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[Decepticon Leader Sully]

Anyone else wondering if this is due to the GGers being Beach body Ready? 

[Decepticon Leader Sully]

That's an easy one. Anita or Mackintosh would get torn to shreds in an actual debate setting. It's fairly obvious that neither of them harbour any love for videogames. Anita has been filmed saying as such, and one look at Mackintosh's twitter will tell you that he despises videogames. On the Colbert report, Sarkeesian couldn't even name three games off of the top of her head that were overtly sexist. 

I duno thay can spin narritives like a pro. any actual debate would wind up like the Nye v Ham debate whare even if she were bent over and taken like a wench the SJWs will simply claim victory. 

[SnakeCode]

BUT THEY ARE IN THE MORAL RIGHT.

 

Remember, "There are no bad tactics, just bad targets."

 

#Listen and believe

[slimgrin]

Did anyone else laugh when reading about the bomb threat? I did, though I felt a little bad about that afterward.

 

I don't see what's funny about it given the real world implications. The police had to haul their asses down there and waste their time with a phony threat. Twitter is seriously f*cked up. Look at the power people can wield by simply tweeting. 

[AlanC9]

I duno thay can spin narritives like a pro. any actual debate would wind up like the Nye v Ham debate whare even if she were bent over and taken like a wench the SJWs will simply claim victory.

You sure that's the metaphor you want to roll with there?

[AlanC9]

I don't see what's funny about it given the real world implications. The police had to haul their asses down there and waste their time with a phony threat.

Yeah, that's why I felt bad about it later.

[Decepticon Leader Sully]

Remember, "There are no bad tactics, just bad targets."

 

#Listen and believe

OHHH dont get me started on that pile of false statistics and crumbelling narratives.

[Decepticon Leader Sully]

You sure that's the metaphor you want to roll with there?

Yes les it is.

 

 

 

 

Oh my i may just fapp.

[AlanC9]

Les?

[LPPrince]

That's an easy one. Anita or Mackintosh would get torn to shreds in an actual debate setting. It's fairly obvious that neither of them harbour any love for videogames. Anita has been filmed saying as such, and one look at Mackintosh's twitter will tell you that he despises videogames. On the Colbert report, Sarkeesian couldn't even name three games off of the top of her head that were overtly sexist. 

 

I'm of the opinion that feminism in games deserves a better representative than Anita Sarkeesian. That doesn't mean she deserves the abuse she gets-she absolutely shouldn't get any, but someone else should be the one known for lining things out as she's doing.

 

In one of Anita's videos she claimed the only good thing about Bayonetta was that she was a single mother. She also claimed that Bayonetta fought demons.

 

Now, anyone who's played Bayonetta knows that she isn't a single mother, or even a mother at all. On top of that, its established extremely early in the game that she's actually fighting angels, quite the opposite of demons.

 

Anita was given around $160,000 to make her twelve advertised videos. That was in 2012. In all that time, she's not even halfway thru them. She claims the amount of time taken to make them is because of extreme amounts of research.

 

But if research is being done to some incredible level, how do you manage to make such basic mistakes? On top of that, someone did the math and realized that at her current pace, she'll finish releasing those twelve videos sometime in 2021.

 

That is INSANE. I cannot believe that her backers are alright with this timeline.

 

That is not even counting that publicly while advertising for this series she's claimed to have played games in her youth, yet as you said, its on video that in a private discussion some years ago she said she doesn't play video games.

 

So I'd hope that somewhere out there is someone who can take on the role Anita has seemingly taken and instead uses it well, gaining and earning the trust of everyone involved.

 

Cause right now...ick. Its just as bad as the opposite side's worst that make horrible claims and accusations.

[Decepticon Leader Sully]

She is a Conartist plain and simple.

she can play a part and sipn a thread of bollocks like a actor. dude she is a freekin cult leader.

the only proof i ever saw that she plays games was that pic Scotty took.

 

Les?

No Clair.. my names Clair not Lesley.

OH you mean am i Gay yes i indulge in the Down stairs Café.

[Killdren88]

I say this. I. Don't. Care. I just want to enjoy my video games as they are the things I use to destress myself. I don't care if the character in play is man woman or whatever. So long as its fun I don't care. I don't seek out soapbox video games that tackle social issues because again I don't care. But if I am told that I shouldn't play a game because the character I play is a man and he rescues a woman then to hell with them. I play a male noble on dragon age because I find that to be the best story IMO. Especially if I romance morrigan. I play femshep more because I like the voice acting more that dude Shep and to be honest I like femsheps personality more. In conclusion. I. Don't. Care.

There are bigger social justice issuses in the world bigger than video games. Just. Stop and leave people alone.

[Isichar]

I'm of the opinion that feminism in games deserves a better representative than Anita Sarkeesian. That doesn't mean she deserves the abuse she gets-she absolutely shouldn't get any, but someone else should be the one known for lining things out as she's doing.

 

In one of Anita's videos she claimed the only good thing about Bayonetta was that she was a single mother. She also claimed that Bayonetta fought demons.

