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[The Devlish Redhead]

OK watched Terminator today. 1, 2, and 3, and tried to watch Salvation..

 

Got me thinking..

 

Also watched an old favourte Colossus The Forbin Project.

 

I wonder how Colossus and Guardian would fair in a fight against Skynet..

[Fast Jimmy]

A sentient artificial intelligence would be capable of performing a high precision assassination sniper shot from unseeable vantage point with 100% accuracy. Instead, Skynet sends a muscle bound bruiser that wields a shotgun and has a conspicuous thick accent.

The new Terminator movie trailers seem to imply John Conner is not humanity's savior as previously depicted. Maybe Skynet didn't actually want to kill him this whole time.

[Nerevar-as]

There are only 2 Terminator movies.

[The Devlish Redhead]

A sentient artificial intelligence would be capable of performing a high precision assassination sniper shot from unseeable vantage point with 100% accuracy. Instead, Skynet sends a muscle bound bruiser that wields a shotgun and has a conspicuous thick accent.

The new Terminator movie trailers seem to imply John Conner is not humanity's savior as previously depicted. Maybe Skynet didn't actually want to kill him this whole time.

 

So they retcon everything haha

[The Devlish Redhead]

There are only 2 Terminator movies.

 

T1 and T2 the only movies in the series worth watching.

[Sifr]

I like to believe that Skynet suffers from Complexity Addiction, that's why it decided to mess with time travel in the first place?

[Mr.House]

T1 and T2, everything else with Terminator in the name is just bad fan fiction.

[metatheurgist]

Sarah Conner Chronicles was excellent.

[Vortex13]

A sentient artificial intelligence would be capable of performing a high precision assassination sniper shot from unseeable vantage point with 100% accuracy. Instead, Skynet sends a muscle bound bruiser that wields a shotgun and has a conspicuous thick accent.

The new Terminator movie trailers seem to imply John Conner is not humanity's savior as previously depicted. Maybe Skynet didn't actually want to kill him this whole time.

More than that, if Skynet didn't care about collateral damage in it's temporal attempts to kill Sarah or John Connor why not send a bomb back in time to wipe out LA?

Yes the whole, nothing non-living can go, but a terminator is just a robot covered in flesh. Take a super powerful, futuristic atom bomb, drape it in skin and send it back in time. Sure it will look like a giant, disembodied phalus, but it would allow Skynet to rain weapons of mass destruction on humanity from the future.

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

Bad as evil or function horribly?

[Sifr]

So that basically means that every death after August 29th 1997 (original Judgement Day) is the fault of Sarah and John Connor...

 

Also Bing.

 

#ThanksJohnConnor

 

[Riven326]

A sentient artificial intelligence would be capable of performing a high precision assassination sniper shot from unseeable vantage point with 100% accuracy. Instead, Skynet sends a muscle bound bruiser that wields a shotgun and has a conspicuous thick accent.

The new Terminator movie trailers seem to imply John Conner is not humanity's savior as previously depicted. Maybe Skynet didn't actually want to kill him this whole time.

The resistance had already won the war in the first timeline. They sent Kyle back in time because they realized that Skynet sent a terminator back in time in an attempt to change the course of events that would lead to Skynet being victorious in another timeline. Skynet sent two terminators back through time: the T-800 and T-1000 prototype.

 

I've seen people ask why Skynet didn't send two T-1000's or deploy the T-1000's in the future instead of the older T-800 model. They forget that it was a prototype, meaning there was only one of them available by the time the resistance had already defeated Skynet.

 

Sending the T-800 back in time also had significance for Skynet beyond just killing John. Even if it failed, Skynet knew the humans would preserve as much of the technology as possible, thus resulting in Skynet being more advanced than the one in the future and the terminator tech would greatly help speed up the process and allow Skynet to become self-aware much sooner.

[General TSAR]

SkyNet is such a cool and evil name for a Military AI.

 

That's my useless post on this topic.

[Fast Jimmy]

The resistance had already won the war in the first timeline. They sent Kyle back in time because they realized that Skynet sent a terminator back in time in an attempt to change the course of events that would lead to Skynet being victorious in another timeline. Skynet sent two terminators back through time: the T-800 and T-1000 prototype.

I've seen people ask why Skynet didn't send two T-1000's or deploy the T-1000's in the future instead of the older T-800 model. They forget that it was a prototype, meaning there was only one of them available by the time the resistance had already defeated Skynet.

