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[Lumix19]

It's a hyperbolic comparison, but I thought it was obvious my tongue was firmly in-cheek? The transfer analogy doesn't work, however, since it seems that this transfer happens (or can happen) with children, and there's no option to refuse. Employment laws vary by country, but as far as I know (in my jurisdiction) an employer cannot forcibly uproot you in the same way.

A better example would be a kind of communist allocation of resources.

From each according to his ability, to each according to his need.

[Master Warder Z_]

From each according to his ability, to each according to his need.

I'm unsettled.

[Lumix19]

I'm unsettled.

How come?

[Master Warder Z_]

How come?

I was born in the 70s

It isn't like what it is now.

Some dead ideology propped up by hipsters and fools.

That **** was real.

Those people, those missiles, that flag.

It was a evil to fight.

[Lumix19]

I was born in the 70s

It isn't like what it is now.

Some dead ideology propped up by hipsters and fools.

That **** was real.

Those people, those missiles, that flag.

It was a evil to fight.

Ok.

[Master Warder Z_]

Yup.

You try growing up in Norway were you have a fairly active commie front and it's even worse.

Still it's just a old ache.

Those days are thankfully done.

[Caddius]

Yup.

You try growing up in Norway were you have a fairly active commie front and it's even worse.

Still it's just a old ache.

Those days are thankfully done.

I imagine you're not a fan of the Qunari, then?

[Master Warder Z_]

I imagine you're not a fan of the Qunari, then?

I admire their dedication to their meritocracy, which isn't communism per say and I like their technology, in fact many of the ideas I've pitched in terms of certain futuristic aspects of Thedas have their basis in it.

But to put it simply no.

Their a enemy.

The foreign conquerors riding upon the world.

Their the foemen that Thedas needs to be rid of their drive to dominate the world is competition that Humanity doesn't require.

So no I don't like Qunari.

I think their entire civilization needs to be put to torch.

Preferably were the flames spread to the imperium.

[Lumix19]

I admire their dedication to their meritocracy, which isn't communism per say and I like their technology, in fact many of the ideas I've pitched in terms of certain futuristic aspects of Thedas have their basis in it.

But to put it simply no.

Their a enemy.

The foreign conquerors riding upon the world.

Their the foemen that Thedas needs to be rid of their drive to dominate the world is competition that Humanity doesn't require.

So no I don't like Qunari.

I think their entire civilization needs to be put to torch.

Preferably were the flames spread to the imperium.

I just generally don't like to think of people as "enemies", foreign or not. One World, One People or whatever generic quote or label you'd prefer to stick there. Regardless shall we get back OT? Talking about torching entire civilizations is a tad depressing.

[Master Warder Z_]

I just generally don't like to think of people as "enemies", foreign or not. One World, One People or whatever generic quote or label you'd prefer to stick there. Regardless shall we get back OT? Talking about torching entire civilizations is a tad depressing.

Ironically?

I'd kill them to them to achieve that.

Nothing to unite the common people like a good old fashioned war.

The Qunari brought Orlais, Nevarra, Rivain even the imperium together.

[Addai]

The two annoying ones for me regarding lore is

A) An dalish elf inquisitor asking who mythal was.

Solas contacting a dwarven inquisitor IN A DREAM

The Inquisitor is the one who found him. He's quite startled about it. I assume the mark gives Cadash Fade powers.
 

That's the discrepancy that strikes you most from The Masked Empire? Not the whole eluvian Freedom Train thing for elves, not mentioned at all in the game? Not Morrigan taking the IQ into the Crossroads and, if non-elf, the IQ seeming to be entirely comfortable and not having the upchucks, like in the book? Not Briala getting to the Well of Souls long before everyone else, given what she got in the book?
 
Okay, I'll give you the last one, since for all we know she did get there first and woke up all the sentinels.

Again, could be that the mark makes the Crossroads traversible for the Inquisitor just as they can physically move through the Fade without dying.

[Caddius]

The Inquisitor is the one who found him. He's quite startled about it. I assume the mark gives Cadash Fade powers.
 
Again, could be that the mark makes the Crossroads traversible for the Inquisitor just as they can physically move through the Fade without dying.

I'd really enjoy the non-elven Inquisitors turning green and running off to throw up, and Morrigan just, "Yeah, it takes some getting used to. *checks watch* Are you done yet?"

So Cadash being able to enter the Fade makes sense with the Mark, it's just bothersome people don't address it in dialogue. An admitted oversight on Bioware's part.