 

Now, anyone who's played Bayonetta knows that she isn't a single mother, or even a mother at all. On top of that, its established extremely early in the game that she's actually fighting angels, quite the opposite of demons.

 

Anita was given around $160,000 to make her twelve advertised videos. That was in 2012. In all that time, she's not even halfway thru them. She claims the amount of time taken to make them is because of extreme amounts of research.

 

But if research is being done to some incredible level, how do you manage to make such basic mistakes? On top of that, someone did the math and realized that at her current pace, she'll finish releasing those twelve videos sometime in 2021.

 

That is INSANE. I cannot believe that her backers are alright with this timeline.

 

That is not even counting that publicly while advertising for this series she's claimed to have played games in her youth, yet as you said, its on video that in a private discussion some years ago she said she doesn't play video games.

 

So I'd hope that somewhere out there is someone who can take on the role Anita has seemingly taken and instead uses it well, gaining and earning the trust of everyone involved.

 

Cause right now...ick. Its just as bad as the opposite side's worst that make horrible claims and accusations.

 

Did you ever see Anita on Hitman? It was even worse than the Bayonetta one

[General TSAR]

Did you ever see Anita on Hitman? It was even worse then the Bayonetta one

Didn't she claim it's a woman killing simulator to give the patriarchy murderboners or something equally stupid?

[SnakeCode]

As far as having a better representative of feminism in gaming, the only one that comes to mind is Liana Kerzner. She's working for the escapist atm and wrote a 5 part series called "Why Feminist Frequency almost made me quit writing." which is well worth a read. She identifies as a sex positive feminist. 

[Isichar]

Didn't she claim it's a woman killing simulator to give the patriarchy murderboners or something equally stupid?

 

She said you're encouraged to kill woman and parade them around in sexual ways or something alone those lines when the game in fact discouraged it and actively penalized you for it. She pretty much took one slice of the game and completely misrepresented it to act like that was the main focus of the game. I know there's a lot more to it but it's been a while. There's videos of people dissecting her video that go over every piece of misinformation she stated though and it makes you question whether she actually ever played the game to begin with.

[AlanC9]

No Clair.. my names Clair not Lesley.
OH you mean am i Gay yes i indulge in the Down stairs Café.

Dude, you said "les" in this post:

  

Yes les it is.
 
 
Oh my i may just fapp.

Just asking what you were trying to say there.

[LPPrince]

Did you ever see Anita on Hitman? It was even worse than the Bayonetta one

 

Manipulation of media to impart her opinions and thoughts on her viewers, I know.

 

She claimed that Hitman promoted violence towards women and showcased Agent 47 going out of his way to attack innocents. Oddly enough, as the audio of her video had her telling us that the game promoted this, the video on screen showed that points were being deducted from the score on that level because Agent 47 was doing something he was not supposed to do.

 

Apparently all that money leads to videos where the audio story doesn't match the video presented. That is bizarre and extremely off-putting.

 

I imagine someone could make a more accurate better telling series of videos along the lines of hers in a fraction of the time with $160.

 

I don't believe that money she raised online is being spent well in regards to these videos. I don't see where $160,000 is possibly being spent.

[Decepticon Leader Sully]

Honestly While i care more for the first fart in the morning than i do about Anita. she always had a Bias before her games videos.the fact was Feminist Freqency Trolled 4chan before starting the kickstarter.

   

 

Didn't she claim it's a woman killing simulator to give the patriarchy murderboners or something equally stupid?

Yep.

[slimgrin]

I say this. I. Don't. Care. I just want to enjoy my video games as they are the things I use to destress myself. I don't care if the character in play is man woman or whatever. So long as its fun I don't care. I don't seek out soapbox video games that tackle social issues because again I don't care. But if I am told that I shouldn't play a game because the character I play is a man and he rescues a woman then to hell with them. I play a male noble on dragon age because I find that to be the best story IMO. Especially if I romance morrigan. I play femshep more because I like the voice acting more that dude Shep and to be honest I like femsheps personality more. In conclusion. I. Don't. Care.

There are bigger social justice issuses in the world bigger than video games. Just. Stop and leave people alone.

 

News flash: these people aren't giving up. Some of them, not all, but some of them actively seek to control the media and artistic content you experience. They literally feel like they're the filter for your entertainment. I'll never forget the video where Leigh Alexander talked about reporting on 'artistic immaturity'. That's right. she considers it her job to police the creative talent in gaming. 

[LPPrince]

As far as having a better representative of feminism in gaming, the only one that comes to mind is Liana Kerzner. She's working for the escapist atm and wrote a 5 part series called "Why Feminist Frequency almost made me quit writing." which is well worth a read. She identifies as a sex positive feminist. 

 

[General TSAR]

As far as having a better representative of feminism in gaming, the only one that comes to mind is Liana Kerzner. She's working for the escapist atm and wrote a 5 part series called "Why Feminist Frequency almost made me quit writing." which is well worth a read. She identifies as a sex positive feminist. 

