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[leaguer of one]

That's true. 

But oh, the dragon soul stuff was certainly from the orb. That's not the issue for me - the issue is apparent resonance of the old elven magic with the blight magic (which is the source of Corypheus immortality it seems, as he was immortal LONG before he got his dragon).

 

Yup, I can't help but to have a feeling that she has some connection to the orb... Of course, the impression is harder to disperse after learning that in game files the orb is apparently named "elv_orbmythal" (source on wiki: http://dragonage.wik..._of_Destruction )

 

 

Also, this:
 

 

This is Mythal's mosaic (only hers has tiles that form a circle around the head) at the very last stage of Corypheus fight, right before we defeat him.... WHY is Mythal's mosaic there in the first place?

 

 

These are excellent questions. So the source of the Elven Gods' immortality was perhaps not the dragons, but the specific magic used to bind one's soul to other beings (dragons, other animals) and objects (pendant). This is mere speculation of my part, I haven't read this information anywhere.

 

But then why would Solas be against slaying the dragons? Something is special about them, to the point they are called Gods. This must must have some connection to their unusual power of commanding the darkspawn through the taint. Those dragons are not just mindless beasts...

Did both you guys forget that a  person binded to a spirit has prolonged life? Cory immortality was due to the blight. it's something else from what the elven gods had.

[Reznore57]

Perfectly reasonable... but this is one of those things it doesn't seem contrived to ask questions whether it's supposed to be more symbolic, than logical.

 

They must have wanted to say something through it, if designers allowed it to survive through chaos (the explosion as well as tearing the ruins of Sacred Ashes further by lifting the ground) and place it at the very last platform where we defeat Cory, so that we have a perfectly preserved Mythal's image in the middle of a platform we fight Corypheus on, surrounded by Red Lyrium rocks, and "gazing" upon the corrupted orb floating right above it?

 

...Yeah, THIS is the proper way to do visual clues.

 

Well yeah I agree it's symbolic...but  it could be because we're kinda like the Herald of the Elven Gods and not really Andraste.

The mark comes from the Foci.Mythal does answer prayers , she grants you the boon and knowledge to defeat Coryphifish.

When Corynoob prayed to Dumat , well he died like a big looser.

[midnight tea]

Leaguer, do you just pick comments at random?

 

I SAID that Corypheus immortality was due to Blight just before that comment! Why do you think I wonder how come old elven magic resonates with blight magic in the first place? It's because I know that those things (and sources of immortality) are two separate things!

[Lethaya]

Did both you guys forget that person binded to a spirit has prolonged life? Cory immortality was due to the blight. it's something else from what the elven gods had.

 

Ah. Wasn't that ModernAcademic's exact point, in that bit you bolded? That it was the magic binding them that could have made them immortal...? If so, I doubt they forgot something they were expressing themselves, no. XD

 

As for the Elven Gods, their immortality still could have been just... typical Elvhen immortality, really, as far as I'm concerned. That option's still on the table, at least. The immortality of a certain, small handful becomes a bit less impressive when you note their entire race shared the same immortality. XD

[leaguer of one]

Ah. Wasn't that ModernAcademic's exact point, in that bit you bolded? That it was the magic binding them that could have made them immortal...? If so, I doubt they forgot something they were expressing themselves, no. XD

 

As for the Elven Gods, their immortality still could have been just... typical Elvhen immortality, really, as far as I'm concerned. That option's still on the table, at least. The immortality of a certain, small handful becomes a bit less impressive when you note their entire race shared the same immortality. XD

that's true. But the fact remain there god hood can be a simple as condition and  boundment. Even after the veil was closed the elven gods still have bit s of there god hood.

Not we can see was  being of this power is like. Aka the Dreamstalker from Da2.

[midnight tea]

Well yeah I agree it's symbolic...but  it could be because we're kinda like the Herald of the Elven Gods and not really Andraste.

The mark comes from the Foci.Mythal does answer prayers , she grants you the boon and knowledge to defeat Coryphifish.

When Corynoob prayed to Dumat , well he died like a big looser.

 

 

There were times when Dumat answered prayers though. And I'm not sure I agree with people who say that Dumat might not have answered because of Corypheus' pride (thinking himself a god; trying to replace Dumat and all that) or because he served his purpose... but honestly? Seeing how Dumat is god of SILENCE and things like life, magic and good stuff seems to be all about SONG, I wouldn't be surprised if we'd see Dumat again... 

