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I've had this fear for a long time. That Bioware's going to eventually shut its doors and we won't see characters like Alistair, Morrigan, Leliana, Garrus, Tali, Liara, James Vega and all the rest ever again. This fear has been clawing at me for a while now.

 

See, I always felt that the 'Bioware approach' i.e. have an extensive character creator to allow any player avatar be made available to the player was the ideal model. If you wanted to play a straight male, fine. If you wanted to play a gay woman, fine. And the game acknowledges it and customized the play experience to your own setting. I thought this would be the solution to solve the 'diversity problem' a lot of games had at the time. 

 

Now, I'm not so certain. There's been so much controversy and anger surrounding the gaming culture that I'm concerned. Back in 2006 when Fox News tried to smear Mass Effect's name with the "Sexbox" controversy, we seemed to be a united front, stopping the forces from tearing us down and letting Bioware express what they wanted to express. But, when the Steve Cortez controversy came up, there seemed to be a massive divide cropping up and separating the fanbase. Those who used to be our allies now became our loudest opponents. 

 

"But that's okay," I thought. "We're pro-diversity! Even if the gaming community doesn't make us chart-toppers, we'll still be loved by the progressive community and surely these supposed feminists and social justice warriors will have our backs!"

 

Not so.

 

http://gaygamer.net/...ility-in-games/

 

(Keep in mind this post was made before Inquisition's release and thus the character of Krem was not introduced yet). 

 

 

 

First of all, we need only consider that the only transgender characters in the Dragon Age series thus far are a sex worker in a brothel whose name tag is “’Female’ Dwarf”, a sex worker named Serendipity (who was actually envisioned by the team as “more of a drag queen”), and a woman who appears in the Dragon Age novels who is described with the biologically-essentialist phrasing “fully female with the exception of her biology”. Although this doesn’t negate the interesting, encouraging and positive portrayals of other LGB+ characters elsewhere in the series – and may actually be improved with the release of Dragon Age: Inquisition – it does complicate the idea that the way LGBTQ+ people are represented in Bioware games is inherently or categorically progressive when it falls prey to the same cissexist and transphobic tropes that real-world activism often does – LGB, with a silent “T”.

 

Even now, a lot of the progressive community says that Bioware IS part of the problem and because of their position, they should be doing more. (Even though Bioware's one of the few, if only, developers who will give LGBT characters a voice when so much of the mainstream industry is playing it safe and not rocking the boat.) Meanwhile, "true gamers" are leaving Bioware behind because they think the progressive agenda is far too prominent and that gay male characters such as Steve Cortez or Dorian Pavus are being "forced down the player's throats" even though those character's romances are optional.

 

Meanwhile, Bioware and EA continue making policies such as micro-transactions, Day 1 and on-disc DLC and DRM, alienating a lot of the fanbase. 

 

Worst of all? There's been this talk of another video game crash of the AAA industry and I can't help but feel that Bioware's going to be in the middle of it all if or when the industry comes tumbling down.

 

 

(Relevant part starts at 7:41)

 

When I watch that video, I can't help but 'group' Bioware with the AAA industry even though as far as diversity goes, Bioware's doing such a great job where no one else will.

 

I thought that being mainstream and pro-diversity would be the best of both worlds. But instead, Bioware games are too 'diverse friendly' for a lot of the vocal gaming community while the progressive community, who I always assumed would have Bioware's back, is also pointing fingers at Bioware, preferring titles such as Gone Home in its place. 

 

https://twitter.com/...395999272927233

 

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What really kills me is that Bioware is one of the few, if only, developers to go to bat for diversity. I've never been more prouder of a company that's willing to defend its creative decisions when it comes to queer characters and even go the extra mile for some of its fans. If the rest of the AAA industry would be willing to do this, would be willing to make a statement, I would feel a lot better about this situation. But, there's this possibility that if Bioware goes, we lose the diversity friendly games we have. That'd make me very sad.

 

http://www.lazygamer...riage-proposal/

 

Is this the end? Is Bioware too mainstream for indie lovers and too diverse for mainstream gamers? In trying to appeal to all audiences, they've succeeded in shying them away?

 

Are these Bioware's last moments? 


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The world is a much bigger place than twitter comments and youtubers, i'm not worried.


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I don't like to call people names, but I do think you are being a bit of a drama queen. If you really do see a problem then you can always try making something different.



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One other thing, no matter how hard you try, you will upset someone somewhere. Just look at the recent Mortal Kombat X. There were people railing in on the developers for allowing male fighters to beat up female fighters. Had they not included female fighters, people will complain about the developers being sexist for excluding female characters and so on.

 

As a side note: the world influences what we write and what we make, less so the other way around. Because not everything everyone makes has to be some kind of ground-breaking revolution that changes the face of the planet. It simply can't.



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"The overwhelming majority of games have violence at core"

 

Yeah, because violence is the foundation that humanity built its existence upon. Durr.

 

If you want games to change that dynamic, change that dynamic in human society first.


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Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

 

Personally, I think BioWare should take a page from Rocksteady concerning Mainstream-ness:

 

 

Founder of Rocksteady and director of Arkham Knight, Sefton Hill has a pretty interesting set of responses regarding Arkham Knight in this IGN article: http://www.ign.com/a...-at-his-darkest  The article is worth reading and it makes me respect Rocksteady even more.
 
