Iron Man somehow is misogynistic. I don't know how. I'll ask the internet. Nah wait, wrong m word.
Mainstream. Thats the one.
What do you mean? Tumblr feminists love the MCU!
Except for when Spider-Man got added to the schedule and pushed back Captain Marvel and Black Panther a little bit (Which is good for Black Panther, now it's not going head to head with Justice League)
I liked Biowares style. I play games to play games, but I kind of feel Bioware is starting to be more about social issues and movies/stories than playing a game. Perhaps soon they will become like Pixar or something. That's not to say their games don't offer a lot of gameplay. I just feel as its not the focus anymore and is more like "oh yeah you need some of this too"
The sad truth is people who complain about equality don't understand what they want, don't take this the wrong way though.
I believe every one should have the same rights as each other and should be treated equally and not be subject to hatred for their skin color, sexual orientation, or whatever. It's stupid how that's not a thing.
But the door swing both ways.
If a Game developer want a generic Action Genre Hero Guy in their game for the lead. They have every right to do that. They shouldn't get scrutiny for a lack of "Representation" because there are 7 billion people out there. Chances are you'll skip one group eventually.
In short, make the thing you want to make. Because people are fickle jerks who will find any old thing to find issue with.
Or even for historical purposes. Warhorse Studios came under fire awhile ago for not having black people in Kingdom Come. Which is a game based on medieval eastern Europe. A lack of 'people of color' would seem natural, considering the time and age.
But I guess historical context means buzz all.
Or even for historical purposes. Warhorse Studios came under fire awhile ago for not having black people in Kingdom Come. Which is a game based on medieval eastern Europe. A lack of 'people of color' would seem natural, considering the time and age.
But I guess historical context means buzz all.
History needs to be rewritten, too triggering, not enough representation!
I wouldn't take the faux intellectual commentary on video games as indicative of any sort of mainstream view of Bioware or the company, any more than I would take the forum posts here about how it's a fundamental betrayal of everything that made DA:O great an indicative of the mainstream.
As with movies, when massively consumed media is a bit of a lightning rod for commentary.
As to the Serendipity point, well, there was a problem with how he was portrayed (and it's a he, since Bioware is on record as trying to write a drag queen) because of the way some of the scenes were handled (especially in Mark of the Assassin). There's a gulf between "what we what to do" and "what we did" that's always going to be open to legitimate criticism.
But as a general rule, if someone is using the world "cis-anything" and you're not reading about it in a proper academic journal, I wouldn't give much weight to the commentary beyond "this person's opinion".
Beyond that, pretty much all of the Bioware characters you list are consistent with Bioware's progressive message. For example, Morrigan is defined by her independence - her romance is about telling a guy he can either give up his life to live it her way, or **** off. That's pretty much the same trope as Cassandra, though they're obvious different characters.
So I don't see where the issue is here.
I liked Biowares style. I play games to play games, but I kind of feel Bioware is starting to be more about social issues and movies/stories than playing a game. Perhaps soon they will become like Pixar or something. That's not to say their games don't offer a lot of gameplay. I just feel as its not the focus anymore and is more like "oh yeah you need some of this too"
I feel like that's a bigger issue with developers listening to fans too much, ie: Mass Effect fans aren't really sure of what they want from a new game and Bioware is damned no matter what they do. Really the best option is for them to ignore most of us and just be as creative as possible and do what they want.
Or even for historical purposes. Warhorse Studios came under fire awhile ago for not having black people in Kingdom Come. Which is a game based on medieval eastern Europe. A lack of 'people of color' would seem natural, considering the time and age.
But I guess historical context means buzz all.
Reminds me of the controversy of Flags of our Fathers from that idiot Spike Lee.
Reminds me of the controversy of Flags of our Fathers from that idiot Spike Lee.
Or people trying to slam Spielberg for not portraying U.S. marines in 'The Pacific' as heroes but as desperate soldiers trying to survive hell. There were people who genuinely tried to do something about this because the marines were racist, cold hearted killers (as anyone would in a situation like that).
No. It's too SJW-ish.
It has been for years.