[EmperorSahlertz]

I'd really enjoy the non-elven Inquisitors turning green and running off to throw up, and Morrigan just, "Yeah, it takes some getting used to. *checks watch* Are you done yet?"

So Cadash being able to enter the Fade makes sense with the Mark, it's just bothersome people don't address it in dialogue. An admitted oversight on Bioware's part.

There is no reason why Dwarves shouldn't be able to walk physically in the Fade.

[Caddius]

There is no reason why Dwarves shouldn't be able to walk physically in the Fade.

Sorry, I was referring to Cadash reaching out to Solas in a dream sequence.

Yeah, the 'entering the Fade physically' works without any further explanation for me.

 

Someone earlier mentioned Word of Gaider that dwarves dream, they just don't go to the Fade? Yet Dagna mentions how she can't imagine what a dream is even like.

And whether the Qunari go to the Fade is treated as ambiguous, as they seem keen to deny it, and they aren't really seen there, and yet they have mages.

[EmperorSahlertz]

Sorry, I was referring to Cadash reaching out to Solas in a dream sequence.

Yeah, the 'entering the Fade physically' works without any further explanation for me.

 

Someone earlier mentioned Word of Gaider that dwarves dream, they just don't go to the Fade? Yet Dagna mentions how she can't imagine what a dream is even like.

And whether the Qunari go to the Fade is treated as ambiguous, as they seem keen to deny it, and they aren't really seen there, and yet they have mages.

Dwarves in Orzammar and Kal-Sharok don't dream. But once a Dwarf has spent enough time on the surface, they start to dream, but they still don't go to the Fade. That was at least the explanation we went with, to explain Oghrens non-Blight related dreams at least. Then Dagna and Varric comes along to throw a wrench in that theory. Now, it is basically that Dwarves just don't dream. Ever. But they ARE connected to the Fade, they are just "deaf" to it, which explains why Varric and Oghren can be used in Fade missions in the previous games.

Qunari remains an enigma on this matter, though I'd say it is probably just Qunari "propaganda", since the very idea of the Fade seems anathema to the Qun.

[Caddius]

Dwarves in Orzammar and Kal-Sharok don't dream. But once a Dwarf has spent enough time on the surface, they start to dream, but they still don't go to the Fade. That was at least the explanation we went with, to explain Oghrens non-Blight related dreams at least. Then Dagna and Varric comes along to throw a wrench in that theory. Now, it is basically that Dwarves just don't dream. Ever. But tehy ARE connected to the Fade, they are just "deaf" to it, which exdplains why Varric and Oghren can be used in Fade missions in the previous games.

Qunari remains an enigma on this matter, though I'd say it is probably just Qunari "propaganda", since the very idea of the Fade seems anathema to the Qun.

 

 

That is very interesting. *strokes beard* I'd always thought that Oghren was having Blight dreams that were just twisted by his very strange personality into nightmares about darkspawn and his family responsibilities, but that's a little weird for a Warden in the middle of a Blight, much less one inducted post-Blight.

So constant exposure to blue lyrium, or some other effect of being a dwarf and living underground, is able to seal one off from the Fade and from dreams. But they can still dream without a connection to the Fade? 

In Origins, Sten at least seems familiar enough with a dream that he's one of the only companions to realize it's a dream. Then again, maybe his complete lack of familiarity with dreams weirded him out enough that he saw through the illusion. 

[EmperorSahlertz]

That is very interesting. *strokes beard* I'd always thought that Oghren was having Blight dreams that were just twisted by his very strange personality into nightmares about darkspawn and his family responsibilities, but that's a little weird for a Warden in the middle of a Blight, much less one inducted post-Blight.

So constant exposure to blue lyrium, or some other effect of being a dwarf and living underground, is able to seal one off from the Fade and from dreams. But they can still dream without a connection to the Fade? 

Well yes and no. Dwarves, as of DA2 and DA:I, NEVER dream. Unless they are Grey Wardens, in which case their "dreams" are actually visions and commands sent by Old Gods/Archdemons. It was theorized that generations of close proximity to Lyrium "deafened" the Dwarven race to the Fade, but they remain connected (as we use them in Fade missions), which would explain pretty much everything, except Oghrens wierd dream.

 

In Origins, Sten at least seems familiar enough with a dream that he's one of the only companions to realize it's a dream. Then again, maybe his complete lack of familiarity with dreams weirded him out enough that he saw through the illusion.  

 

Indeed. We simply do not have enough data to theorize, much less reach a conclusion on the matter of the Qunari. As Darkspawn and Varghast show, magic can occur without a connection to the Fade, so just because the Qunari have mages, does not mean they are neccesarily connected to the Fade.