 

Also, like you said -  it's elven gods who respond and grant boons to Inquisitor... but unless it is revealed that somebody specifically picked our unwitting hero to disrupt Corypheus' ritual at the Conclave, the Herald remains a victim of circumstances more than anything else (though I did wonder how come only our hero found hersefl/himself at this particular time and place?). 

 

There are also many questions surrounding "Divine" in the fade. While I don't think there's much we can establish as true in the vision of the world created by the Chantry, I don't think Andraste can be fully dismissed - even if she's entirely NOT what she's though to be (and nope, I'm not claiming she's anything specific at this point).

[Lethaya]

Yeah, I'd say the Old Gods definitely maintained a presence once. A very obvious one, if anything. They whispered to humanity for centuries. When they went silent at the start of the first Blight, people were devastated. I'd imagine that would be terrifying - being lead by your gods for so long, and then to be abandoned by them utterly in your time of need. No fun!

 

I also find it interesting the Old Gods started said whispering within the same few decades the Elvhen began to suffer from the quickening and started pulling back from the mortal races.... hum. Interesting timing, no?

 

But, bit off topic, I digress. xD

 

that's true. But the fact remain there god hood can be a simple as condition and  boundment. Even after the veil was closed the elven gods still have bit s of there god hood.

Not we can see was  being of this power is like. Aka the Dreamstalker from Da2.

 

It could also have been their very nature (and that of the elves as a race) before the Veil was present. So the fact remains, what? That there are multiple possibilities? XD Not much of a fact, that.

 

I guess I prefer to keep open to the various options, here. XD

[midnight tea]

Yeah, I'd say the Old Gods definitely maintained a presence once. A very obvious one, if anything. They whispered to humanity for centuries. When they went silent at the start of the first Blight, people were devastated. I'd imagine that would be terrifying - being lead by your gods for so long, and then to be abandoned by them utterly in your time of need. No fun!

 

I also find it interesting the Old Gods started said whispering within the same few decades the Elvhen began to suffer from the quickening and started pulling back from the mortal races.... hum. Interesting timing, no?

 

Definitely interesting, though I have no specific hypotheses about that myself.

 

Though I keep wondering about one thing from Jaws of Hakkon - back at the wake of Second Blight, it is mentioned in a codex or two that what led to the first binding of Hakkon were also whispers that guided Hakkon's followers. Isn't it curious that somebody wanted to release Hakkon on lowlanders and add to the chaos JUST when Zazikel was raging? Was that some sort of coordinated thing? Also, WHO was whispering? Hakkon... or somebody else?
 

 

 

It could also have been their very nature (and that of the elves as a race) before the Veil was present. So the fact remains, what? That there are multiple possibilities? XD Not much of a fact, that.

 

I guess I prefer to keep open to the various options, here. XD

 

My personal take on it? Back when elves were immortal the magic itself seemed to have stronger presence in Thedas. Whether Veil was up or not, either it or the world was different. That much we know...

 

My bet is that majority of problems happen because magic is slowly disappearing from Thedas, taking things like elven immortality away - eventually all magical things will be gone (dragons, elves, maybe dwarves, probably lyrium, among other things).

Morrigan suggests it when she says in Temple of Mythal that unless tide will be stopped, the world will be left with nothing but mundane - and she was definitely taught that by Flemeth (which she confirms later in dialogue - "It is because I taught you girl! Because things happened that shouldn't have happened!"). It was ingrained in her so much that she not just agreed - she PROPOSED both the Dark Ritual to the Warden and voted herself into drinking from the Well.

My guess is then than more than revenge or preservation of ancient elves, both Mythal and Solas might be trying to stem the tide and fight for existence of magic.

[Ariella]

You do understand that statement was used to miss direct you. He just says there no records connecting them, not that they aren't connected. Learn some lawyer speak.

Oy vey. He says there is nothing. Not 'no lore' nothing, which implies there is no evidence of any kind. This has nothing to do with lawyer speak and everything to do with Occum's Razor. There is no hard evidence of what you're saying. Only some very vague conjecture at this point.

