

I usually pick Celene + Briala getting back together, so I don't know much about Gaspard. I have him executed to immediately end the civil war. I think all three are terrible people. The only reason I'd support Gaspard is if I was an Orelsian noble andrastian and I wanted to conquer Ferelden for the glory of Orlais, and conquer Tevinter for the Chantry.

[TheRevanchist]

I thought Gaspard only wanted war with Tevinter or Ferelden. For what it is worth Nevarra apparently held its own versus Orlais in their last war.

 

I usually pick Celene + Briala getting back together, so I don't know much about Gaspard. I have him executed to immediately end the civil war. I think all three are terrible people. The only reason I'd support Gaspard is if I was an Orelsian noble andrastian and I wanted to conquer Ferelden for the glory of Orlais, and conquer Tevinter for the Chantry.

 

He believes in Conquest, in general terms. Peace is for the weak. He is an Expansionist, and Nevarra stands between him and Tevinter. 

[Lumix19]

I thought Gaspard only wanted war with Tevinter or Ferelden. For what it is worth Nevarra apparently held its own versus Orlais in their last war.

 

I usually pick Celene + Briala getting back together, so I don't know much about Gaspard. I have him executed to immediately end the civil war. I think all three are terrible people. The only reason I'd support Gaspard is if I was an Orelsian noble andrastian and I wanted to conquer Ferelden for the glory of Orlais, and conquer Tevinter for the Chantry.

I doubt Gaspard could take on Tevinter, I imagine Nevarra would stab him in the back the moment he tried. It seems to me there's a sort of stalemate between the three powers.

[The Baconer]

What did Nevara ever do to you to deserve to be crushed by Gaspard huh?? 

 

Gaspard can't do **** to Nevarra. He won't even be alive by the time Orlais recovers from the Civil War and Corypheus.

[TheRevanchist]

Gaspard can't do **** to Nevarra. He won't even be alive by the time Orlais recovers from the Civil War and Corypheus.

 

What makes you so sure of that? because they won 1 time they suddenly can't ever be defeated again by the country who is considered the primary super power?

[goofyomnivore]

I could see him conquering post Blight/Breach Ferelden despite the Civil War/Breach unless other nations stepped in to protect Ferelden. Nevarra or Tevinter wouldn't be feasible tho unless he got considerable support from other nations.

[The Baconer]

What makes you so sure of that? because they won 1 time they suddenly can't ever be defeated again by the country who is considered the primary super power?

 

It seems that Primary Super Power doesn't feel very confident since they haven't bothered trying to take back the one town they lost.

 

Also, Orlais is just coming out of a Civil War, along with the campaign against Corypheus which caused additional damage.

[TheRevanchist]

It seems that Primary Super Power doesn't feel very confident since they haven't bothered trying to take back the one town they lost.

 

Also, Orlais is just coming out of a Civil War, along with the campaign against Corypheus which caused additional damage.

 

They haven't tried because Celene has been avoiding wars as much as possible, making peace agreements and focusing on internal issues. It has nothing to do with the fact they are incapable. In fact no other country is more capable, Civil War or no.

[Ashaantha]

I chose Gaspard because not only did he seem a better military choice for the current situation, but he was also more then happy to have peace with Ferelden and focus all his attention on Tevinter (war table operation Delicate Negotiations i think), it is said often in the game that Orlais is the only thing holding Tevinter at bay and honestly Nevarra never occurred to me actually when making the decision so I can't comment on that part.

[TheRevanchist]

I chose Gaspard because not only did he seem a better military choice for the current situation, but he was also more then happy to have peace with Ferelden and focus all his attention on Tevinter (war table operation Delicate Negotiations i think), it is said often in the game that Orlais is the only thing holding Tevinter at bay and honestly Nevarra never occurred to me actually when making the decision so I can't comment on that part.

 

I suspected this might be the case when people made this decision. But if you look at the map, I don't believe Orlais has a direct border with Tevinter, Nevarra is between them. Of course I guess some people wouldn't bother to remember that, as Maps can be boring. I'm just weird that way with Maps I guess.

[TexasToast712]

I had no idea what I was doing when I played the wicked hearts mission. I ended up supporting Celene and exiling Gaspard.

[goofyomnivore]

I suspected this might be the case when people made this decision. But if you look at the map, I don't believe Orlais has a direct border with Tevinter, Nevarra is between them. Of course I guess some people wouldn't bother to remember that, as Maps can be boring. I'm just weird that way with Maps I guess.

I would imagine if Nevarra was attacked or forced to do anything by Orlais the other nations would come to their aid. An empowered bully is bad for all the other little guys.

 

As much as Orlais hates Tevinter I bet they would hate the Qunari even more. I don't see Orlais ever making any meaningful progress towards Tevinter. Ferelden on the other hand might be screwed.

