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[TheRevanchist]

The epilogue confirms that she pushes through reforms that improve the lives of Orlesian elves. She's ruthless and ambitious, but doesn't ignore the plight of the city elves. Through this ending, Gaspard is far more controllable thanks to his decline in popularity amongst some of the nobles and the threat of Briala (who retains control of the eluvian network) and her alliance with the Inquisition.

 

Yes, she was really looking out for that poor elf girl she sent to die because she knew her naughty secret about Celene. Truly her heart bleeds for their plight.

[Bad King]

Yes, she was really looking out for that poor elf girl she sent to die because she knew her naughty secret about Celene. Truly her heart bleeds for their plight.

 

This is Orlais we're talking about - everyone at the top of the food chain is ruthless and ambitious: Celene (who I assume you support) waded through rivers of blood to reach her throne and hold it. But they all nevertheless have a vision of what the Empire should be that they strive to fulfil, and given the chance, Briala appears to have been successful in achieving her vision of improved elven rights.

[TheRevanchist]

I don't "support" any of them. Sadly one must be chosen. Celene, alone, is imo the lesser evil.

[Master Warder Z_]

Somewhat off topic but given the herp de derp on elven rights.

Elves aren't and shouldn't be treated as people.

At best they can be a somewhat viable labor source when they aren't summoning demons or hyping on their own ego.

Their a distant, inferior cousin of humanity.

Like a chimpanzee compared to man.

Honestly they to me aren't even useful enough to enslave.

There aren't enough of them per nation for it to be cost effective.

Their dead end genome should just do as nature obviously wants and die.

[Archdemon_Urthemiel]

Somewhat off topic but given the herp de derp on elven rights.

Elves aren't and shouldn't be treated as people.

At best they can be a somewhat viable labor source when they aren't summoning demons or hyping on their own ego.

Their a distant, inferior cousin of humanity.

Like a chimpanzee compared to man.

Honestly they to me aren't even useful enough to enslave.

There aren't enough of them per nation for it to be cost effective.

Their dead end genome should just do as nature obviously wants and die.

Wat? Is this trolling?

[Master Warder Z_]

I don't "support" any of them. Sadly one must be chosen. Celene, alone, is imo the lesser evil.

But she's so weak!

[Master Warder Z_]

Wat? Is this trolling?

We need to chat more if you think that.

[TheRevanchist]

But she's so weak!

 

So long as she pursues Peace for Orlais she has my support. Thedas has had enough chaos for 1 century as it is. Sadly there is much more to come because we're not even halfway through the Dragon Age.

[Master Warder Z_]

So long as she pursues Peace for Orlais she has my support. Thedas has had enough chaos for 1 century as it is.

Actually if we by our own standard as a reference.

Two civil wars, a rebellion, a blight, a mage uprising and a Qunari attack isn't anything.

Hell our own reality had more conflict then that in the time period of 1972-74

For 40 plus years?

Thedas is doing great.

[Bad King]

We need to chat more if you think that.

 

[Master Warder Z_]

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They obviously are unaware of my stance on a great many things if their unaware of such a simple thing as elven rights.

But I take it the picture was done for comedic effect rather then anything else?

It seems inaccurate.

[Daerog]

Their due for their own civil war fairly soon.

 

That's starting to be the norm in Thedas it seems...

 

Orlais may have a second civil war or at least internal strife unless Gaspard or Celene declares an official heir... Fereldan at least has Fergus.

 

Stable dynasties are too boring, I suppose.

[Daerog]

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They obviously are unaware of my stance on a great many things if their unaware of such a simple thing as elven rights.

But I take it the picture was done for comedic effect rather then anything else?

It seems inaccurate.

 

Those elf threads and mage vs. Templar threads were great... at least the earlier ones, it did get really repetitive after a while...

[KaiserShep]

Somewhat off topic but given the herp de derp on elven rights.

Elves aren't and shouldn't be treated as people.

At best they can be a somewhat viable labor source when they aren't summoning demons or hyping on their own ego.

Their a distant, inferior cousin of humanity.

Like a chimpanzee compared to man.

Honestly they to me aren't even useful enough to enslave.

There aren't enough of them per nation for it to be cost effective.

Their dead end genome should just do as nature obviously wants and die.

Well that's...something.