Despite Solas' deception dealing with his identity he's been rather honest with the Inquisitor. He's had to be in order to accomplish what he's set out to do.

[Ariella]

Note exactly what he says - "there is nothing in any lore that..."

It's a dodge. He's not lying to you if he says "No one theorized that the elves are not connected to the Old Gods." No one's theorized it.

Nope. I was playing that exact sequence in order to make certain the quote was accurate. He says nothing.

Edit: okay played a third time. Nothing in any lore. However, theorized doesn't immediate mean correct in the sense it's being used here (ie we aren't talking scientific theory). Theory does not equal evidence.

[midnight tea]

Oy vey. He says there is nothing. Not 'no lore' nothing, which implies there is no evidence of any kind. This has nothing to do with lawyer speak and everything to do with Occum's Razor. There is no hard evidence of what you're saying. Only some very vague conjecture at this point.

Despite Solas' deception dealing with his identity he's been rather honest with the Inquisitor. He's had to be in order to accomplish what he's set out to do.

 

I agree that he was mostly honest and I agree with application of Occam's Razor - but at the same time I agree with everyone here saying that this was him using rhetorical trick. He's an honest person - or so it seems - and he's trying to avoid straightforward lies, but at the same time he was also trying not to give away that he knows more than he should, even with all his Fade-walking and everything.

 

For example - what about the time when Dorian mentions orbs used by ancient Tevinter dreamers? Dorians ask if those and Corypheus' orb could be one and the same. Solas' answer? -> "Perhaps". Not a lie, but not really a truthful statement either.

 

What about when Inquisitor asks about Corpheus in Skyhold for the first time? His answer? "Why are you asking me - Cassandra and Varric seem to be more familiar with our adversary." Technically not a lie - they seem to be more familiar, even though - in hindsight - we know that he knows crucial details that he's not willing to reveal.

 

It's the same in this particular example. Saying that "nothing in any lore connects my people to Old Gods of Tevinter" is NOT a straightforward denial of that connection - merely a notion that nothing of the sort wasn't recorded in the lore... and we DO know that MANY things weren't recorded in the lore (where did Mythal's murder was recorded, I wonder?)

 

It's the same as saying "no police record exists that suggests I had anything to do with THAT theft" - even if in reality I was the perpetrator.

[Ariella]

I agree that he was mostly honest and I agree with application of Occam's Razor - but at the same time I agree with everyone here saying that this was him using rhetorical trick. He's an honest person - or so it seems - and he's trying to avoid straightforward lies, but at the same time he was also trying not to give away that he knows more than he should, even with all his Fade-walking and everything.

 

For example - what about the time when Dorian mentions orbs used by ancient Tevinter dreamers? Dorians ask if those and Corypheus' orb could be one and the same. Solas' answer? -> "Perhaps". Not a lie, but not really a truthful statement either.

 

What about when Inquisitor asks about Corpheus in Skyhold for the first time? His answer? "Why are you asking me - Cassandra and Varric seem to be more familiar with our adversary." Technically not a lie - they seem to be more familiar, even though - in hindsight - we know that he knows crucial details that he's not willing to reveal.

 

It's the same in this particular example. Saying that "nothing in any lore connects my people to Old Gods of Tevinter" is NOT a straightforward denial of that connection - merely a notion that nothing of the sort wasn't recorded in the lore... and we DO know that MANY things weren't recorded in the lore (where did Mythal's murder was recorded, I wonder?)

 

It's the same as saying "no police record exists that suggests I had anything to do with THAT theft" - even if in reality I was the perpetrator.

 

On the Orb, there are a couple of things to consider: Tevinter salvaged a lot of knowledge from the elves. It's possible, even probable that the Dreamer Orbs, since they're foci, are aping what the elves use. Of course there's also the fact that this touches on who he is, and he's going to avoid that at any cost. Same with the Varric and Cass comment. He starts going into detail about what he really knows it might trip him up. Kind of like Blackwall worrying about the Inquisitor knowing more about the Wardens thus potentially exposing himself. It's interesting to note there in a banter between Blackwall and Solas where Solas recognized him as a kindred spirit.

 

On the "police record". Better to say no evidence than no police record, because even if nobody filed a report, there may be evidence that connects you to said crime. Not enough to charge thus no police record. Lore is a lot less specific that a police report.

