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BioWare's Issue with Elves: The Mighty Whitey Trope in Dragon Age.


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Back in the Solas thread, someone pointed out this tumblr post, which rather irked me.

 

 

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adjectivebearIn which Dorian understands Bioware’s issue with elves better then Bioware.

 

 

 

elyhumanoid: …Except Bioware wrote Dorian, which means they understand completely.

This isn’t something that they just overlooked or forgot about, guys. The tragedy of the elves themselves knowing so incredibly little about their own history has been a huge plot point since Origins. 

 

An elven Warden can (and Velanna does) lament the fact that elven children don’t know any stories about elven heroes. It is explicitly stated that the Dalish pepper their speech with as many Elvish words as they can because they are desperately trying to keep hold of their language, a language even their Keepers know precious little of.

 

So, while it would be awfully nice if Thedas were the sort of place where a past Dalish companion could take the place of Morrigan in Inquisition, or where a Dalish Inquisitor can “show Morrigan what’s what” at the Temple of Mythal (not counting the “Who is this Mythal?” dialogue glitch, which they have acknowledged as, in fact, a glitch), it isn’t. You know why? Because the Dalish have no way of knowing what Morrigan knows. All they know of their own history is what’s been passed down through the ages, which, as we learn from Solas and Abelas–people who were actually there at the time–is woefully inaccurate.

 

 

 

Except that BioWare wrote the Dalish the same way they wrote Dorian.

 

They could have written it so that at least some elven character/s, through some special circumstances, were able to learn the things that Morrigan learns. But they didn't. They chose to portray modern elves (particularly the Dalish) as being somehow so woefully incapable (through culture, circumstance, and even personal gumption) of discovering anything significant about their past, while human characters like Morrigan are somehow able to search for and learn more about elven lore and technology better than any elves can.

 

Don't believe me? Keep reading.

 

Morrigan, on the other hand, was raised by Mythal. She learned this stuff from the source, and evenshe still doesn’t know everything, just more than the Dalish possibly could. And since Asha’bellanar seems pretty tight with the Dalish in DA2 and The Stolen Throne, one can only assume Mythal was playing that **** close to the vest for a reason.


“But why couldn’t Mythal have picked an elven vessel?” you ask. Good question: why didn’t she? Was Flemeth the living being she felt the strongest connection to? Did she have some reason to actively avoid choosing an elven vessel? She was murdered, after all–did her own people turn on her for some reason? The only thing you can be certain of is that the answer damn sure isn’t “Bioware hates elves.”

 

 

Except that BioWare keeps putting human characters in situations where they learn more about and utilize ancient elven knowledge, magic, and technology better than the elves do.

 

Not just an elven goddess choosing a human host with human daughters rather than elven ones (though that does irk me), but in fairly average human characters portrayed as being able to reconstruct elven lore, language, and technology much more quickly and easily than modern elven characters in similar situations. (Not counting Solas or Abelas, since they're ancient elves who lived it.)

 

In the Witch Hunt DLC, the Warden learns that Morrigan has stolen a Dalish book on the Eluvian. Ariane is a Dalish warrior sent to reclaim the book, but doesn't know what Eluvian means, and so can't guess what Morrigan would use it for. So, she suggests going to the Circle where the book was stolen by a runaway elf who joined the Dalish.

 

There, we meet Finn, a human Circle mage who has read the book and is able to quickly guess that eluvian is an ancient elvish word that means "mirror," much to the shock of a flabbergasted Ariane. What's more, he quickly figures out how they can find the Eluvian that Morrigan is activating, and leads the way while Ariane merely follows along and donates her blood once they get there.

 

Apparently a sheltered Andrastian human mage is able to reconstruct the elven language and utilize elven lore and technology more quickly, easily, and effortlessly than the elven character, despite her people having dedicated their whole culture to learning such things for centuries. 

