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[Sully13]

games can be if the Dev wants to make an Art game. look at i dunno Jorny beutifull as hell. sure COD or Lollypop Chaisaw arnt but meh i just Doodle dont ask me. 

[The Devlish Redhead]

games can be if the Dev wants to make an Art game. look at i dunno Jorny beutifull as hell. sure COD or Lollypop Chaisaw arnt but meh i just Doodle dont ask me. 

 

Why the hell are games like Lollipop Chainsaw no on PC? That was a ton of fun on console. 

[Sully13]

Yhe Master race dony want to Sully there rigs whith Tarra Strong.

[Sully13]

[Toasted Llama]

*grabs popcorn*

 

 

Oh, glorious GG. It's best to watch the war go on from a distance, don't involve yourself. Both sides are ****.

[Sully13]

I dunno i tend to side whith GG despite my neutrality.

[The Devlish Redhead]

I still don't get all the fuss.  I keep googling videos about gamergate and keep seeing crazy people..

 

Another wild rant..

 

 

Is this dude butthurt?

[slimgrin]

*grabs popcorn*

 

 

Oh, glorious GG. It's best to watch the war go on from a distance, don't involve yourself. Both sides are ****.

 

A perfectly flaky stance. 

[LPPrince]

I dunno i tend to side whith GG despite my neutrality.

 

This is how it goes with me as well. I stay out of it, but I find that GG I can agree with more often than the anti-GG side. Again mostly because GG's actually willing to have discussions over various subjects with other people and more often than not the other side plugs ears and goes, "NUH"

 

The whole thing is very reactionary. One side says something, other reacts. They just need to sit down and actually talk. No screaming, no yelling, no manipulation, no lying, etc etc. Just talk.

[LPPrince]

I still don't get all the fuss.  I keep googling videos about gamergate and keep seeing crazy people..

 

Another wild rant..

 

Is this dude butthurt?

 

He's irritated like many on the GG side are irritated;gamers get a bad rap from the media and from people like Sarkeesian so he(and others) get their frustrations out through their youtube channels.

[In Exile]

He's irritated like many on the GG side are irritated;gamers get a bad rap from the media and from people like Sarkeesian so he(and others) get their frustrations out through their youtube channels.

"Gamers" don't get a bad rap. Games get criticism, but that's it. When people criticise a movie they don't critise movie-goers by association. That's just one of many issues with this notional banding together.

[Sully13]

Dude AlphaOmegaSin tends to get emotional. try Sargon of Akkad. 

But lets put this into perspective. She utilises the Threat Narritive like a fekin pro.

Ok this can be put simply there are 2 girls Alice and Jane. 

Alice says the sky is green. Jane Dissagrees.

So what dose Alice do?

She tells everyone Jane tried to kill her and manipulates the narritive to sute her needs.

Now Jane is Branded a Terrorist rapist woman hateing yada yada you know what i mean.

 

Anita was known to have a bias waaaaaaaay before this. and if she didnt troll 4chan (which had a major female user base btw. ) no one would have cared.

Look how she avoids female critics if she acnowlaged any of us her naritive would be shot.

[LPPrince]

"Gamers" don't get a bad rap. Games get criticism, but that's it. When people criticise a movie they don't critise movie-goers by association. That's just one of many issues with this notional banding together.

 

Nah, there's a difference between the response movies get and the response games get;you're right that when movies get criticized, movie-goers don't. Problem with gaming is its still given very negative light and perception from outside sources, and that goes beyond the games themselves and onto gamers. Anita doesn't help this. Neither do her most obnoxious detractors. Its people in the middle paying the price. Ourselves included.

[LPPrince]

Dude AlphaOmegaSin tends to get emotional. try Sargon of Akkad. 

But lets put this into perspective. She utilises the Threat Narritive like a fekin pro.

Ok this can be put simply there are 2 girls Alice and Jane. 

Alice says the sky is green. Jane Dissagrees.

So what dose Alice do?

She tells everyone Jane tried to kill her and manipulates the narritive to sute her needs.

Now Jane is Branded a Terrorist rapist woman hateing yada yada you know what i mean.

 

Anita was known to have a bias waaaaaaaay before this. and if she didnt troll 4chan (which had a major female user base btw. ) no one would have cared.

Look how she avoids female critics if she acnowlaged any of us her naritive would be shot.

 

Has she ever acknowledged her female detractors? Even once? I'm not sure. I feel like she's had to. If not, its very telling.

[Sully13]

HAAAAHAAAHAAA.

Anita speaks for ALL women. there can be no "Female" Detractors. 

If there were thay are probably just Animatronic Sock puppets.

 

So my anwer to that is No.

 

The sad fact is she is useing the Human need to protect women to her advantage. ANY slight chriticism is a bloddy assault that cuts her to the core and leves her affraid for her life.

while she can post Vile Hate filled ptopoganda.

that if you swap the words Man whith Jew... yeah.

[slimgrin]

"Gamers" don't get a bad rap. Games get criticism, but that's it. When people criticise a movie they don't critise movie-goers by association. That's just one of many issues with this notional banding together.

 

I'd agree with half of this, but I do feel gamers continue to get a bad rap, mostly from the media. I've long maintained that's why GG is still going. Not journalistic ethics, but the media being douchebags. Of course they get clicks for sensationalism so there's no reason to change now.

[Gwydden]

"Gamers" don't get a bad rap. Games get criticism, but that's it. When people criticise a movie they don't critise movie-goers by association. That's just one of many issues with this notional banding together.