 

Lore:

1) archaic something that is taught

2) something that is learned a) knowledge gained through study or experience. traditional knowledge or belief

3) a particular body of knowledge or tradition

 

(Merriam-Webster's Collegiate dictionary, 11 edition)

 

Keeping these things in mind when Solas says in any lore, he's talking about everything that's been recorded about the Old Gods or the Elven Gods. It's possible of course, but you can't prove something by non existence of evidence. 

 

I'm more willing to except that the Old Gods may be the Forgotten Ones. It's interesting to note that the Constellation Silentir's codex says the following: "Some scholars believe that represented scales which would point to this constellation being a supplantation of the elven Mythal, but nothing indicates this to be more than speculation"

 

My thought is that Mythal's connection to the Blight comes from her death (Flemeth's betray comments in the Fade). It is possible that she was killed at the Golden City, thus tainting it. If say Dumat was the one who did it (speculated from the whole Silentir comment about). This could have led to the punishment of their "sleep". Again it's speculation, but there is is.

 

One other thing that bothers me about the whole Old God = Elven God thing. Why turn away from the elves and to a bunch of scavenging humans? It doesn't make sense to me.

 

Another interesting tidbit in the constellation codex is that the Draconis one is considered to possibly represent an eight unnamed Old God.

[Ariella]

I suppose that if one accepts the whole old gods/forgotten gods concept, that the unnamed eighth god could be Mythal if one wants to cast her in a similar mold to Gaia, with the old ones being the Titans and the Elven Gods being the Greek Gods. This is NOT one to one, and is only speculation, but it'd be interesting.

Or Flemeth is just preserving these things for the exact reason Morrigan gives in the temple. So much has been lost that, what is wonderous in the world must be protected and preserved.

[Sifr]

 

 

 

It's certainly interesting, even if it does require, what, turning the actual vallaslin upside down to work? XD But otherwise, yeah, I tend to agree.

 

Of course, based on her pose from that tarot card, it could also mean that she's Miley Cyrus...

 

[leaguer of one]

Oy vey. He says there is nothing. Not 'no lore' nothing, which implies there is no evidence of any kind. This has nothing to do with lawyer speak and everything to do with Occum's Razor. There is no hard evidence of what you're saying. Only some very vague conjecture at this point.

Despite Solas' deception dealing with his identity he's been rather honest with the Inquisitor. He's had to be in order to accomplish what he's set out to do.

The fact that he's saying their is no proof makes it lawyer speak. I'm pointing out it a plot point. I'm say how to read and understand it.

[Ariella]

The fact that he's saying their is no proof makes it lawyer speak. I'm pointing out it a plot point. I'm say how to read and understand it.

I may have messed the quote but I know he does nit use the term proof at all. And as I pointed out elsewhere you can't claim something is fact with no evidence. There is no evidence that the old gods are the elven gods. Nothing in the lore in game or out. And the term proof is not 'lawyer speak'.

Proof: a) the cogency of evidence that compels acceptance of the mind of a truth or a fact. the process or ab instance of establishing the validity of a statement, especially by derivations of other statements in accordance with the principles of reasoning. Merriam Webster Collegiate Dictionary 11th Edition.

Trying to prove something isn't limited to lawyers, and your implication that it's lawyer speak thus untrustworty is foolish.

And before anyone jumps on the 'what about Corypheus' train.. the Elder One isn't an Old God, and the one he worshipped is dead so why go to him? More likely he was the most powerful mage Solas could find, and he was desperate to unlock the orb. What Corypheus was to get in return for this I don't know, but it makes more sense that shifty connections to the OG.

[leaguer of one]

I may have messed the quote but I know he does nit use the term proof at all. And as I pointed out elsewhere you can't claim something is fact with no evidence. There is no evidence that the old gods are the elven gods. Nothing in the lore in game or out. And the term proof is not 'lawyer speak'.

Proof: a) the cogency of evidence that compels acceptance of the mind of a truth or a fact. the process or ab instance of establishing the validity of a statement, especially by derivations of other statements in accordance with the principles of reasoning. Merriam Webster Collegiate Dictionary 11th Edition.

Trying to prove something isn't limited to lawyers, and your implication that it's lawyer speak thus untrustworty is foolish.