Cisquisition pretty much solidified Bioware's massive casualization of their series; imagine that once upon a time Dragon Age was supposed to follow in the footsteps of early-2000s hardcore RPGs, yet today we have games like Inquis. Its mainstream popularity and overbearing control from EA has led Bioware to abandon quality, care for the fans, or any kind of effort at making a hardcore RPG again, to simply making extremely casualized CoD-esque gameplay centered around multiplayer and DLC, with a linear storyline devoid of good characterization, writing, or fun quests, all dumbed down to the lowest common denominator and laden with pandering to social justice warriors, third-wave feminists, and progressivist liberal agendas. It's become more of a marketing tool than a game at this point as Bioware relentlessly tries to gather the worst demographic out there, whilst leaving others who wanted more, who wanted better, completely out in the cold.
It's why I don't have faith in ME4 at all. For all we know it's going to be another hyper-casualized game with day-one microtransaction DLC, and a singleplayer campaign where all the squadmates are gay transsexuals and all the bad guys are white men and all the NPCs are Afro-American aliens; and all of them act like they're written by a 12 year old, or a hyper-liberal with Marxist leanings whom is allergic to free thought and free speech. Then you'll have combat that goes by at the speed of light, no more tactics or pausing or even abilities, and definitely no hit detection or fun bosses; tack on quests where everyone you meet is a lesbian who wants you to gather 4x (insert generic item here) and that's it. On top of all that will be subpar graphics on a subpar engine with subpar voice acting and everything universally stripped during production so the starved ****ing wolves of EA Corporate can bleed us for a few more hundred dollars in DLC.
Bioware's RPGs are dead, and the soulless husk of Inquisition proves it more than DA:2 or ME3 ever could. We live in a time when psychotic fools like Sarkeesian or Quinn control what people think, when Cultural Marxism and Liberalism are more popular than ever, where Twitter and Tumblr serve as massive and "serious" social fronts. A society where free speech is quickly dying, replaced by the evil trash of political correctness and "diversity", Caucasians be damned, and it's spread to video games rapidly. We couldn't have another Tomb Raider these days without Lara Croft being a homosexual transsexual with a "i dun need no man" attitude, because anything else is misogynist, racist, sexist, bigoted, transphobic, homophobic, and patriarchal.
The death of Bioware and the Bioware RPG is sealed. What is up for debate is what game will end them, and what game will cause the people to finally open their eyes to see the corrupt Cultural Marxist and monetary agenda forced by EA and Bioware execs alike.
Is the argument that Bio's too mainstream, or that it isn't mainstream enough for folks like Jack?
Yeah, but that's kind of what the OP left me feeling too. Though I don't suppose Jack's social views are actually mainstream -- these guys wouldn't be so frantic if they didn't know they'd already lost.I'm not sure what Jack wants is "mainstream" given his post. On the one hand it essentially venerates sticking to genre conventions of the early 2000s (which isn't mainstream). But, on the other hand, it has a lot of strange comments about diversity (against diversity?) being the major (sole?) source of Bioware's decline in quality.
I'm not really sure there is a sensible way to address that complaint.
It has been for years.
Cisquisition
lol
I'll use that word in the future.
Yeah, but that's kind of what the OP left me feeling too. Though I don't suppose Jack's social views are actually mainstream -- these guys wouldn't be so frantic if they didn't know they'd already lost.
Frantic is hardly the word kiddo. A long and intelligent argument is far from being frantic; if you think lying down and letting Liberals stomp on you and take away every freedom you hold dear will work, then yeah, you have already lost. Unless you're one of said Progressive-Liberals, in which case you're well aware of the poison you're spewing on society.
My point was Cisquisition was a byproduct of pandering and dumbing-down of mechanics. Nothing more, nothing less.
Frantic is hardly the word kiddo. A long and intelligent argument is far from being frantic; if you think lying down and letting Liberals stomp on you and take away every freedom you hold dear will work, then yeah, you have already lost. Unless you're one of said Progressive-Liberals, in which case you're well aware of the poison you're spewing on society.
Is this the end? Is Bioware too mainstream for indie lovers and too diverse for mainstream gamers? In trying to appeal to all audiences, they've succeeded in shying them away?
Are these Bioware's last moments?
I don't know how it is in the reality that you inhabit, but in the one most of us live in, private companies can't take away our freedoms by making video games. Nothing in that hyperbole-laden speech even references what exactly is being lost. It doesn't even accurately describe the plot of DAI.
It's a sign of the times to come. If Cisquisition is nothing but social-justice pandering, then clearly social justice is a "big" thing right now, and that will be more catastrophic on society than anything in recent decades.
It's a sign of the times to come. If Cisquisition is nothing but social-justice pandering, then clearly social justice is a "big" thing right now, and that will be more catastrophic on society than anything in recent decades.
