When the garbage wiki article is likely the first result, it's probably for the best.
FTR to anyone wanting to learn more, KnowYourMeme has a solid chronology and explanation of most things GG related since there's been so many maymays created around it.
This. The site even has links to archived threads and screenshots from both sides.
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Should also be noted that KYM is nominally pro-GG but archiving the dank memes in an unbiased fashion is their main concern.
I'd argue that they're pro-GG primarily due to the fact that a defining characteristic of a pro-GG person is an acceptance, if not love, for shitposting. And well, memeposters obviously love shitposting. No I'm not joking. "No Fun Allowed" and views on censorship are some of the big divides between the two sides.
Tell me son,,,, just how dank are these memes? I need optimal dankcasting when I visit this site.
I'm not so sure about Brianna since I don't follow it that well. She created a game with hypersexualised female characters. (if she's lambasted people for sexualised female characters then she's a hypocrite)
She has, and she is.
oh god, I don't even think it's worth the effort to even dive into this.
Trust me. It's really not worth getting into.
I wish I had never even given Anita or GG an ounce of my brainpower to begin with. Screw them both.
I'm calling gaming journalism a lost cause and just ignoring the entire thing from this point.
Now if there is anything that pisses me off, it is the idea that women are not allowed on the tech industry or gaming industry. They don't have enough competent workers as it is, if you are good they will hire you.
It's not like when a woman tries to apply for a STEM degree they are automatically told "no." To combat this issue we need to look at why not a lot of women are following these career choices rather than blame it on the whole industry as a whole. CEO of yahoo, kim swift, grace hooper are all good examples. If those women can do it, so can any other woman.
Reminds of that person who was making a feminist programming language. Like what value would that add? the language does not even address the technical problems of compilers, it just replaces some dialect with xe. Let us solve problems not dilly dally by adding nothing to the conversation. There is no way you can tell me C++ was catered with men in mind. It was created to solve a problem
I think you kinda answered your own question, in a way. Women are told by the current media that the tech and gaming industry are hostile to them, that you'll be torn apart by hordes or privilaged male sociopaths, and that you'll always be judged and persecuted due to your gender if you go into this field. So, many of them don't go into the field, because why would you? It's a field that sounds like infinite headaches and bad experiences for no reward. And then only those super uber passionate ones make it into the industry. This rheotric is coming from the ones fighting for "equality" but they're doing more harm then good in making it sound any sort of appealing.
Hell, the same thing happens within gaming to gamers of both genders. Look at Dark Souls or Bloodborne. Your told the games insanely hard, that its not fun, that you'll only get angry and broken playing it. So a lot of people avoid it because why the hell would you want to bother doing that? What am I, a sadist? I'd rather do something I know I can enjoy then something that's gonna cause me nothing but trouble.
At least, that's my take on the whole situation. Historically there was tons of pushback from women participating in multiple aspects of life. But I honestly feel most if not all of that sentiment went the way of Cadillacs, Leisure suits, and casual cocaine parties, gone with the times.
This thread is moving so fast.
I asked earlier and I am curious.
What or who started this gamergate nonsense in the first place and why?
Reminds of that person who was making a feminist programming language. Like what value would that add?
To make the world's first Femputing machine.
Now if there is anything that pisses me off, it is the idea that women are not allowed on the tech industry or gaming industry. They don't have enough competent workers as it is, if you are good they will hire you.
It's not like when a woman tries to apply for a STEM degree they are automatically told "no." To combat this issue we need to look at why not a lot of women are following these career choices rather than blame it on the whole industry as a whole. CEO of yahoo, kim swift, grace hooper are all good examples. If those women can do it, so can any other woman.
Reminds of that person who was making a feminist programming language. Like what value would that add? the language does not even address the technical problems of compilers, it just replaces some dialect with xe. Let us solve problems not dilly dally by adding nothing to the conversation. There is no way you can tell me C++ was catered with men in mind. It was created to solve a problem
Interesting how there isn't much hoopla about the lack of women in male dominated jobs such boilermaking, septic tank cleaning, ironworking,carpentry,etc or the lack of men in female dominated jobs such as dental hygienist or kindergarten teaching. It's almost as if this is an ideological driven agenda by professional (leftist) agitators whom want top-down social engineering and enforcement of quotas driven by their desire to give women some kind of missing "prestige".
It's all bollocks of course, gender asymmetry in STEM is as much a nonissue as racial asymmetry in the NBA.
This thread is moving so fast.
I asked earlier and I am curious.
What or who started this gamergate nonsense in the first place and why?
Adam Baldwin coined the term Gamergate.
But it apparently got into gear over Zoey Quinn but that was just the tipping point.