 

And don't even get me started on how the construction of said Eluvian is treated:

 

When human mage Morrigan reconstructs an Eluvian, she is treated as knowing exactly what she's doing.

 

When elven mage Merrill tries to reconstruct an Eluvian, she is treated as messing with powers too great for her to understand. (And needing Mighty Whitey Human Hawke to talk her down and save her from herself; to keep the poor simple native from activating technology too power for her to control, despite how it is her people's technology, and she has done her research, and she should know what she's doing better than a human character who knows next to nothing about ancient elven or Dalish lore.)

 

For God’s sake, an elven god has been guiding the player characters’ steps since day one, a second elven god appears to have some world-changing plans in the works, and Inquisition largely revolves around the player discovering more about elven history than we’ve been shown in the past. Elves are, in fact, turning out to be the most important race in the series.

 

 

Yeah, and the elven god chose a human host (Flemeth) rather than an elven one, chose a human daughter to pass her spark of godhood onto rather than an elven daughter (and Creators only know how many more before her, if the bodies Flemeth inhabit were indeed other daughters like Morrigan claims), said human daughter knows more about elven history than any modern elves do (not counting ancient elves who were there like Solas and Abelas), is shown to activate ancient elven technology without a hitch whereas an elven character that tried to do the same thing in DA2 (Merrill) was treated as messing with powers too great for her to understand, and--oh yeah, the "player character's steps" she "has been guiding since day one" were all written with HUMAN protagonists in mind!

 

The whole thing reeks of the Mighty Whitey Trope, since Dragon Age's Andrastian humans are "coded" European Christians and Elven characters are "coded" indigenous/minority people (Jews, Gypsies, Afro-Native Americans, etc). The whole thing plays out as coded European Christian characters quickly learning more about and mastering coded indigenous/minority knowledge, technology, etc better than they can. An elven goddess prefers a human host and daughters, one of said human daughters quickly masters elven lore and technology better than any modern elven characters do, and the protagonists they help along (who each also learn more about elven technology than most elven characters do) were all written to be human in mind.

 

Elves may turn out to be "the most important race in the series," but if human characters consistently figure out, snap up, and use elven knowledge and technology better than elves can, while the elves' fate are passively moved around by the human players and have little to no agency over their own history, culture, legacy, and future, then it is indeed depowering and problematic.

 

Bring on the White Man's Burden! Apparently elves need human characters to figure out their history, lore, and technology for them, and to save them from their woes because apparently they aren't smart or capable enough to learn their own lore, utilize their own technology, or influence their own future without human assistance. The way things have been written so far, apparently humans are so superior that they can master not only their own knowledge and technology, but also the elves' culture, knowledge, and technology better than the elves can.

 

And that is why I believe that Dorian indeed understands BioWare's issues with elves better than BioWare does. (Paying lip service to acknowledging the issue doesn't erase the issue.)


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I don't see an issue with Elves


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When elven mage Merrill tries to reconstruct an Eluvian, she is treated as messing with powers too great for her to understand. (And needing Mighty Whitey Human Hawke to talk her down and save her from herself; to keep the poor simple native from activating technology too power for her to control, despite how it is her people's technology, and she has done her research, and she should know what she's doing better than a human character who knows next to nothing about ancient elven or Dalish lore.)

 

I would disagree with this interpretation of Merrill and Hawke's relationship.  I got the impression Hawke was trying to get Merrill to stop using blood magic which Hawke is canonically pretty against (I know there's a blood magic spec, but the game itself gives very little chance to be pro-blood magic and DAI confirms that Hawke hates it).  The eluvian would've lead to Merrill's death or possession by a demon.  Hawke wasn't wrong in trying to stop her.

 

The rest of your post raises some really good points, though.


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Huh. Interesting read, at the beginning I was quite sceptical but yes, you make a lot of good points.

That said though...

1. Christian? Neither Morrigan nor Flemeth are Andrastians (the Andrastian faith possibly being symbolic for Christianity).