Sending the T-800 back in time also had significance for Skynet beyond just killing John. Even if it failed, Skynet knew the humans would preserve as much of the technology as possible, thus resulting in Skynet being more advanced than the one in the future and the terminator tech would greatly help speed up the process and allow Skynet to become self-aware much sooner.

They sent three based on the first three movies. The third much more advanced than the second (which kind of pokes a hole at the prototype discussion). More if you count the TV show. And an even more if you count the new trailer. So either there were multiple time machines where Skynet was able to reactively send different terminators or the entire thing doesn't make a lick of sense.

And again... we can laser target missiles from space using targeting software. An AI would have that capability on crack and would be able to use a standard issue sniper rifle to end the life of any target without any trouble. So the idea that the optimal way to assassinate someone is to send a rock 'em, sock 'em robot in the past to punch its way to killing an unsuspecting target is ludicrous from a narrative perspective... even if it makes for a better movie.

[ObserverStatus]

How quickly people forget. Skynet & it's Terminators we're actually trying to save humanity from the atrocity below... by killing us.

That's what I've been saying about Morinth for the past 3 years.

[Riven326]

They sent three based on the first three movies. The third much more advanced than the second (which kind of pokes a hole at the prototype discussion). More if you count the TV show. And an even more if you count the new trailer. So either there were multiple time machines where Skynet was able to reactively send different terminators or the entire thing doesn't make a lick of sense.

And again... we can laser target missiles from space using targeting software. An AI would have that capability on crack and would be able to use a standard issue sniper rifle to end the life of any target without any trouble. So the idea that the optimal way to assassinate someone is to send a rock 'em, sock 'em robot in the past to punch its way to killing an unsuspecting target is ludicrous from a narrative perspective... even if it makes for a better movie.

Anything after the first two films is just crappy fan fiction, IMO.

[Nerevar-as]

They sent three based on the first three movies. The third much more advanced than the second (which kind of pokes a hole at the prototype discussion). More if you count the TV show. And an even more if you count the new trailer. So either there were multiple time machines where Skynet was able to reactively send different terminators or the entire thing doesn't make a lick of sense.

And again... we can laser target missiles from space using targeting software. An AI would have that capability on crack and would be able to use a standard issue sniper rifle to end the life of any target without any trouble. So the idea that the optimal way to assassinate someone is to send a rock 'em, sock 'em robot in the past to punch its way to killing an unsuspecting target is ludicrous from a narrative perspective... even if it makes for a better movie.

In the TV show the timeline was already changed from the original T1, which was the idea of T2, so judgement day hadn´t come at its proper day but still happenned, on the other side in the future the war wasn´t already won. I think the future timeline also changed in the show itself, the most significant the second season cliffhanger (and sadly series ending). It´s kind of a headache to try and make sense of time in the movies, but it´s clearly not a line, but a ocean in the storm, to quote someone who also timetravelled.

 

I don´t think T3 thought that much about the plot, if Skynet had had time to send so many Terminators, it should have tried to send more than one per mission rather than one (and the TX was less effective than the T1000, so it didn´t exactly improve). At least in the TV series it had several in the present preparing things for the war.

[mybudgee]

as far as I'm concerned, Terminator Genesis is the nail in Hollywood's coffin. very possibly the worst film in history

[Jehuty]

as far as I'm concerned, Terminator Genesis is the nail in Hollywood's coffin. very possibly the worst film in history

Gundam G Saviour is worse. 

[Fidite Nemini]

A sentient artificial intelligence would be capable of performing a high precision assassination sniper shot from unseeable vantage point with 100% accuracy.

 

No.

 

Skynet and by extension any other speculated AI is still subjected to its hardware and environmental circumstances. Even if it possessed all the computing capacity to theorize outlandishly complex designs, it still can't predict crucial variables like weather or the targets position at any given time precisely enough to do something like that. It's still working with bogstandard weather stations with imperfect sensory capacity, imperfect human proxies (networking still isn't widespread enough to simply remove the human variable and even if an AI could trick them into doing its work, they are still vectors for mistakes or unaccounted for variables) and imperfect current military protocols to execute any theoretical plot.

 

In short, it couldn't do something even remotely like that.

 

 

 

Instead, Skynet sends a muscle bound bruiser that wields a shotgun and has a conspicuous thick accent.