And before anyone jumps on the 'what about Corypheus' train.. the Elder One isn't an Old God, and the one he worshipped is dead so why go to him? More likely he was the most powerful mage Solas could find, and he was desperate to unlock the orb. What Corypheus was to get in return for this I don't know, but it makes more sense that shifty connections to the OG.

*point to Flemeth manipulation the old god from dao in dai.

 

We have proof. that's not the issue. the issue is the anylise of what Solas said. People who belevie what he said mean their no connect of the elven gods and the old gods are not reading into what he said. He is only pointing out of the lore has no connection. That does not mean they are not connected and there is no evidence, it's just means there no lore connection. We have one big peice of evidence with Mythal in dai but there is nothing written down that there is a connection.

 

And you don't under stand what I mean by lawyer speak. Lawyer doucmentions are both literal and indirect. it's fromation can be and can be treated so literal that is an event that happen dealing  said element of contract is not stated in the conditions of it can be not covered. Aka a hole is left in it. it can be used to misdirect on the legal level. My point is Solas is misdirecting with a truth, but even if he is using a truth that does not mean what the question answer is  no.

 

And you missed the ending of the game were Solas said he gave him the orb?

[FemShem]

How can we firmly stand on the principal of truth of anything on a cannon that can be changed by the stroke of Bioware's pen?

Initially I put forth the idea of not whether or not "conspiracy theories" were true, but whether or not Bioware would ask us to buy it, more or less, as lock stock and barrel in cannon.

They certainly went to extremes to dangle IDEAS.

And many fans, including myself, went...oh...shiny (no Sera reference intended (um this statement gives away too much geekdom)).

Old god vs Elvan gods...Bioware led us to connect the dots.  Is it true?  Who knows what they are writing as of this second.  All things considered though, the thought is dangled before us.  

If I were an old Evlan god I'd be worried about being turned into Darkspawn, but Solas reaction to the Grey Wardens certainly makes a good...naw-uh, I know you weren't even thinkin' about that...look.  (Yes, I have mastered his character voice).

Solas is not happy about the idea of the old gods being slain.  The reasons could go on for pages.  In reality, Bioware put a great deal into DA:I for fans to go, huh(?) so are Elvan gods and old gods the same.

Conclusive pruff.  No implied repeatedly.  Yep.

Is Sera an old God?  Proof? No.  Implied...well it's definitely implied there's some strange stuff going on with her and the Fade, she definitely has a connection well beyond any regular city elf...that is spelled out...repeatedly, and all over the place, especially with party banter with Cole and Solas.  Bioware writers wrote that specific dialogue, it's not like the actors were improving it.  If we are fans and into the lore, the more they subtly shove it in your face, the more you are asked to think about it, or you can ignore the puzzle and wait for the next game.

No one here is ignoring everything and waiting for the next game.

Most party banter, especially in DA2 is character driven.  Sera, Cole's and Solas' dialogues (concerning Sera) seem character and plot driven.  

After you find out Solas is the Dread Wolf, some of his seemingly random character points (Pissed off at the Grey Wardens, Very into Elvan everything, but later says he doesn't consider to have much in common with the Dalish (given the centuries apart very true...plus probably doesn't appreciate the ignorant slave markings, etc) become consistent.

Again, true or not, it's worth considering what they have us to work with as far as information goes.

Yes, we just got done playing the Inquisitor (fab role and character); however, when has the Inquisition on earth been a good thing.  Think it will be a good thing in Thedas?  Or can it easily be corrupted.

Well, or course, it can be easily be corrupted especially if you put some powermad person, old god, elvan god, noble jerk, in charge of it.  You have unlimited resources at the disposal of the Inquisitor.  Gaspard isn't going to become the Inquisitor, but if you character died from poisoning right after DA:I it has the potential to go very bad...as does the Chantry with Vivianne in charge.

Is that in the cannon?

No.

People throughout the game ask you what's going to happen to the Inquisition after this is over.  Why?  Because it's a big deal in Thedas.  It's suppose to make you think.  Extrapolate from the data and make you think beyond the established guideline.  Hell, you can still play after Corypheus is dead.

What's in the cannon?  Nothing.  BioWare lets you use your mind and think.

The forum was never intended to make people mad, but just say, "Hey what do you guys think about this?"