(GASP)

You mean someone can be proud of their gender and at the same time not play the "THE EVIL PATRIARCHY!!!" Game?

 

Such a revolutionary concept.

 

She said you're encouraged to kill woman and parade them around in sexual ways or something alone those lines when the game in fact discouraged it and actively penalized you for it.

Wonder how many people were blocked when they called her out for her deliberate distortion of facts.

[Decepticon Leader Sully]

Dude, you said "les" in this post:

  
Just asking what you were trying to say there.

Dude do you even Joke?  .

Yeah im keeping the metaphore it was a joke leah im a lesbian, mute, Scot, dyslexic, Toxic waste tecnitian who preferes intelegence over all this Safe space Jazzhands nonsence. 

SJWs

If you need to prove your my moral supperior there are natural disasters that need Volinteers tho help out. 

Feminists who think Gender is sociatal and that Dimorphisim is fake.

Go move rubble from ontop of a trapped Child.

[Cainhurst Crow]

The reason why I describe the discussion of identity politics in games as a "growing pain" is that it is a process which is initially unpleasant but whereby we gain greater understanding of the subject matter, even if we end up disagreeing with the people who raise these issues. All I'm appealing to is the idea that there's value in understanding perspectives you don't agree with, and that it's good to have intelligent people who are willing to discuss games from the point of view of race and gender; do you deny this? Are these topics just off-limits for some reason?

 

Working through censorship did not give us greater understanding of anything, other than of the fact that censorship is bad. There is simply no moral equivalence at all between censorship and criticism of a work from a broadly left-wing perspective. Left-wing academics and games crit types are not trying to take away or censor your games; their calling a game 'problematic' does not prevent you from consuming a work. Of course such views can and do get abused (Australia's censorship of Hotline Miami 2 comes to mind), and this abuse should be resisted, but from the fact that a practice or belief system can be used for bad ends, it doesn't follow that it ought to be abandoned wholesale.

 

EDIT: Fixed grammar

 

My problem with the current labeling system many "left-wing perspectives"((I'd argue most of the people pushing the agendas are neither left wing nor offer a perspective)) is that by labeling something "problematic", that completely sets the tone for what needs to happen to it. What do you do with problems? You solve them. You do something which causes the problem to no longer exist. Removing a problem from existence is in it and of itself the goal of resolving a problem, and calling something "problematic" means that, like a problem, it must be removed or erased in some means so it can become "acceptable". This rhetoric was used in the past, usually by the right-wing conservatives when wanting things that didn't line with with their morality removed, such as things with a possible communistic, or non-religious, or socially progressive undertone to be censored, because it was "problematic to the safety of American values".

 

I'm sure every country has had groups of people do the same thing, and use the same language involved, "X is a problem, X must be solved".

 

Even if the ones who push the narrative of something being "problematic" aren't directly involved, their message gets carried out by others who act as proxies for the removing of content. You listed it yourself with australia's bannings and censorship laws, but it also carries over to a grassroots level. How many petitions and campaigns on social media has there been over content or people who work in games to get them and their work banned? Their funding cut? Their names blacklisted from being able to work in the industry? And all citing the works of people who call anything they don't agree with "problematic".

 

The use of the word problematic, racist, sexist, etc, have been hijacked. They've been hijacked so that no, you won't be able to have a diverse amount of content from various producers. Because if someone doesn't agree with it, they can rally a bunch of people together and shut down your work.

 

This isn't about censorship. Don't be a ****** IRL racist is totally different from "don't portray violence".

There was a recent Oscar winning movie about the brutality of slavery, you might recall. Nothing prevents that portrayal. The whole point is to do it without being an actual racist.

 

This is the false dichotomy that makes this entire ****-festival occur. Nothing's ever "I don't agree". Nothing's ever "I have a different opinion". Now it's an all or nothing gambit. Either you side me on on every issue 100% or your the worst thing to happen since hitler's rise to power. Either you agree with my extreme political views against anyone calling for change, or your a racist, sexist, bigot and need to be removed from the industry. Either you agree with me 100% that something is a problem and should change, or your a racist, sexist, bigot who needs to be removed from the industry. . Either you agree with me completely on this one game, or your not a real gamer and need to die.

 

The entire situation would have been solved months ago and probably would never have happened if people were completely honest with their motivations. That "you have an opinion I don't agree with, therefore I do not support you" is the main motivation for a lot of this bullshit.

 

But no, obviously anyone who wants gaming or how gaming is talked about to change in some way is a radical feminist who wants all men to die, or a skinhead clansmen who wants to legalize rape.

[SmilesJA]

That's an easy one. Anita or Mackintosh would get torn to shreds in an actual debate setting. It's fairly obvious that neither of them harbour any love for videogames. Anita has been filmed saying as such, and one look at Mackintosh's twitter will tell you that he despises videogames. On the Colbert report, Sarkeesian couldn't even name three games off of the top of her head that were overtly sexist. 

 

Well they're not obligated to have a debate.