Wow. Just wow. And no sign of it ever ending or people calming down.
Not this year, at least. I think this is gonna become another "Mass Effect 3 ending" or "Dorito Pope" thing on the internet. It's just there, forever, a permanent stain that's not gonna get removed, cause the people who can remove it don't wanna address it, and that's all the motivation the stain folks need to keep on trucking.
"Gamergate is dead" has been a running meme in gamergate for about 6 months and counting.
I don't know if your doing it on purpose or really this out of touch with how this stuff works or what gamergate has actually done these past months. But my god am I actually laughing my sides off right now.
Except they haven't. They have constantly engage with gender issues in the most laughably terrible way, consistently and persistently. And that's ignoring that the actual Zoey Quinn incident had nothing to do with financial collusion between major publishers and the media. For GG to pretend like it's about the actual issue is the only laughable thing here.
Except they haven't. They have constantly engage with gender issues in the most laughably terrible way, consistently and persistently. And that's ignoring that the actual Zoey Quinn incident had nothing to do with financial collusion between major publishers and the media. For GG to pretend like it's about the actual issue is the only laughable thing here.
Seriously, I'm dying. Pls Stahp.
Like, you don't even know about "It's actually about ethics in game journalism" do you? How gamergate did precisely what you said they should do, and their opposition mocked them for it and simply dismissed them as liars, like they did all those women and minorities who came out in support of gamergate.
Honestly? It's like I'm back in September 2014. Man, I don't usually get Deja Vu but wow.
When the garbage wiki article is likely the first result, it's probably for the best.
FTR to anyone wanting to learn more, KnowYourMeme has a solid chronology and explanation of most things GG related since there's been so many maymays created around it.
If you don't want to try thinking, or making up your mind, I understand. It's taxing. takes up calories to decide.
Have you read anything I've said in that post? My point was that Jennifer Helper did a great job writing an incredibly memorable segment of DA:O, something that people actively miss and wish would feature more in the sequels. She doesn't play games. She's not a "gamer" in that sense. She's not the person you'd expect to work in the industry. But she did great work.
I didn't use her as an example that women are somehow run out of the industry - I used her as an example for why, even if people are right and there's nothing more going on that women choosing other career paths, we'd still want more women in AAA game development simply to increase the # of talented developers.
So, no, I didn't say that women aren't in the industry. I didn't say that women get harassed because they're in the industry. What I said, instead, was that purely out of self-interest and even if the only thing going on here is career priorities, gamers should still want more female developers.
Okay I gotcha. You're saying that there's a lack of women coming into the industry.
Numbers please. Thank you. Otherwise argument is invalid.
Also I DON'T want female developers. I WANT good developers if they're female, male, trans, llama I don't care. All I care is the final product.
Except for the fact that there is hoopla about the lack of women in trades. It's a serious issue being debated in actual serious academic circles. But it's not something the media - and by which I mean the real media, i.e., BBC, CNN, etc. - pick up on as much. The disproportionate presence of men - and the absence of women - in skilled trades is certainly an issue in Canada.
Lol. serious academic circles... are these the same serious academic circles that shamed Matt Taylor for his shirt?
Okay I gotcha. You're saying that there's a lack of women coming into the industry.
Numbers please. Thank you. Otherwise argument is invalid.
Also I DON'T want female developers. I WANT good developers if they're female, male, trans, llama I don't care. All I care is the final product.
Agreed..do you refuse to eat a meal if the chef isn't a woman? No you refuse to eat it because the chef was bad at their job. Consumers don't really care who create the products they buy so long as they are good products. Anyone who does care seems to me focus on an irrelevant aspect. Don't blame the industry for not having women in it. Blame the women who choose different career paths that isn't gaming.
There's so much bullshit on both sides of this.
If you don't want to try thinking, or making up your mind, I understand. It's taxing. takes up calories to decide.
"It's actually about ethics in game journalism"
Ok RBK is like me and mute sooo.
oh and
Not this year, at least. I think this is gonna become another "Mass Effect 3 ending" or "Dorito Pope" thing on the internet. It's just there, forever, a permanent stain that's not gonna get removed, cause the people who can remove it don't wanna address it, and that's all the motivation the stain folks need to keep on trucking.
"Gamergate is dead" has been a running meme in gamergate for about 6 months and counting.
It's also the AGGros that aren't going to let it go away. Who cared about or had even heard of the likes of Brianna Wu, Jonathan Mcintosh, Randi Harper, David Gallant, Sarah Butts etc before Gamergate? These people have made their names, and continue to make a living from being "harassed" by or fighting against Gamergate. They aren't going to allow it to die and go back to being nobodies.
GG has already won.
GG has already won? Won what? What has it achieved other than to further the stereotype the gaming public as ignorant bigots with a hate boner for minorities? Gaming publications are and media outlets are still as unethical as ever and I am pretty sure nobody except the people actually in gamergate actually take it seriously.
In the end both sides are just as bad as each other, while I do find the constant attempts to label games and gamers sexist misogynists for not catering to the demands of the SJWs distasteful, the gamergaters who oppose the implementation of female protagonists and gay characters on the grounds that it is "pointless pandering" and send death and bomb threats to anyone that disagrees do little to ease misconceptions.
In fact without Gamergate I would have no idea who these SJWs actually were, if it weren't for the "Gamergaters" constantly whinging about figures like Anita Sarkeesian, Anthony Burch, Brianna Wu and Zoe Quinn I doubt they would be as prominent as they are today. In the end Gamergate has only damaged the very cause it has claimed to be fighting for, Anita would be nowhere near the monster she is today without the help of Gamergate.