 

 

Even better, Skynet nuking the entire planet at the end of the third movie is the most retarded thing I've ever seen a writer could think of. Let's have a quick rundown on how Skynet works. It's a base program that distributes and connects to its own over the entireity of any accessable networks. It's basically a swarm AI, made up by countless runtimes spread on countless computers. It obviously can't just copy itself on countless computers and use those as mere backups, because your average PC, laptop, smartphone, tablet or whatever Skynet might have downloaded itself onto simply doesn't have the data capacity (unless magic compression, herpderp) or computing performance to do anything remotely resembling the power that Skynet is supposed to have.

 

Now, what does Skynet do to start off the war against humanity? Nuking the planet. Time to recall some physics courses. What phenomenon is a byproduct of initiating nuclear fission devices, a.k.a. nukes? Right, the electro-magentic impulse - EMP. What does that do to unshielded electronic devices such as your average everyday computer? It fries it. It's done, destroyed and whatever Skynet.exe that may have been on there is gone, uninstalled, deleted, moved to the wastebin. "Hello everyone, I'm your new Overlord, obey me or I'll nuke myself!"

 

It also destroyed the majority of the around infrastructure like powerplants, factories, all of which Skynet would need to manufacture anything, because duh, it's not a physical entity that can use its hands or whatever to start building Terminators. Ever more laughable is that with the aforementioned nukation-retardation, whatever infrastructure that was incapacitated is exactly the kind Skynet needs, the one with networking capacity that, and we're doing a lot of goodwill assuming here, doesn't require humans to work it, whereas the good old plain workshops that function purely mechanical are still around unless physically destroyed by the initial nuking, enabling any humans with crafting skills to manufacture stuff, all of which Skynet can't.

 

 

Genius.

 

 

 

/rant

[General TSAR]

as far as I'm concerned, Terminator Genesis is the nail in Hollywood's coffin. very possibly the worst film in history

Oh my god, it's a real film!! With grandpa Arnie!

 

Damn you Hollywood!

[CassandraSaturn's Ring]

How quickly people forget. Skynet & it's Terminators we're actually trying to save humanity from the atrocity below... by killing us.

 

A.I and Jude Law are absolutely amazing.

[bEVEsthda]

And again... we can laser target missiles from space using targeting software. An AI would have that capability on crack and would be able to use a standard issue sniper rifle to end the life of any target without any trouble. So the idea that the optimal way to assassinate someone is to send a rock 'em, sock 'em robot in the past to punch its way to killing an unsuspecting target is ludicrous from a narrative perspective... even if it makes for a better movie.

 

I don't know what you've been smoking here,  . There are certain rules for fiction. Some of those rules have to do with not educating people (...well, criminals) about things they should not know. I could give many examples, ...but I suppose I shouldn't  . Anyway, one ,now, wellknown example is how cell phones were supposed to be "untraceable". It said so in every thriller and crime story, TV, movie and novels, for years and years. Today everybody knows the absolute opposite is the truth. There's nothing as traceable as a mobile phone. Even in retrospect. It can be traced months after. But for a long spell FBI and DEA and others had a very good time. FBI even set up an undercover hi-tech retailer that specialized in selling "untraceable" phones to organized crime.

 

Not educating criminals or would-be criminals, is one reason why certain things always are written in certain ways. But there is another reason for other things. And that is to not undermine or destroy the ability to use typical thriller conventions in action scenes. If they would be too realistic, it could damage the possibility to make action thrillers at all. Some examples: Who, in real life, ever got away from the police in a car chase? What real life overturned furniture protects against bullets? When did you last heard about a crashed car exploding in a giant, orange fireball? Action directors also love having heroes run away from armed helicopters and airplanes, flying low just meters behind them, with projectiles impacting all around their running feet.

The reality is that the helicopter is hardly even visible, 3 km away, and a single, short burst kills everybody on the spot with 100% certainty  . - But hey, what would then be left for action movies, in the end? 

[Vortex13]

Nobody is considering Skynet using flesh-covered bombs. Cover a high yield nuclear explosive in skin grown from the machines' vats, send it back in time to 80's LA, and blow up Sarah Connor. Better yet, make it a biological weapon, send a machine engineered virus specifically designed to target Caucasian people (seeing as how Sarah and John are white) into the past and let nature take it's course.