I'm sure I've got one around here somewhere, midnight, Maker knows I've had need of one often enough. XD
I do actually have that source I mentioned, though. A post here on the forums, so it could of course be inaccurate, but I trust it. Interesting!
EDIT: Ninja'd, uh. Right, response time, gimme a sec, here. ;D
1. Phonetics vary! I can do this all day.
2. Whose to say how many of these beings exist, though?
Ok...so I need to read the new world of thedus....
And kill the Architect......
Eh, it's all speculative. It all has some evidence, a bunch of holes, and probably one or two problems you could use to pull the rug out from whoever's arguing it. Which is rather the point, I suppose. Possibilities!
This thread is all over the place, but it's an enjoyable kind of all over the place, you know that? XD
But others have more evidence then others. I mean really...how many gods of old do we have to see swapping souls and spirits bounded to them to say that the soul spirit they have gives them there god powers?
You and me both!
Eh, even if you kill him, who's to say he doesn't just jump bodies? ;D
EDIT: Aaand, yep. Inevitable really.
But others have more evidence then others. I mean really...how many gods of old do we have to see swapping souls and spirits bounded to them to say that the soul spirit they have gives them there god powers?
Oh, I definitely believe they're connected. But that doesn't mean they are necessarily the same. The OGs could be the Forgotten Ones, or the Elvhen Pantheon's pets or creations. I also don't buy that, even if the two sets are one and the same, that they were for sure mages bound with spirits. They (being the Elvhen Pantheon, really) could have been a myriad of things.
That's true - if we pick templars and visit temple of Dumat to see what he's preparing for Calpernia, he mentions through... uh... his red lyrium journal? (lol) that they didn't create the darkness, they discovered and used it.Though the reason they got there and discovered it in the first place was them being led to the Golden City by whispers of Old Gods.I mean, it's reasonable to assume that it might have been the plan all along - trick magisters into pilgrimage to the Golden City to unwittingly release the Blight.Some people may ask how is it that the plan apparently backfired (if it actually did)... but it's not the first time we see plans of divine beings backfire on them, ey?If anything, even if the plan was a gamble or had unforeseen consequences, it's possible that the end goal has been accomplished.
As for Dread Wolf - my bet would be that he might have been asleep wherever the last ancient elves are hiding.... And I have a feeling that it MIGHT be a place like Crossroads (Morrigan herself mentions that some eluvians lead to similar locations). I'm not adamant that that's the case though.As for Flemeth's 'appointment'.... while I think it's possible that it's actually Mythal who woke him up, I don't think she revealed herself to him. He seemed too surprised with the fact that Temple of Mythal is still occupied by her servants, and there was either relief or astonishment in his voice when we enter the chamber with the Well Of Sorrows and mumbles "So Mythal endures...".Sera also notes (in banter) that "he's all fluttery" after what happened in the Temple - it's anyone's guess as to why though.
To me it sounds like the going to the Black City was a major gamble, considering church attendance was down. If they did what they were supposed to do, or it turned out to be a major game of telephone, the world got reamed.
I just would like to see where he was, because I have this sinking feeling that Solas might have been under our noses the whole time. It's something Bioware would do.
As for Mythal, I'm with you on the not knowing considering the evidence. Offering him the Well and asking him to help Abelas are just heart rending..
I do actually have that source I mentioned, though. A post here on the forums, so it could of course be inaccurate, but I trust it. Interesting!
That's certainly interesting... I gotta admit, I was kinda wondering... is the Blight the mythical weapon mentioned in one of elven legends? If I remember correctly, one of versions of elven myths about Fen'Harel mentioned that the reason he managed to trick them, was that he convinced both side to either deliver or give them access to a weapon that will help them vanquish the other side.... Could it be the Blight? Or whatever it was before?
I remember that there was a conversation between Vivienne and Solas - Vivenne is all like "I see you're not against blood magic, so why are you against blight magic?". Solas then explains that while blood magic is no worse than other types of magic, blight corrupts everything, any intelligent being should steer clear away from it and anyone who thinks it can control he Blight it is mad (uhhh, gotta find screenshots for more accurate quotes).
I wonder if it's something he spoke about due to previous experience? Could it be that in drive to win a war that tore Elvenhan one of the sides (or both) tried to gain access to the Blight?
That's certainly interesting... I gotta admit, I was kinda wondering... is the Blight the mythical weapon mentioned in one of elven legends? If I remember correctly, one of versions of elven myths about Fen'Harel mentioned that the reason he managed to trick them, was that he convinced both side to either deliver or give them access to a weapon that will help them vanquish the other side.... Could it be the Blight? Or whatever it was before?
I remember that there was a conversation between Vivienne and Solas - Vivenne is all like "I see you're not against blood magic, so why are you against blight magic?". Solas then explains that while blood magic is no worse than other types of magic, blight corrupts everything, any intelligent being should steer clear away from it and anyone who thinks it can control he Blight it is mad (uhhh, gotta find screenshots for more accurate quotes).
I wonder if it's something he spoke about due to previous experience? Could it be that in drive to win a war that tore Elvenhan one of the sides (or both) tried to gain access to the Blight?