2. I always thought that the DA universe brought a fresh take on elves, considering that elves have traditionally been blowing humans out of the water physically, mentally, culturally, and magically, not just since Tolkien.

3. Why would a god care about the body s/he'd use to walk around on earth? We also don't know what other bodies Flemeth may have used in the past; considering that she reportedly selects her daughters according to their magical potential, potential Firsts may well have been among them. In any case, I'm not aware of any indication that she is 'actively avoiding' elven vessels.

4. There have been examples of particularly powerful elves capable of feats unreplicated by humans. Both prominent Keepers come to mind -- Zathrian who developed a curse so powerful it not only granted him immortality, it also bound a very powerful spirit to this world and lycanised a large number of humans over generations; and Marethari who was able to send Hawke into the Fade *without* the large quantities of Lyrium Circle mages would have needed.

All in all, I'm not so sure how solid the point is. If I had to choose my favourite elven lore, I'd rather pick the awesomeness that Tolkien described (albeit laced with sadness about the diminishing) than the elves in the DA universe who have to live in poverty and ignorance without much hope to remedy either. The latter situation, however, also opens the way for a return to greatness, and I think DA is actually heading that way. So maybe your post is partly prophetic ;)
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It's almost like Thedas is not a fair place.

Crazy that.


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Considering how Elven culture was utterly wrecked in the Fall of Arlathan, then completely misremembered in the Dales, I'm not surprised that they know almost nothing about themselves.

As far as Morrigan vs. Merrill goes, Morrigan is smart enough not to deal with demons in her attempts to attain her goals. Merrill, on the other hand, deals with a demon and gets neck deep in blood magic. If it weren't for Hawke and Marethari, she would be dead or possessed. Also, as far as I know, the eluvian Morrigan fixes wasn't tainted like Merrill's was.
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I would disagree with this interpretation of Merrill and Hawke's relationship.  I got the impression Hawke was trying to get Merrill to stop using blood magic which Hawke is canonically pretty against (I know there's a blood magic spec, but the game itself gives very little chance to be pro-blood magic and DAI confirms that Hawke hates it).  The eluvian would've lead to Merrill's death or possession by a demon.  Hawke wasn't wrong in trying to stop her.
 
The rest of your post raises some really good points, though.


More importantly, Hawke isn't obligated to try and stop her. Mine helped her because why not...and curiosity.
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Bioware has always been very human centric and have an immense hard on for humans. Just look at Mass Effect for example. 



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More importantly, Hawke isn't obligated to try and stop her. Mine helped her because why not...and curiosity.

 

True.  I usually go rival with her so I hadn't really considered that.



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Bioware has always been very human centric and have an immense hard on for humans. Just look at Mass Effect for example.


Might be because BW developers and customers are all humans? Might want to take it up with their diversity rep though, just to be sure.

Also, I really don't know about ME -- true, you couldn't play the main campaign as a Turian, Salarian or Asari (or Volus!), but all these races were lovingly crafted. Furthermore, humanity was shown as having a LOT of dark spots, possibly more so than any other race except the obvious competitors (Vorcha/Batarians/Reapers, if they can be called a 'race'). I think you're exaggerating.
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Hmmm... Nope, not really seeing it.

 

Well, I mean, I am. I just don't view it so negatively? Are the elves downtrodden and tragic and lost? Yes, but that's rather the point, isn't it? Would having everyone in Thedas start on an even playing field and play fair really be as interesting? I like that I can slowly uncover ancient elven lore in these games, and I like the fact that, as so much of it is lost to time or warped, it all has become kind of... convoluted, and full of possibility. It's interesting! And what with the revelations in DA:I, it seems like it's all coming to a head, which is rather exciting, no? The elves are like Thedas's sociological underdog for the moment. And as Terodil pointed out, it's all a rather nice way to turn the whole all-knowing-elves trope on its head.