[Master Warder Z_]

Those elf threads and mage vs. Templar threads were great... at least the earlier ones, it did get really repetitive after a while...

Alas no one changes camps and compromise is non existent in a faceless vacuum.

Still I like to think I provided rational and sound arguments.

[Master Warder Z_]

Well that's...something.

It certainly is!

[Don Lionheart]

I could see him conquering post Blight/Breach Ferelden despite the Civil War/Breach unless other nations stepped in to protect Ferelden. Nevarra or Tevinter wouldn't be feasible tho unless he got considerable support from other nations.

 

I don't think that Ferelden would need protection from Orlais.  Orlais may be powerful, but don't forget that they managed to kick them out once.  They were occupied for something like 80 years before doing so, but they did it!  The thing with Ferelden is, no matter who you put on the throne in DA:O, you basically get a strong leader.  The weakest possibility is a softened Alistair, which doesn't seem to have an impact on what happens in the country to any noticeable effect.  Sure, Ferelden is still weak from the Blight, but it has been 10 years and that's a lot of time for a whole new crop of soldiers to have been recruited and trained.  The way I see it, Orlais trying to conquer Ferelden would  give Orlais a challenge no matter what.  Plus, for me personally, Loghain was a Warden and still alive, so the Alistair/Anora Ferelden could call him back for help if they needed it.  Not to mention that all of this is based on choosing Gaspard, which I did not do (I'm a Celene/Briala reunited person, but that's because I read the books), so I don't need to worry about this, haha.  I like Gaspard as a person, and I wish that I could have had him imprisoned and reunited Celene and Briala, but I wanted them together more than him alive.

[DuskWanderer]

Emperor Gaspard is the best ideally, particularly since you can make peace with Ferelden.

 

But honesty, I prefer a three-way truce. They all deserve each other.

[Master Warder Z_]

Because theirs was a healthy relationship.

Heh I don't see it.

...honestly Gaspard is doing her a favor calling for her execution.

Briala can die knowing a absolute of the word.

Human nature is immutable.

Despite her terrorism and spying, all her murdering and plotting.

She still loses.

The inferior are crushed beneath the boot of the mighty.

[The Baconer]

The line breaks are real.

[Jaison1986]

Somewhat off topic but given the herp de derp on elven rights.

Elves aren't and shouldn't be treated as people.

At best they can be a somewhat viable labor source when they aren't summoning demons or hyping on their own ego.

Their a distant, inferior cousin of humanity.

Like a chimpanzee compared to man.

Honestly they to me aren't even useful enough to enslave.

There aren't enough of them per nation for it to be cost effective.

Their dead end genome should just do as nature obviously wants and die.

 

Right, right...

 

Care to explain how elves were in the past the scions of Thedas? Because compared to them, humans at those times were little more then savages. News flash pal, humans are the inferior cousin here. 

[NextGenCowboy]

What we need to talk about is the difference between their, and they're.

 

My bad, you get a pass for a mistake or two, but your line breaks, plus that, are unreal.

[XEternalXDreamsX]

This is the only choice that gives pause for me. It's not exactly that I like Gaspard's expansionist attitude. If negotiations with Fereldan are successful and he fortified the northern border against Tevinter, he could play a role in DA4 that helps the next protagonist if the next Hero is anti-Tevinter or against Tevinter forces for plot reasons. Whether the elf rules thru him (or reconciles with Celene), it may hinder or help further in the war.

I just can't help but feel like it will be almost inconsequential whether he attacks Fereldan or holds the truce unless they keep us updated thru Codex or conservation while we move North next game.

It really just boils down to an Empress dedicated to internal growth or an Emperor looking to expand his lands. Side effect of elves being hindered or somewhat uplifted if you support the Elf.

As simple as I make that sound, I still have a tough time knowing what is actually best for the country for future installments.

[NextGenCowboy]

I assume the use of the War Table is to allow for much more diverse states, without actually having to code scenes into the game. The issue of course, without a visual representation, a lot of the impact is lost. If the table, or something like it, is carried into the next game, there could be lots of little differences, but it won't have the same oomph as seeing Gaspard's, or Celine's approaches playing out in scenes.

 

In the end, it could make a huge difference next game, just not in terms of how it changes scenes, but it could still end up carving up the regions in different ways. Curious if that would actually be implemented onto a map of the region.

[Master Warder Z_]

Right, right...

Glad you agree