Video games, serious business.
If you're worried about BioWare pulling back from LGBT stuff, you shouldn't be. It's a very vocal and active fanbase for them and the writers are probably meditating on any progressive criticism they receive the way Anthony Burch did with Anita Sarkeesian.
I really don't mind it either. Inquisition did it much better than DA2. I do have two issues with these topics in BioWare's games however -
1. The whole subject of homosexuality is so sanitary in Dragon Age. It lacks any substance to it because it's so prevalent and accepted, so when they do something like the Dorian storyline where suddenly it isn't, it just falls flat.
2. It's hamfisted. As soon as I saw and heard Krem for the first time I rolled my eyes. Everything about the character screams tryhard and checking a box.
The problem is, you can't really ever satisfy these kinds of progressive critics because they're never satisfied; they'd be out of a job if they were. The kinds of characters that get the Sarkeesian seal of approval have no character. As soon as they say or do anything, there has to be a way that it's problematic. Critical Theory is the core of their being. Not to mention that a lot of people that live and breathe this kind of constant moral outrage don't actually play games.
It has been for years.
Cisquisition pretty much solidified Bioware's massive casualization of their series; imagine that once upon a time Dragon Age was supposed to follow in the footsteps of early-2000s hardcore RPGs, yet today we have games like Inquis. Its mainstream popularity and overbearing control from EA has led Bioware to abandon quality, care for the fans, or any kind of effort at making a hardcore RPG again, to simply making extremely casualized CoD-esque gameplay centered around multiplayer and DLC, with a linear storyline devoid of good characterization, writing, or fun quests, all dumbed down to the lowest common denominator and laden with pandering to social justice warriors, third-wave feminists, and progressivist liberal agendas. It's become more of a marketing tool than a game at this point as Bioware relentlessly tries to gather the worst demographic out there, whilst leaving others who wanted more, who wanted better, completely out in the cold.
It's why I don't have faith in ME4 at all. For all we know it's going to be another hyper-casualized game with day-one microtransaction DLC, and a singleplayer campaign where all the squadmates are gay transsexuals and all the bad guys are white men and all the NPCs are Afro-American aliens; and all of them act like they're written by a 12 year old, or a hyper-liberal with Marxist leanings whom is allergic to free thought and free speech. Then you'll have combat that goes by at the speed of light, no more tactics or pausing or even abilities, and definitely no hit detection or fun bosses; tack on quests where everyone you meet is a lesbian who wants you to gather 4x (insert generic item here) and that's it. On top of all that will be subpar graphics on a subpar engine with subpar voice acting and everything universally stripped during production so the starved ****ing wolves of EA Corporate can bleed us for a few more hundred dollars in DLC.
Bioware's RPGs are dead, and the soulless husk of Inquisition proves it more than DA:2 or ME3 ever could. We live in a time when psychotic fools like Sarkeesian or Quinn control what people think, when Cultural Marxism and Liberalism are more popular than ever, where Twitter and Tumblr serve as massive and "serious" social fronts. A society where free speech is quickly dying, replaced by the evil trash of political correctness and "diversity", Caucasians be damned, and it's spread to video games rapidly. We couldn't have another Tomb Raider these days without Lara Croft being a homosexual transsexual with a "i dun need no man" attitude, because anything else is misogynist, racist, sexist, bigoted, transphobic, homophobic, and patriarchal.
The death of Bioware and the Bioware RPG is sealed. What is up for debate is what game will end them, and what game will cause the people to finally open their eyes to see the corrupt Cultural Marxist and monetary agenda forced by EA and Bioware execs alike.
I kind of have a slightly different take...
Bioware has been around for 20 years, a fifth of a century, and many of the same people responsible for games back then are still here.
For instance, homosexual relationships were kind of a central point of interest in like the 90s, compared to now the 2010s, where it's kind of just pure chaos, bisexuality, pansexuality, asexuality, pornography, monogamy, polyamory, demisexuality.
Yet if you look at the DA feedback forum they're still fixated on the homosexual KISA, because that's what was a central pillar for the original company, all these other things are just kind of slightly outside what they're able to compress into something understandable.
I don't think there's a sneaky agenda really, rather than saying they've become mainstream by virtue of outside pressures, I'd say simply that what was once edgy has simply over time become more acceptable and mainstream. The world keeps turning but they stand in place...
I mean to be honest I still think Baldur's Gate 1 was the best Bioware game.
to mainstream? what, yah a gaming hipster?
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