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[FemShem]

So there are/were (depends on if you are currently playing) as many as 3 Old Gods at Skyhold at the same time?

Solas: Dread Wolf
Sera: Andruil 

Keiran (Morrigan's Son): Soul of an undisclosed Old God.

Don't you think Corypheus would have added to his list of rivals, or at least mention it to sow discontent in the Inquisition?

Solas is pretty much a given as Dread Wolf.

Sera being a vessel of Andruil has some pretty solid arguments the most compelling being the tarot card.  Yes, people have given voice to many ideas and many are solidly grounded, that being said the tarot card lay out of Andruil's vallaslin is exactly the way Bioware likes to tip their hand of "didn't you players notice this" moments.  

 

I.e. when the identity of Revan (from KOTOR) is revealed.

Players will remember from all three games how their relationships turned out...but seriously you could have been sleeping with an old god if you were a female Inquisitor and never notice the sex was godlike status?

I had always wished good sex for my Inquisitor, but god status is pretty good.  (Would you just cry out your own name during sex?)  I digress.

Three old gods at Skyhold, and no one noticed (all experts at Skyhold included).  Wouldn't Keiran want to say hi to one of his fellow ex-slave owners?

Bioware is taking us there given the Solas/Flemythal ending; however, they are really going to want us to suspend out disbelief that far?

Sera as the idea of being Andruil was definitely set up ingame to be a revelation in the next game; however, given how much fans noticed and have theorized on the subject Bioware might be rewriting that concept on the fly as we speak.  (It's a tossup, as a writer, I would...depending how far I was in to development.)

I tell you what...if my next party (in the next Dragon Age game (Look at sales it's not really a question) can contain: my Warden, my Hawke, my Inquisitor (all of choice) along with whoever I'm playing in game four...and I'll follow you anywhere...

As fans, do you think Bioware will to ask us to buy the whole bag of goods on all three gods?

 

 

 

[myahele]

yes, which is why they didn't have Sandal (June) join the inquisition

[Kantr]

We know who's soul Kieran has. It's Urthemiel's

 

Corypheus doesn't know that Urthemiel's soul was in Kieran.

[Toasted Llama]

Sera being Andruil? Wot? Point me to some threads/articles please, I want to read more about that o.O

[TheRevanchist]

Sera being Andruil? Wot? Point me to some threads/articles please, I want to read more about that o.O

 

Yeeeea, that sounds like crap to me. Pics or it didn't happen. Most of these crackpot theories never actually pan out. Like ppl who said The Black City was a reflection of Arlathan in The Fade. People come up with these ideas on their own, and tell themselves it's true for so long they believe it, and when it turns out not to be true they get upset about it. Like everyones already convinced The Architect is a Magister with amnesia. Does it seem likely? sure, but everyone assumes we already know 100% that he is. People get very presumptive with some of these theories.  

[Kantr]

Sera being Andruil? Wot? Point me to some threads/articles please, I want to read more about that o.O

It's inferred based on her romance card with the arrow symbol being the same as Andruil Vasallin. Which is hardly evidence for.

[Toasted Llama]

It's inferred based on her romance card with the arrow symbol being the same as Andruil Vasallin. Which is hardly evidence for.

.... I don't see it though xD Looks like a regular arrow to me

[Lethaya]

Solas wasn't really an Old God, though, was he? Technically speaking. ;D

 

Sorry.

 

But basically, yep. If you buy the Sera thing, that is, which I'm not sure I do as doing a double reveal seems a bit... over the top? Eh. Plus then there's a whole new can of worms to open about how Andruil would have gotten into Sera in the first place. I do think there could definitely be a connection, just not so sure if it's soul based.

[JadeDragon]

Yeeeea, that sounds like crap to me. Pics or it didn't happen. Most of these crackpot theories never actually pan out. Like ppl who said The Black City was a reflection of Arlathan in The Fade. People come up with these ideas on their own, and tell themselves it's true for so long they believe it, and when it turns out not to be true they get upset about it. Like everyones already convinced The Architect is a Magister with amnesia. Does it seem likely? sure, but everyone assumes we already know 100% that he is. People get very presumptive with some of these theories.

The amnesia part is now the only theory the magister part will be confirmed once world of thedas 2 comes out. That being said i currently am not buying the sera is a god thing, if anything the bread crumbs is to throw us off trail in my opinion. There was more evidence architect was a magister then sera being a god.

[LadyLaLa]

Here's a good video on the theory. I don't quite buy it, but I think it'd be cool if this is what they were going for

[midnight tea]

It's inferred based on her romance card with the arrow symbol being the same as Andruil Vasallin. Which is hardly evidence for.

 

Eh, there's finding clues and then there's reading too much into stuff....

 

Also - the symbol ain't the same as vallaslin - the position of bow is similar, but arrow is placed entirely differently and there's nothing else in that card that suggests that it was supposed to be design to reflect that particular vallaslin, rather than the tarot card picked for romanced Sera (The Hanged Man, AFAIK).

[Lethaya]

Yeah, I was about to say, I thought WoT2 (or previews of WoT2) basically confirmed the whole Architect deal?