 

As for Morrigan, treating her like some regular ol' human being is a bit unfair, I think. Because she isn't. And though she may know more than most elves do about their own lore and history, I'm sure the same could be said for her knowledge of humanity. Morrigan knows stuff. Rather obvious side benefit of having Flemythal for a mother, I would think!


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Huh. Interesting read, at the beginning I was quite sceptical but yes, you make a lot of good points.

That said though...

1. Christian? Neither Morrigan nor Flemeth are Andrastians (the Andrastian faith possibly being symbolic for Christianity).

4. There have been examples of particularly powerful elves capable of feats unreplicated by humans. Both prominent Keepers come to mind -- Zathrian who developed a curse so powerful it not only granted him immortality, it also bound a very powerful spirit to this world and lycanised a large number of humans over generations; and Marethari who was able to send Hawke into the Fade *without* the large quantities of Lyrium Circle mages would have needed.

 

1. Im not actually sure about that because of this

 

4. Might be because elves are likely still more magically inclined. That said, with all the powerful magic some elves can use, they still haven't managed to recover much of their lore. I mean

Spoiler

 

Sorry got a little off there, but I'm really just trying to point out that elves seem to be conveniently incapable of consistently being elves. Its like they, as a race, are infused with some sort of crazy blood magic that makes them conveniently forget everything about being an elf (talking about dalish in particular here) at times to make the plot more easily coherent. Maybe Sera just got hit extra hard by it and that's why she's really being not-elfy yet also elfier than she wants to admit. :P



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3. Why would a god care about the body s/he'd use to walk around on earth? We also don't know what other bodies Flemeth may have used in the past; considering that she reportedly selects her daughters according to their magical potential, potential Firsts may well have been among them. In any case, I'm not aware of any indication that she is 'actively avoiding' elven vessels.

I agree and wanted to add to this. Is it crazy to think that Mythal doesn't care so much about her genetic people, as her cultural people? Solas certainly seems to make that distinction if you ask why he isn't particularly attached to the dalish. The more important aspect seems to be the preservation of knowledge (and of herself). She chose Flemeth because they were alike, not because she had pointed ears. "She was betrayed, as I was betrayed!" Just curious, would you also find it odd if Mythal chose a male host?

 

Edit: That last question is for the OP, not Terodil, sorry.


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Elves are definitely going through a lot of oppression. Nobody doubts that. But I think people are misunderstanding your post and not seeing that it's about humans constantly upstaging elves with their own heritage, not the fact that they're oppressed 'cause that's something that's already plain and clear. And I have to admit—it is an insidious inclusion of tropes we always see in stories similar to Pocahontas and Avatar. Hopefully this is something BW will give more attention to.


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I agree and wanted to add to this. Is it crazy to think that Mythal doesn't care so much about her genetic people, as her cultural people? Solas certainly seems to make that distinction if you ask why he isn't particularly attached to the dalish. The more important aspect seems to be the preservation of knowledge (and of herself). She chose Flemeth because they were alike, not because she had pointed ears. "She was betrayed, as I was betrayed!" Just curious, would you also find it odd if Mythal chose a male host?

and with the whole being murdered (most likely by and elf) thing she might not be particularly fond of her people right now.

 

As a quick side note, how do spoiler tags work now? i haven't been around in a few months (Inquisition and I had a falling out) and everyone was still particularly edgy about spoilers back then. Is it cool If I don't spoiler tag things unless the topic/forum specifically says no spoilers now, or should I still tag things to be safe?



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1. Im not actually sure about that because of this

I like how Gaider doesn't go into any more detail about what she is. And by that, I mean I don't like it at all! He may have written her, but there were indications she is an atheist and no indications she's not. I'm thoroughly confused by this. This is why you discuss your lore here, not on twitter with a 140-character limit.