It's conjecture, speculation, and flat out guessing.  Even if you laut or poo-poo an idea, don't you want to be right when the next expansion comes out?  Well, I guess I'd like to be right, but I'd like a nice Aristotelean reversal where we all sit and stare at the thing and go...why didn't I see that coming?  You know, like Revan in KOTOR.

Did people figure it out before hand.  Sure.  Most didn't.  I didn't, I was having fun with the game.  

I would like to be Old God smacked.

Here's the fun thing about forums.  

 

I can get Old God smacked here, too.  Some fan brings up a valid point and makes me thing about something in a fun cool way.  Love it.

The more peeps think, the more I think.

How many people read the forums and don't comment?  They are thinking too;)

If you like the topic keep it up.  

Again, in a way, it's us guessing what BioWare is going to do.  It's just plain fun.

Sorry about the edit: Predictive text went a bit wonkier on me than I was willing to go.

[trevelyan_shep]

I still think it's a ridiculous notion to suspect Sera to be Andruil considering she doesn't even like elfy things. She believes in Andraste, too. 

 

Not every elf we see is going to be a god.

[Ariella]

*point to Flemeth manipulation the old god from dao in dai.

 

We have proof. that's not the issue. the issue is the anylise of what Solas said. People who belevie what he said mean their no connect of the elven gods and the old gods are not reading into what he said. He is only pointing out of the lore has no connection. That does not mean they are not connected and there is no evidence, it's just means there no lore connection. We have one big peice of evidence with Mythal in dai but there is nothing written down that there is a connection.

 

And you don't under stand what I mean by lawyer speak. Lawyer doucmentions are both literal and indirect. it's fromation can be and can be treated so literal that is an event that happen dealing  said element of contract is not stated in the conditions of it can be not covered. Aka a hole is left in it. it can be used to misdirect on the legal level. My point is Solas is misdirecting with a truth, but even if he is using a truth that does not mean what the question answer is  no.

 

And you missed the ending of the game were Solas said he gave him the orb?

 

So Flemeth took the soul, that's not proof. She took the soul. We have no proof of her motivations other than possibly the comment she makes to Morrigan in the Fade about saving the soul in the first place. That Morrigan's motivation of preserving old magicks and creatures came from Flemeth because she was RAISED that way. That's all we know about it. We don't know why she took it, or what she had planned to do with it before her conversation with Solas.

 

As for lawyer speak. I know exactly what you were talking about, and the basic implication remains that you think he's lying. The statement however is backed up by the fact we've seen NOTHING in lore, in the codex, mentioned by ANY character that connects the two groups. The only connection we have so far is the potential Dreamer orbs and we do know a lot of Tevinter magic was salvaged from the wreck of the Elven empire...

Oh for the love of... Did you even bother to read my post, League? I repeat:

And before anyone jumps on the 'what about Corypheus' train.. the Elder One isn't an Old God, and the one he worshipped is dead so why go to him? More likely he was the most powerful mage Solas could find, and he was desperate to unlock the orb. What Corypheus was to get in return for this I don't know, but it makes more sense that shifty connections to the OG.

 

No, I didn't miss the end. In fact I addressed it right there.

 

Solas wouldn't have gone to either a Circle mage or the Dalish, and a Tal Vashoth is right out, so who does that leave to help him? Why he didn't go to Mythal I have no idea. He does say if you take him to the Temple "so a piece (or part) of Mythal still lingers" so he might not have been aware, especially since he'd been sleeping.

[Ariella]

I still think it's a ridiculous notion to suspect Sera to be Andruil considering she doesn't even like elfy things. She believes in Andraste, too. 

 

Not every elf we see is going to be a god.

 

Considering Andruil was pretty much a out of doors girl, and Sera can't stand it.

Sera is easy to understand. She was raised by humans, not even elves in an alienage, so her attitude reflects that. 

 

The Tal Vashoth Codex in DAI actually seems to sum up Sera's attitude about elves: Why are you asking me about them, I have no clue!

[leaguer of one]

I still think it's a ridiculous notion to suspect Sera to be Andruil considering she doesn't even like elfy things. She believes in Andraste, too. 

 

Not every elf we see is going to be a god.

You do understand that Andruil hated elves and hunted them.

[Nightshade715]

I hope that the theory about Sera being Andruil's vessel is just a theory. Not because I dislike the theory or have anything against Sera, but it just seems like too many gods for one game.