 

Aaand I've yet to throw out the Arlathan/Black City thing... completely. xD

 

EDIT: Ninja'd. Whoops. Twice!

[midnight tea]

Gaider also confirmed it in one of interviews if I remember correctly - he said that the Architect is the same kind of creature Corypheus is..

[trevelyan_shep]

I don't buy into Sera being Andruil. I need some hard facts here to believe it.

[Lethaya]

Eh, there's finding clues and then there's reading too much into stuff....

 

Also - the symbol ain't the same as vallaslin - the position of bow is similar, and arrow is placed entirely differently and thrre's nothing else that the card was supposed to be design to reflect that particular vallaslin, rather than the tarot card picked for romanced Sera (The Hanged Man, AFAIK).

 

 

 

It's certainly interesting, even if it does require, what, turning the actual vallaslin upside down to work? XD But otherwise, yeah, I tend to agree.

[robertthebard]

I just have one problem with this scenario, even if we just say "yeah, Sera is Anduril", Anduril and Dread Wolf are not Old Gods. The Old Gods were the Tevinter Imperium's pantheon, and they are all Dragons. Since there are only two left, and you're assuming they're at Skyhold, does this mean we won't be having any more Blights?

[Aren]

I'm beginning to think that the word god in Dragon age is overused.

[FemShem]

I think it's a solid idea on Sera, though I agree with the not completely buying it part.  Bioware did dangle the idea.  I'm dense and wondered what Cole was going on about when I took them both with me on quests.

Here is a good example of the general thought progression of the Sera as an old god theory:

 

http://shispan.tumbl...peculation-more

 

It's a pretty fun idea.

Great point on Sandle not being invited to Skyhold!

 

The question isn't whether we buy the fan theories, but whether or not Bioware plans to have us swallow them?  I think there was enough written in Bioware's Codex's to support the idea of it.

[Toasted Llama]

I think it's a solid idea on Sera, though I agree with the not completely buying it part.  Bioware did dangle the idea.  I'm dense and wondered what Cole was going on about when I took them both with me on quests.

Here is a good example of the general thought progression of the Sera as an old god theory:

 

http://shispan.tumbl...peculation-more

 

It's a pretty fun idea.

Great point on Sandle not being invited to Skyhold!

 

The question isn't whether we buy the fan theories, but whether or not Bioware plans to have us swallow them?  I think there was enough written in Bioware's Codex's to support the idea of it.

There are definitely some connections between Sera and Andruil discussed on the blog by the provided link, still I'm staying cynical and will wait untill Bioware "confirms" it.

[TheRevanchist]

IF, and this is a massive IF. If Sera is Andruil, I feel that's just cramming too many "important" people together in the same game. It would feel, to me, like they are just rushing plot development. 

[midnight tea]

 

 

 

It's certainly interesting, even if it does require, what, turning the actual vallaslin upside down to work? XD But otherwise, yeah, I tend to agree.

 

Sera is using a bow - that's her defining feature, at least in combat situations There are only so many ways you can design things featuring a bow (I'm a graphic designer, I know), especially in 2-dimensional designs. So finding basic 'bow-like' shapes in two different designs doesn't speak of anything other than it's supposed to represent a bow.

The two aren't even that similar - aside from a drawn bow, there's nothing there that connects the two (I'd also like to point out that the romance card DOESN'T feature the bow that is drawn).

 

I mean, it's like assessing... hmmm, the Earth is round... so is the sun.... omg, the Earth is a STAR!

[leaguer of one]

I just have one problem with this scenario, even if we just say "yeah, Sera is Anduril", Anduril and Dread Wolf are not Old Gods. The Old Gods were the Tevinter Imperium's pantheon, and they are all Dragons. Since there are only two left, and you're assuming they're at Skyhold, does this mean we won't be having any more Blights?

Azul and Blue are still the same thing if y u get may drift.

[midnight tea]

Only we don't know if they ARE the same things ir what does that mean. Also - there are many shades of blue.

[leaguer of one]

Sera is using a bow - that's her defining feature, at least in combat situations There are only so many ways you can design things featuring a bow (I'm a graphic designer, I know), especially in 2-dimensional designs. So finding basic 'bow-like' shapes in two different designs doesn't speak of anything other than it's supposed to represent a bow.

The two aren't even that similar - aside from a drawn bow, there's nothing there that connects the two (I'd also like to point out that the romance card DOESN'T feature the bow that is drawn).

 

I mean, it's like assessing... hmmm, the Earth is round... so is the sun.... omg, the Earth is a STAR!

I'm sorry but no...... The devs go in detail with the lore of the story and could use differnet designs for the card if they wanted...note that card is her friend ship card. not the normal one she starts with. They used this design to make a point...

 

Like this...

[leaguer of one]

Only we don't know if they ARE the same things ir what does that mean. Also - there are many shades of blue.

Except we have clues. Remeber, tevinter was built from the bones of the elves of old. And the old gods line up with the dread wolf story of sealing all the gods.

Sorry, but old gods are not mentioned elven lore because the elves called them something else. Their Azul is tevintors blue.