One potential downside to earning an M rating is that nobody under 17 years old can buy the game without the help of an adult. Hill was aware of this, but he said keeping the game "mass market" wasn't the correct solution.
 
"I'm not blind to the fact that [the M rating] does mean some fans will miss out... I don't want to be oblivious to that fact. It would have been wrong to water down the game and deliver a story we didn't believe in to keep the game "mass market" or enable it for more people. We feel that's the wrong way to go about it. We said we love the story and we don't want to jepoardize that."
 

"The overwhelming majority of games have violence at core"

 

Yeah, because violence is the foundation that humanity built its existence upon. Durr.

 

If you want games to change that dynamic, change that dynamic in human society first.

I know right? Human beings have been violent creatures at the core ever since one ape slapped another.



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Who cares about BioWare? It's just another cog in the game industry machine. I'm not wishing for its downfall or anything but if it eventually has its doors closed it's not the end of the world. You're overestimating the games as some kind of special, one of a kind deal that only they can, have, and will provide.



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^Plz, people don't punch/stab/slap each other anymore. They have a road-rage, join hashtag armies, or sue each other. Or all of that.



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Lol @ anyone taking Mcintosh seriously. 


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This is all overly dramatic. The world is much larger than Twitter/YouTube, the progressive community, and a few angry people complaining about Cortez/Dorian on internet forums. All of that combined is a vast minority of people who are actually playing video games like Mass Effect and Dragon Age.

 

Dragon Age Inquisition was quite successful despite complaints, and here's hoping that EA has learned if it gives BioWare time to do their thing it turns out a lot better than if they rush them to finish and get it out the door.

 

The internet tends to act as an amplifier to make it seem like more people care about your issue than actually do.

 

You should also probably ignore comments like the McIntosh one. The overwhelming majority of our entertainment is violence focused and in Canada/USA at least, showing violence is considered far more acceptable than having a naked person on screen.

 

That speaks far more volumes than our video games being violent. We're a violent species.



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That speaks far more volumes than our video games being violent. We're a violent species.

 

But... but we only get smarter from violence. We come up with more creative ways to end a fellow earthling's life and then we apply it to hair dressing or something.



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LOL, what a henpecked n00b. 



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Lol @ anyone taking Mcintosh seriously. 

 

You guys sure he isn't just joking or trolling? Sorry if I am a bit out of touch with these kinds of thing.



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You guys sure he isn't just joking or trolling? Sorry if I am a bit out of touch with these kinds of thing.

 

He's serious.


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I like rockstar. They've stuck to their principles since day one and by their way of thinking anyone who doesn't like them can **** off.


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You guys sure he isn't just joking or trolling? Sorry if I am a bit out of touch with these kinds of thing.

Deadly serious.He's Anita Sarkeesian's boyfriend, and the writer behind FemFreq.

 

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Coincidence?


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This is the internet people are going to look for fault with anything created.  There are always going to be people that are saying a developer is going to far or not far enough.  BioWare isn't losing anyone to be honest and a lot of this is "the sky is falling" type of posting and looking for the negatives instead of the positives people are posting at the same time.



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^Plz, people don't punch/stab/slap each other anymore. They have a road-rage, join hashtag armies, or sue each other. Or all of that.

 

also now that all the important coutries (the ones that can crush 90% of the world like a bug) all have nukes now = M.A.D. Not sure if that means the world is less violent though, we have had an awful lot of small wars since WWII.



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Deadly serious.He's Anita Sarkeesian's boyfriend, and the writer behind FemFreq.

 

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Coincidence?

Mouthpiece as f*ck.


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The sad truth is people who complain about equality don't understand what they want, don't take this the wrong way though.

I believe every one should have the same rights as each other and should be treated equally and not be subject to hatred for their skin color, sexual orientation, or whatever. It's stupid how that's not a thing.

But the door swing both ways.

If a Game developer want a generic Action Genre Hero Guy in their game for the lead. They have every right to do that. They shouldn't get scrutiny for a lack of "Representation" because there are 7 billion people out there. Chances are you'll skip one group eventually.

 

In short, make the thing you want to make. Because people are fickle jerks who will find any old thing to find issue with.


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The sad truth is people who complain about equality don't understand what they want, don't take this the wrong way though.

I believe every one should have the same rights as each other and should be treated equally and not be subject to hatred for their skin color, sexual orientation, or whatever. It's stupid how that's not a thing.

But the door swing both ways.

If a Game developer want a generic Action Genre Hero Guy in their game for the lead. They have every right to do that. They shouldn't get scrutiny for a lack of "Representation" because there are 7 billion people out there. Chances are you'll skip one group eventually.

 

In short, make the thing you want to make. Because people are fickle jerks who will find any old thing to find issue with.

 

Nice avatar.


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The world is a much bigger place than twitter comments and youtubers, i'm not worried.

 

Not much bigger than Movieblob there though.


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Nice avatar.

Thanks Prince.

Going to Age of Ultron today. Pretty excited.

So Iron Man avi.


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Thanks Prince.

Going to Age of Ultron today. Pretty excited.

So Iron Man avi.

 

Iron Man somehow is misogynistic. I don't know how. I'll ask the internet. Nah wait, wrong m word.

 

Mainstream. Thats the one.


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I like rockstar. They've stuck to their principles since day one and by their way of thinking anyone who doesn't like them can **** off.

Agreed.

 

That's a good example of a developer not giving a damn what SJWs think and just doing what they do best.


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