This was a segment written by Jennifer Helper - a woman who faced such insane scorn and vitriol for her comments about writing games without playing them and wanting to skip gameplay - who was the victim of outright criminal harassment.
So was David Gaider, Mike Laidlaw and a few others. But people targeted her because of her comment and rampaging internet morons decided to target her. It had nothing to do with whether or not she was a woman. I'm pretty sure if David or Mike made that comment they'd get ripped into by rampaging internet morons as well.
You're acting like women aren't the industry and if they are they get harassed if they do. Next time you watch the credits of a game take note of how many women names there are in there.
That's a problem. That's something we need to have a real conversation about as "gamers". Saying " trolls did it" isn't a conversation - it's just shrugging shoulders and saying "not my problem".
How many female devs are on AAA development teams? Can you give me numbers?
Adam Baldwin coined the term Gamergate.
But it apparently got into gear over Zoey Quinn but that was just the tipping point.
Ah.. So it all started because of a woman.
Ah.. So it all started because of a woman.
You want to know what kicked it off from stupid reddit nonsense into full blown multi-social-media hoopla? K. I can do that.
http://wiki.gamergat...Gamers_Are_Dead
11 different websites all running the same story, with the same writing and message, on the same date, with the same condescending and dismissive tone to them. Around this time, Reddit as well launched a coordinated effort in mass banning large numbers of posters who talked about the articles, and anything regarding zoe quinn.
You getting "it all started because of a woman" from the whole thing is not accurate to the events that unfolded. Hopefully this clears up why the shitstorm reached the proportion it did.
If anything that was proof that the "ethics in games journalism" side has merit and needs to be talked about and discussed. But that is always put down by those that would rather talk about the females in gaming side alone.
Interesting how there isn't much hoopla about the lack of women in male dominated jobs such boilermaking, septic tank cleaning, ironworking,carpentry,etc or the lack of men in female dominated jobs such as dental hygienist or kindergarten teaching. It's almost as if this is an ideological driven agenda by professional (leftist) agitators whom want top-down social engineering and enforcement of quotas driven by their desire to give women some kind of missing "prestige".
It's all bollocks of course, gender asymmetry in STEM is as much a nonissue as racial asymmetry in the NBA.
Except for the fact that there is hoopla about the lack of women in trades. It's a serious issue being debated in actual serious academic circles. But it's not something the media - and by which I mean the real media, i.e., BBC, CNN, etc. - pick up on as much. The disproportionate presence of men - and the absence of women - in skilled trades is certainly an issue in Canada. Skilled trades are high income professions (compared to other professions women may gravitate towards from similar socioeconomic backgrounds). Similarly, there is hoopla about the lack of men in similar jobs (e.g. what drives men towards those skilled oriented trades).
So, no, it's not "bollocks", despite your own ignorance of the topic.
And to complete this "read more things" post, racial symmetry in pro b-ball is a topic of some study. Did you know, for example, that in the very early going b-ball was seen as a sport dominated by Jewish men? There were even bizzarely racist theories about why this was the case - e.g. they were wiry and cunning.
If anything that was proof that the "ethics in games journalism" side has merit and needs to be talked about and discussed. But that is always put down by those that would rather talk about the females in gaming side alone.
It's really irritating. Though I do guess with the whole massive email list with most of the gaming journalists on it talking about how to cover stories and events, it kinda kills any doubt that there probably was never any ethics in game journalism. I'd like to talk about it without someone trying to drag it into dissing the radical feminists or whatever other malarkey comes up, then getting blasted as a shill for not wanting to talk about it.
Gotten to the point where I just hope all these sites lose viewers and go the way of myspace. Not even over gamergate but just in general, just cause its easier then even discussing how they're flawed or could be improved.
It's really irritating. Though I do guess with the whole massive email list with most of the gaming journalists on it talking about how to cover stories and events, it kinda kills any doubt that there probably was never any ethics in game journalism. I'd like to talk about it without someone trying to drag it into dissing the radical feminists or whatever other malarkey comes up, then getting blasted as a shill for not wanting to talk about it.
Gotten to the point where I just hope all these sites lose viewers and go the way of myspace. Not even over gamergate but just in general, just cause its easier then even discussing how they're flawed or could be improved.
Then people need to stop feeding them site clicks.
So was David Gaider, Mike Laidlaw and a few others. But people targeted her because of her comment and rampaging internet morons decided to target her. It had nothing to do with whether or not she was a woman. I'm pretty sure if David or Mike made that comment they'd get ripped into by rampaging internet morons as well.
You're acting like women aren't the industry and if they are they get harassed if they do. Next time you watch the credits of a game take note of how many women names there are in there.