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I like how Gaider doesn't go into any more detail about what she is. And by that, I mean I don't like it at all! He may have written her, but there were indications she is an atheist and no indications she's not. I'm thoroughly confused by this. This is why you discuss your lore here, not on twitter with a 140-character limit.

 

He once said in an interview that no one is truly atheist in Thedas, which kinda makes sense given how there's so many deities in the setting someone is gonna believe in something



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and with the whole being murdered (most likely by and elf) thing she might not be particularly fond of her people right now.

 

As a quick side note, how do spoiler tags work now? i haven't been around in a few months (Inquisition and I had a falling out) and everyone was still particularly edgy about spoilers back then. Is it cool If I don't spoiler tag things unless the topic/forum specifically says no spoilers now, or should I still tag things to be safe?

That too, and I'm sure it has helped her stay mysterious appearing as a human, and not an elf.

 

I would only put spoiler tags in the Scuttlebutt (No Spoilers), Combat and Strategy, Customization or Multiplayer sections, and only for really big things. That's me, though.



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Elves are definitely going through a lot of oppression. Nobody doubts that. But I think people are misunderstanding your post and not seeing that it's about humans constantly upstaging elves with their own heritage, not the fact that they're oppressed 'cause that's something that's already plain and clear. And I have to admit—it is an insidious inclusion of tropes we always see in stories similar to Pocahontas and Avatar. Hopefully this is something BW will give more attention to.

 

Actually humans never master much of the Old Elven empire , Tevinter stole from it but the Eluvians for example?

They never managed to make them work.

Morrigan did , and Briala.One is an elf ...and Morrigan was taught by an Elven Goddess.

 

Tevinter who stole the most from the elves crashed and burned.And the current Andrastian aren't pillaging Elven knowledge , the Chantry is anti magic , the Elven Empire was all yeah! magic everywhere.



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He once said in an interview that no one is truly atheist in Thedas, which kinda makes sense given how there's so many deities in the setting someone is gonna believe in something

This thread contests that point of view. It's worth the read.


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On Morrigan: Agnostic, perhaps? Wouldn't surprise me.

 

Or maybe she believes in something else entirely. Titans? XD

 

 

I wouldn't say humans upstaged the elves. In terms of accomplishment, they have yet to create anything I can think of that can rival what we've seen the elves achieve. Eluvians, the Crossroads, the orbs, etc, etc. Humans may have taken some of their creations and managed to learn enough about them to use them, but that's quite different than being able to create such things themselves. What they did, it was more like... pillaged. They pillaged. And I don't think Dragon Age ever points at that whole ordeal and says "good thing." xD


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This thread contests that point of view. It's worth the read.

 

I know of the thread, but I personally wouldn't count the PC because of them being an Avatar. As for the rest of Thedas even if they don't believe in the Maker they most likely believe in the other deities or some form of higher power



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Oh my dear god. Oh my ****** dear god. You're really claiming Bioware had bias to European-White types to hate on others? Oh my god. This is the funniest ****** post I've ever seen in my entire life. You put so much effort into it, but it still sounds like a major trollpost.


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I know of the thread, but I personally wouldn't count the PC because of them being an Avatar. As for the rest of Thedas even if they don't believe in the Maker they most likely believe in the other deities or some form of higher power

I get your point, but if the PC can be, it would be weird if literally no one else could. While it does seem to be a human tendency to "fill-in-the-blanks" of knowledge with supernatural entities (just look at real life cultures), that has never stopped people from disbelieving, even if they've always been outnumbered. In Thedas, things we consider supernatural (demons, etc) are part of the natural world, and nothing of note. Not to mention that it's almost been confirmed that the elven "gods" aren't even gods.



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Oh my dear god. Oh my ****** dear god. You're really claiming Bioware had bias to European-White types to hate on others? Oh my god. This is the funniest ****** post I've ever seen in my entire life. You put so much effort into it, but it still sounds like a major trollpost.

Read the links. It's a trope. If they trope was called something else, the OP would still have linked it.