[leaguer of one]

So Flemeth took the soul, that's not proof. She took the soul. We have no proof of her motivations other than possibly the comment she makes to Morrigan in the Fade about saving the soul in the first place. That Morrigan's motivation of preserving old magicks and creatures came from Flemeth because she was RAISED that way. That's all we know about it. We don't know why she took it, or what she had planned to do with it before her conversation with Solas.

 

As for lawyer speak. I know exactly what you were talking about, and the basic implication remains that you think he's lying. The statement however is backed up by the fact we've seen NOTHING in lore, in the codex, mentioned by ANY character that connects the two groups. The only connection we have so far is the potential Dreamer orbs and we do know a lot of Tevinter magic was salvaged from the wreck of the Elven empire...

Oh for the love of... Did you even bother to read my post, League? I repeat:

And before anyone jumps on the 'what about Corypheus' train.. the Elder One isn't an Old God, and the one he worshipped is dead so why go to him? More likely he was the most powerful mage Solas could find, and he was desperate to unlock the orb. What Corypheus was to get in return for this I don't know, but it makes more sense that shifty connections to the OG.

 

No, I didn't miss the end. In fact I addressed it right there.

 

Solas wouldn't have gone to either a Circle mage or the Dalish, and a Tal Vashoth is right out, so who does that leave to help him? Why he didn't go to Mythal I have no idea. He does say if you take him to the Temple "so a piece (or part) of Mythal still lingers" so he might not have been aware, especially since he'd been sleeping.

1.yes it is proof. it's proof of a connection. that's the big deal. think about it. Flemeth /Mythal was not around for the 2nd and 3rd blight. myhtal was too weak and Flemeth was only born after the 3rd blight. She was not involve in the 4th blight and we have the records to prove it. Yet in the she knows can manipulate an old god of the 5th into the body of a child? why would she know that and were did she learn it from? The manipulation is proof enough of a connection and the fact she could not know how to do that before the blights started.

Saying it's not proof does not mean it not proof.

 

2. Dear lord ..you don't get it. Solas statement is that there is no lore connecting them. That the truth, their is no lore connecting them. but them we have mythal manipulating an old god...it may not be written in the lore their is a connection but we can see as clear as day that there is. that the only way for mythal to control an old god.

 

3.Because he would of killed Mythal if he went to her. Mythal is a last resort. Mythals goal is revenge not unsealing the fade. 

[Lethaya]

The fourth blight went on for twelve years and was felt in the Anderfells, Free Marches, Antiva, Nevarra, Orlais, Orzammar, Rivain and the Imperium. So many griffons perished in combat as to spell the extinction of their species. I would find it very odd if Flemeth and her daughters weren't at all aware of that particular situation. Perhaps she didn't put herself at the forefront, but that doesn't mean she didn't involve herself. There seems to be little in which Flemethyal doesn't involve herself.

 

And on your third point, Solas still might well have been unaware. Just because Flemeth is gunning for vengeance and Solas is doing something vaguely-People related, doesn't mean their priorities can't intersect. Maybe Flemeth has multiple goals, and revenge is just top priority. Maybe she needs Solas to accomplish his goal as to fulfill her own. We don't know these things, so stating our view of them so plainly is unwise. Because there is still a lot of room for change.

 

Flemeth isn't aware of everything. Thus it stands to reason, as the newer player on the field, odds are Solas isn't either. How long did it take Flemeth to find Kieran? Look at Solas's obvious blunder with Corypheus. And yet Solas should and must have know who and what was where at all times just thanks to his nature? XD

 

You do understand that Andruil hated elves and hunted them.

 

Your interpretation. She was also worshiped by them, presumably lived amongst them, had temples, etc. I prefer she treated everyone equally on the horrible scale. ;D If someone kills several humans (Quizzy does all the time), doesn't mean they hate every human in existence.

 

On Sera... (devil's advocate warning) in theory, were Sera a host like Flemeth, or even an amnesiac vessel, she could avoid things that deliberately trigger Andruil to stir because such thoughts/feeling/whatevers make her uncomfortable or frighten her. Thus she stays far away from the Dalish religion, sticks to cities, and chums up with humans. And hates all them elf-elfs!