[Ashaantha]

I suspected this might be the case when people made this decision. But if you look at the map, I don't believe Orlais has a direct border with Tevinter, Nevarra is between them. Of course I guess some people wouldn't bother to remember that, as Maps can be boring. I'm just weird that way with Maps I guess.

The war table map in DAI only shows orlais and ferelden, and part of the Marches. I'm one of those people who don't go and google for the maps that show the entire continent in the middle of playing. At least I'm honest

 

Thankyou for bringing the Nevarra point up in this thread though, much appreciated for the little extra information.

[Daerog]

I have more respect for Gaspard than Celene. However, my Inquisitor does not know what I know.

 

So, I tend to have the three end up working together. Celene still in power, Gaspard still a threat to that power but allowing Celene to rule for now, and Briala just sticks around or something....

 

Always enjoy that scene where my Inquisitor puts all three in their place and cows them to work together.

[NextGenCowboy]

What I don't understand is if Ferelden supposedly smells like "wet dog" to Orlesians and the rest of the world, why in the hell would Gaspard want to set foot in it much less invade it?

Pride issues, tactical advantage (forward staging bases for both the Free Marches, and possible invasion of the Qun), more land, money, greater power, the usual stuff.

 

On a personal level, I like Gaspard much more than I think Celine or Briala. That said, I can't allow him to take power, and put everyone else at risk by following a war up with a civil war, and then another war.

 

Putting Fairbanks in control is a brilliant notion, and given the option, I'd do that in a heatbeat. I highly doubt he'd survive Orlais' political game, but I'm sure the Inquisition could spare a couple well-trained Assassins and some food-testers for the guy.

[Lumix19]

I suspected this might be the case when people made this decision. But if you look at the map, I don't believe Orlais has a direct border with Tevinter, Nevarra is between them. Of course I guess some people wouldn't bother to remember that, as Maps can be boring. I'm just weird that way with Maps I guess.

This map seems to indicate they do:

 

 

Edit: I just realised this map is kinda wrong since it doesn't note that Perendale was seized by Nevarra.

[Lumix19]

What I don't understand is if Ferelden supposedly smells like "wet dog" to Orlesians and the rest of the world, why in the hell would Gaspard want to set foot in it much less invade it?

Gaspard wants it because he needs to secure his flank whilst he fends off Nevarran aggression. If I remember correctly during the Ferelden rebellion Nevarra invaded and captured much of their northern territory (see this), some of which Orlais never got back (like Perendale). The fear is that if Orlais engages Nevarra Ferelden would stab them in the back and they'd be fighting a war on two fronts (which failed last time). So Gaspard wants to conquer it and Celene wants to make peace with Ferelden because she believes (rightly in my opinion) that it would be too difficult to conquer Ferelden and fend off Nevarran aggression. I think the resources Orlais would have to spend both in taking Ferelden and in holding it would make them exposed (personally it seems like a repeat of history to me). If she makes an alliance with Ferelden though she could possibly call upon their aid if necessary against the Nevarrans, she certainly doesn't have to worry about them attacking her which seems to be the primary goal.

[TheRevanchist]

This is the map I've been using, because as you said, Nevarra captured Perendale. 

 

[Lumix19]

This is the map I've been using, because as you said, Nevarra captured Perendale.

 

-snip-

This is better. But why is Andoral's Reach noted as part of Nevarra? Shouldn't it be part of Orlais?

[TheRevanchist]

Gaspard wants it because he needs to secure his flank whilst he fends off Nevarran aggression. If I remember correctly during the Ferelden rebellion Nevarra invaded and captured much of their northern territory (see this), some of which Orlais never got back (like Perendale). The fear is that if Orlais engages Nevarra Ferelden would stab them in the back and they'd be fighting a war on two fronts (which failed last time). So Gaspard wants to conquer it and Celene wants to make peace with Ferelden because she believes (rightly in my opinion) that it would be too difficult to conquer Ferelden and fend off Nevarran aggression. I think the resources Orlais would have to spend both in taking Ferelden and in holding it would make them exposed (personally it seems like a repeat of history to me). If she makes an alliance with Ferelden though she could possibly call upon their aid if necessary against the Nevarrans, she certainly doesn't have to worry about them attacking her which seems to be the primary goal.

 

Well as I said, you can use that War Table mission to sign a peace with Ferelden even with Gaspard on the throne, and the epilogue even acknowledges the fact that it happened. It makes it clear he can safely focus on his Northern borders. Which is, entirely, Nevarra.  

[TheRevanchist]

This is better. But why is Andoral's Reach noted as part of Nevarra? Shouldn't it be part of Orlais?

 

The place is technically abandoned. So Orlais has no real presence up there. That is why the Mages met there right? So since we don't know for sure Nevarra has no people there, we can call that the No Man's Land. Eaither way, he's not getting to Tevinter without going through someone else.