How many female devs are on AAA development teams? Can you give me numbers?
Have you read anything I've said in that post? My point was that Jennifer Helper did a great job writing an incredibly memorable segment of DA:O, something that people actively miss and wish would feature more in the sequels. She doesn't play games. She's not a "gamer" in that sense. She's not the person you'd expect to work in the industry. But she did great work.
I didn't use her as an example that women are somehow run out of the industry - I used her as an example for why, even if people are right and there's nothing more going on that women choosing other career paths, we'd still want more women in AAA game development simply to increase the # of talented developers.
So, no, I didn't say that women aren't in the industry. I didn't say that women get harassed because they're in the industry. What I said, instead, was that purely out of self-interest and even if the only thing going on here is career priorities, gamers should still want more female developers.
Then people need to stop feeding them site clicks.
Yup. Either use Archive.com or just don't go to em period.
It's really irritating. Though I do guess with the whole massive email list with most of the gaming journalists on it talking about how to cover stories and events, it kinda kills any doubt that there probably was never any ethics in game journalism. I'd like to talk about it without someone trying to drag it into dissing the radical feminists or whatever other malarkey comes up, then getting blasted as a shill for not wanting to talk about it.
Gotten to the point where I just hope all these sites lose viewers and go the way of myspace. Not even over gamergate but just in general, just cause its easier then even discussing how they're flawed or could be improved.
There's no conversation to be had. The actual ethical issue - that gaming sites are financed to a substantial extent by gaming companies - is an open fact. They're a review site, so the issue here is consumer protection. It's not "ethics in journalism", it's consumer protection organizations should be worried about purportedly neutral reviewers having a financial interest to misrepresented the products reviewed. No one's covering that particular issue. All it takes is for GG to say "all we will ever talk in public about is financial collusion" and suddenly it all goes away. But that's not what this is about here.
But that's never what GG raised. Even at their most charitable, the issues they brought up weren't a conflict of interest. Zoey Quinn's boyfriend didn't review her game. There's no evidence he tried to exert any undue (that's a key word here - undue) influence on reviewers of her game.
Except for the fact that there is hoopla about the lack of women in trades. It's a serious issue being debated in actual serious academic circles. But it's not something the media - and by which I mean the real media, i.e., BBC, CNN, etc. - pick up on as much. The disproportionate presence of men - and the absence of women - in skilled trades is certainly an issue in Canada. Skilled trades are high income professions (compared to other professions women may gravitate towards from similar socioeconomic backgrounds). Similarly, there is hoopla about the lack of men in similar jobs (e.g. what drives men towards those skilled oriented trades).
So, no, it's not "bollocks", despite your own ignorance of the topic.
And to complete this "read more things" post, racial symmetry in pro b-ball is a topic of some study. Did you know, for example, that in the very early going b-ball was seen as a sport dominated by Jewish men? There were even bizzarely racist theories about why this was the case - e.g. they were wiry and cunning.
A "serious" issue being debated in "serious" academic circles? You mean the "experts" of modern academia who suffer from white-male-guilt syndrome? They have their heads so far up their own rear that any noise from them shouldn't be taken seriously.
All it takes is for GG to say "all we will ever talk in public about is financial collusion" and suddenly it all goes away..
I don't know if your doing it on purpose or really this out of touch with how this stuff works or what gamergate has actually done these past months. But my god am I actually laughing my sides off right now.
You want to know what kicked it off from stupid reddit nonsense into full blown multi-social-media hoopla? K. I can do that.
http://wiki.gamergat...Gamers_Are_Dead
11 different websites all running the same story, with the same writing and message, on the same date, with the same condescending and dismissive tone to them. Around this time, Reddit as well launched a coordinated effort in mass banning large numbers of posters who talked about the articles, and anything regarding zoe quinn.
You getting "it all started because of a woman" from the whole thing is not accurate to the events that unfolded. Hopefully this clears up why the shitstorm reached the proportion it did.
Wow. Just wow. And no sign of it ever ending or people calming down.
Interesting how there isn't much hoopla about the lack of women in male dominated jobs such boilermaking, septic tank cleaning, ironworking,carpentry,etc or the lack of men in female dominated jobs such as dental hygienist or kindergarten teaching. It's almost as if this is an ideological driven agenda by professional (leftist) agitators whom want top-down social engineering and enforcement of quotas driven by their desire to give women some kind of missing "prestige".
It's all bollocks of course, gender asymmetry in STEM is as much a nonissue as racial asymmetry in the NBA.
But there's tons of women doing traditional male jobs. The Army and Navy here have female pilots and mechanics. Hell the last time our car got serviced it was a lady and she was super smart, and cool..
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