[Caddius]

Well yes and no. Dwarves, as of DA2 and DA:I, NEVER dream. Unless they are Grey Wardens, in which case their "dreams" are actually visions and commands sent by Old Gods/Archdemons. It was theorized that generations of close proximity to Lyrium "deafened" the Dwarven race to the Fade, but they remain connected (as we use them in Fade missions), which would explain pretty much everything, except Oghrens wierd dream.

 

Indeed. We simply do not have enough data to theorize, much less reach a conclusion on the matter of the Qunari. As Darkspawn and Varghast show, magic can occur without a connection to the Fade, so just because the Qunari have mages, does not mean they are neccesarily connected to the Fade.

The darkspawn use the Taint as their source of magic instead of the Fade. No wonder the Qunari are so curious about Grey Wardens, they've got a secret to keep.    The Qunari could have another source, but I'm willing to bet it's the Fade and, yeah, Qunari propaganda. It's very interesting to speculate on the Qunari and dwarves and mages, Very frustrating with the lack of reliable information sometimes, though.

[EmperorSahlertz]

The darkspawn use the Taint as their source of magic instead of the Fade. No wonder the Qunari are so curious about Grey Wardens, they've got a secret to keep.    The Qunari could have another source, but I'm willing to bet it's the Fade and, yeah, Qunari propaganda. It's very interesting to speculate on the Qunari and dwarves and mages, Very frustrating with the lack of reliable information sometimes, though.

Personally I hypothesize that the Qunari magic is related to their dragon heritage. But yeah, lack of information have been the name of the game since DA:O. 

[Bayonet Hipshot]

Lore Consistencies ? You do know that this is the company that gave us Mass Effect 3 right ? I know, different devs but disregarding lore for something kewl and for the feelsuh or for political correctness is a staple of Bioware games that pointing out discrepancies doesn't really change anything. 

[TK514]

Given that the Qunari are scared witless about Demonic possession of the Serebaas, I'd say they're connected to the Fade.

[EmperorSahlertz]

Given that the Qunari are scared witless about Demonic possession of the Serebaas, I'd say they're connected to the Fade.

It is more about what possession represents, than the actual threat of it. The loss of self, is one of the highest fears of the Qunari, hence the fear of demons and possession.

[Caddius]

It is more about what possession represents, than the actual threat of it. The loss of self, is one of the highest fears of the Qunari, hence the fear of demons and possession.

 You don't get a culture with fear of mages and possession that deeply ingrained without a lot of experience with it. I'm willing to bet that the kossith had themselves either abusive mages or out of control possessions going on, and, like an alcoholic's straight edge children, went obsessively the other direction.

While the loss and perversion of their role within the Qun is scary, and demon possession in general is set up to be their big fear, they're definitely a culture that has experience with possession. They kill saarebas that have been alone just in the off chance that they've been possessed, after all.

[EmperorSahlertz]

 You don't get a culture with fear of mages and possession that deeply ingrained without a lot of experience with it. I'm willing to bet that the kossith had themselves either abusive mages or out of control possessions going on, and, like an alcoholic's straight edge children, went obsessively the other direction.

While the loss and perversion of their role within the Qun is scary, and demon possession in general is set up to be their big fear, they're definitely a culture that has experience with possession. They kill saarebas that have been alone just in the off chance that they've been possessed, after all.

They kill some Saarebas that have been alone. It is noteworthy that they have no trouble speaking to unchained mages, and may even elevate a bas mage to Basalit-an. However, the one Saarebas that they kill after having been away from his Karataam, gives you a blood magic token if you save him from the Arvaarad.

Everything can be possessed, Qunari are no exception. But they need not a connection to the Fade to fear demons and possessions. Multitudes of possibilities could explain this ingrained fear they hold of magic, demons, and possessions.

[Iakus]

 You don't get a culture with fear of mages and possession that deeply ingrained without a lot of experience with it. I'm willing to bet that the kossith had themselves either abusive mages or out of control possessions going on, and, like an alcoholic's straight edge children, went obsessively the other direction.

While the loss and perversion of their role within the Qun is scary, and demon possession in general is set up to be their big fear, they're definitely a culture that has experience with possession. They kill saarebas that have been alone just in the off chance that they've been possessed, after all.

The impression I got was that the kossith were a chaotic, even savage lot (much like how many Tal-Vashoth revert to such a state) Demons are largely beings of primal, destructive urges.  So yeah, being possessed by such a being would be pretty frightening to a Qunari.