Oh, but they do. 'SJWs' attack on geek culture is two-fold. They attack the identities within it as much as the products. No doubt because they've bought into the stereotype that 'geeks' are immature basement-dwelling straight white manchildren who hate women and minorities and like to fantasize about ruling the world. I kid you not, I've seen some of them say pretty much this. Ah, the irony!

[Sully13]

Criticism is calling a group of D&D or CoD players "Worse than ISIS"? 

Who knew?

 

No seriosly GG are usualy the first to call out there own if thay cross the line and to try to help those even on the opposit side. 

look at the guy thay raised money for whos wife needed medical treatment.

then look at his response.

 

Theonly thing that the SJWs are upset about is we arnt paying attention to them. thay are like spoiled kids at a party.

"PAY ATTENTION TO MEEEEE."

[Giantdeathrobot]

Gamers getting a bad rep isn't down only to traditional media (albeit they definitely make it worse). Circuses like GG vs anti-GG certainly doesn't make anyone look particularily sane, and the most popular ''faces'' of gaming are stuff like PewDiePie and Twitch with its infamously trashy chat. Many communities (especially for online games such as LoL or CoD) are known to contain more than their fair share of total asses as well. Not exactly inspiring to say the least.

[Cainhurst Crow]

"Gamers" don't get a bad rap. Games get criticism, but that's it. When people criticise a movie they don't critise movie-goers by association. That's just one of many issues with this notional banding together.

When movie goers call chappie or transformers:explosions_and _trash bad movies, have the major sites that handle film coverage blasted them az entitled pissbabies who should kill themselves? Was there a major movement pushed by multiple publications to label anyone watches movies and celebrates their love of film as rapist terrorists and the entire culture around it needing to die in treblinka?

No?

Then The two situations aren't comparable.

[SmilesJA]

"Gamers" don't get a bad rap. Games get criticism, but that's it. When people criticise a movie they don't critise movie-goers by association. That's just one of many issues with this notional banding together.

 

Does "criticism" involve calling gamers potential mass killers because they were exposed to violent video games?

[slimgrin]

Does "criticism" involve calling gamers potential mass killers because they were exposed to violent video games?

 

It's exactly the same unfounded paranoia in the 60s and 70s when they were saying if you play a rock record backwards the band was telling you to worship the devil. Except back then the media wasn't buying it. SJdubs now have an army of Ben Kucheras willing to back their zany narrative. BTW, Tetris will totally make you a communist. True story.

 

http://www.reaxxion....viet-propaganda

[Commander Rpg]

Feminism is a poor excuse to bully people who has equal respect for both sexes.

Someone has forgotten (or pretends to have) that women weren't home&family-bound all the way. Many of them, before the beginning and the end of the great wars, were sent to work at the youngest age, like men did, even when they had families to watch after. When the oldest born was old enough, he/she watched over the others, and even when not, the rest of the family supported one another, so aunts and uncles helped, sons-in-law, sisters-in-law, everyone.

When slackness came by, stimulated by the newfound wealth, some men thought the world wasn't worth of their women and you know the rest of the story.

Feminism is the most wrong response to a wrong mentality that developed in those years. The woman has always been underestimated, in some way, by a large number of men of the past, but what they're doing now is underestimating her on the opposite pole.

 

Again, bullying has never been so shrouded in morality.

[In Exile]

Nah, there's a difference between the response movies get and the response games get;you're right that when movies get criticized, movie-goers don't. Problem with gaming is its still given very negative light and perception from outside sources, and that goes beyond the games themselves and onto gamers. Anita doesn't help this. Neither do her most obnoxious detractors. Its people in the middle paying the price. Ourselves included.

There are certainly negative connotations to being a gamer that still survive to this day - but they have nothing to do with the GG issues. What we battle are stereotypes: that we are antisocial being the chief among them. There are body imagine issues (e.g. unattractive and/or suffering from weight-related difficulties).

That's very different from criticism aimed at the industry and the games that it produces (e.g. that games are too violent or that they portrayed women poorly).

Let's use an example - Joss Whedon being critised over A2. No one accused fans of the MCU of being sexist for watching and enjoying A2 (no one who is rational and respected as a public figure, anyway).

The criticism of the medium and those who produce it is different from criticism aimed at those who consume it.

[In Exile]

I'd agree with half of this, but I do feel gamers continue to get a bad rap, mostly from the media. I've long maintained that's why GG is still going. Not journalistic ethics, but the media being douchebags. Of course they get clicks for sensationalism so there's no reason to change now.

I think we're talking at too generic a level. What is "the media" here? There's a gulf betweeen Kotaku (which is technically media but not really "the media" in a meaningful sense); I don't recall a BBC segment on gamers.

We have our stereotypes to be sure but the only group harming the image of gamers so far has been GG and - being charitable - the trolls that associate with it.

The issues brought up as criticism of games are mostly just truisms about modern media that are being parroted by people who lack the academic background to meanigfully discuss the terms they use. Taking a stand against these issues - rather than the people who parrot these views and the manner they express themselves - is what harms "gamers". There are problems with the portrayal of women in games. There are few female developers. These are real issues - taking a stand against them is just discrediting. At the same many of the public figures raising these points are wholly ignorant of the actual scientific, sociological, psychological and academic theories sorrounding the issued they raise. Their criticisms often go too far or misunderstand the source material.

Still - GG hurts gaming as a whole in the manner that it conducts itself. By taking the opposite side of an issue that's not really contestable - regarding the portrayals and presence of women in gaming - it adds credence to a group of people that are not truly advancing meaningful criticism and casts them as the heroes in the narrative.