Pretty much every major gaming website has (quietly or otherwise) updated their disclosure and code of ethics policies. Snakes like Ben Kuchera and Leigh Alexander have either disappeared entirely or moved on to websites that nobody knows or cares about.
Sounds like a resounding victory to me.
Okay I gotcha. You're saying that there's a lack of women coming into the industry.
Numbers please. Thank you. Otherwise argument is invalid.
Also I DON'T want female developers. I WANT good developers if they're female, male, trans, llama I don't care. All I care is the final product.
I actually prefer Eunuch or Lizardoid developers.
I actually prefer Eunuch or Lizardoid developers.
I prefer developers with a fully functional brain, and chosen amongst people with a real penis or a real vagina.
Pretty much every major gaming website has (quietly or otherwise) updated their disclosure and code of ethics policies. Snakes like Ben Kuchera and Leigh Alexander have either disappeared entirely or moved on to websites that nobody knows or cares about.
Sounds like a resounding victory to me.
Oh yeah gaming websites have made a slight alteration to a code of ethics they never followed in the first place and some people I never heard or cared about moved onto jobs they probably would have pursued anyway, mission accomplished!
If you guys want to delude yourselves into thinking you actually accomplished anything good then I won't rain on your parade, but I can help being reminded of that Canada on Strike episode of South Park
Feminazis must be responsible. Sentence should be 6 months of daily kitchen duty in service of male gamer. If the gamer suffers any sort of poisoning during this period the nazi will be beheaded and rest of the body will be stripped apart for paper weights.
If you guys want to delude yourselves into thinking you actually accomplished anything good then I won't rain on your parade, but I can help being reminded of that Canada on Strike episode of South Park
Ooooooh, now South Park has risen to the role of social observatory on daily reality.
Oooooooohhhhhh.
You're kidding with this, right. Of course it's being debated in "serious academic circles"- because a large part of academia these days revolves around "discovering" i.e. perpetuating identity politics themes. The same mentality dominates in the media. If there were an actual honest debate, maybe we'd get somewhere. Instead, the issue is so pre-loaded with emotion-based politics that there can be no actual analysis.Except for the fact that there is hoopla about the lack of women in trades. It's a serious issue being debated in actual serious academic circles. But it's not something the media - and by which I mean the real media, i.e., BBC, CNN, etc. - pick up on as much.
as I understand it #GamerGate is about many things including:-
1) complaining about corruption in games journalism
2) trying to corrupt games journalism
3) harassing games journalists who refuse to be corrupt
4) trying to bribe games-related charities and doing a denial-of-service attack if they refuse
5) complaining about censorship (i.e. suggesting that websites should not police comments for libel, swearing, etc but should instead allow anyone to use their sites to say anything they like or promote any agenda they like)
6) demanding censorship (of games journalists)
7) objecting to games journalists suggesting that games should be developed for people other than straight white males
8) objecting to women having an opinion different to their own
9) objecting to being called misogynists because they object to women having differing opinions and justifying by pretending the accusations are over the games they like
10) using straw-man arguments to complain about game journalists
11) trying to disassociate themselves from many of the above
12) anything else anyone using the twitter hashtag wants it to be about
I still don't know much about GG. It was a "tl;dr" one!
Just these keywords:
Retarded Game Journalism, Misogyny and Sh!tlordism, Go home gamer girl, Crappy feminist games.
Pretty much every major gaming website has (quietly or otherwise) updated their disclosure and code of ethics policies. Snakes like Ben Kuchera and Leigh Alexander have either disappeared entirely or moved on to websites that nobody knows or cares about.
Sounds like a resounding victory to me.
The code of ethics that they probably don't care about in the first place? People you probably haven't even heard about if you don't follow the controversy circus closely being even less known than before?
That's not exactly the kind of ''resounding victory'' I'd expect after so much mud-slinging. The hated ''SJWs'' might as well say they ''won'' because Call of Duty allows female protagonists in its next title.
Ethics in games journalism still appears largely unchanged (not that I fault GG, this kind of business is way above the paygrade of an hashtag but still). Reputation of gaming across the general populace is still shitty. Arch-enemies like Anita and Porygon are still making money out of the whole farce. But at least some words on the internet were changed. Totally worth the insane amount of bile and drama.
Personally I have more than one concern, this filth could pollute my daughter's mind, if I had a daughter.
I do have a daughter and the thought of her being subject to the victim culture being perpetuated by modern feminists frightens me.
Is it a sexist stereotype for Mario to save the princess from the castle? Possibly. But I would want my daughter to enjoy something for what it is instead of dissecting how it covertly subverts her place in society. I don't want her to be shamed for "playing into the patriarchal standard" (or, by implication, not being a real woman by standing up for feminist rights, which is the implied judgement by many) by not decrying every aspect of society that doesn't meet some ethereal checklist of representation or fairness.
I don't want me daughter thinking that she has to find ways the world is making her weaker. I want her to think there is nothing in the world that can stop her.
Also explain to Fast Daughter why Bayonetta(when she's older 
), Lara Croft, Zelda, etc etc are such great and strong characters. Instead of promoting The Scythian as a good female character in a game because there's nothing to that character and the only reason you know its female is because other people in-game say she is. :/
Also explain to Fast Daughter why Bayonetta(when she's older
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