Just remembered something interesting. In the Ferelden Tower, the demon taint looks a lot like the darkspawn taint you see around, especially in post invasion Ostagar. Now it could simply be the god of art reuse, and I'm not saying it's impossible with the criticism of DA2 floating around, but if it is art reuse it's clumsy on a scare that dwarfs DA2 since it's VERY obvious and the implications kinda hit one in the face.
One thing I've been thinking about that's kind of related to what you're saying about a possible war. The codex entry on the Breach where Lady Seeker Vael is talking about the Fade and the Veil, it kind of reminds me of Morpheus' speech about what the Matrix is. It also makes me wonder if at some point that there was no Veil (the IQ and Solas talk about it in Haven IIRC) and it was put up to protect from whatever caused the Blight in the Black City. Of course I may just have had too much caffeine too.
I do like the idea of the Blight as a Biological weapon or something like the "nothing" in the Neverending Story. Not to be confused with Sera's nothing, and not to infer a connection between her and the elven gods in any way, shape, or form.
Yavana also mentions a time without the Veil in the comics, yep.
That's certainly interesting... I gotta admit, I was kinda wondering... is the Blight the mythical weapon mentioned in one of elven legends? If I remember correctly, one of versions of elven myths about Fen'Harel mentioned that the reason he managed to trick them, was that he convinced both side to either deliver or give them access to a weapon that will help them vanquish the other side.... Could it be the Blight? Or whatever it was before?
I remember that there was a conversation between Vivienne and Solas - Vivenne is all like "I see you're not against blood magic, so why are you against blight magic?". Solas then explains that while blood magic is no worse than other types of magic, blight corrupts everything, any intelligent being should steer clear away from it and anyone who thinks it can control he Blight it is mad (uhhh, gotta find screenshots for more accurate quotes).
I wonder if it's something he spoke about due to previous experience? Could it be that in drive to win a war that tore Elvenhan one of the sides (or both) tried to gain access to the Blight?
Warning: Wild Speculation Abounds.
I hope not! I don't want Solas to be involved with the blight. Shove that responsibility over to Andruil or the Titans or something. D: I mean, Andruil had that weapon, ah. Codex.... here! Sounds like a magical atom bomb ... On second thought, she might be too obvious, though, hum.
I thought for a bit the blight could be a direct result of the Veil, as lyrium is basically magic in physical form. The blight could just be... the decay of a world without magic? The killing blow? But then you have issues like the idol and blah, I give up on it. ;D
The blight could very well be some sort of magical bio weapon created by either the Elvhen or the Forgotten Ones to destroy the other side. Maybe the Pantheon was infected, and thus sealed away by Solas? A popular idea, that. If it was indeed used in the past, it must have been dealt with quickly, though. It spreads so fast in Inquisition.
Some spoilers from WOT 2.
Actually I'm kinda freaked out by the last chapters of the chant of Light , it's a vision Drakon (Dude who created the Orlesian empire and build the Chantry into an enormous power) had from Andraste.
Actually it's a dream but well
here's the verses I'm having vapors about :
This bit:
And those who slept, the ancient ones , awoke,
For their dreams had been devoured
By a demon that prowled the Fade
As a wolf hunts a heard of deer.
Taking first the weakest and frailest of hopes,
And when there was nothing left,
Destroying the bright and bold
By subtlety and ambush and cruel arts.
Solas... Solas what are you doing... D: I dislike wolf referencing in this thing! Also, anyways, considering that particular section with this is interesting! Also, ah. Off putting?
Thanks again, Reznore! Ah, WoT thingssss. 
So that just brought back my internal musings that paradise in Dragon Age is actually a blighted world, by the way. Wonderful. Happy thoughts! xD
Some spoilers from WOT 2.
Actually I'm kinda freaked out by the last chapters of the chant of Light , it's a vision Drakon (Dude who created the Orlesian empire and build the Chantry into an enormous power) had from Andraste.
Actually it's a dream but well
here's the verses I'm having vapors about :
Spoiler
This bit:
And those who slept, the ancient ones , awoke,
For their dreams had been devoured
By a demon that prowled the Fade
As a wolf hunts a heard of deer.
Taking first the weakest and frailest of hopes,
And when there was nothing left,
Destroying the bright and bold
By subtlety and ambush and cruel arts.
Solas... Solas what are you doing... D: I dislike wolf referencing in this thing! Also, anyways, considering that particular section with this is interesting! Also, ah. Off putting?
Thanks again, Reznore! Ah, WoT thingssss.
So that just brought back my internal musings that paradise in Dragon Age is actually a blighted world, by the way. Wonderful. Happy thoughts! xD
So....Anyone thinks the quis' job is far from over?
Spoiler
Ferelden is not in the east.
Solas... Solas what are you doing... D: I dislike wolf referencing in this thing! Also, anyways, considering that particular section with this is interesting! Also, ah. Off putting?
Thanks again, Reznore! Ah, WoT thingssss.
So that just brought back my internal musings that paradise in Dragon Age is actually a blighted world, by the way. Wonderful. Happy thoughts! xD
Actually the Red Lyrium Whispers makes me think of the Profane...
Solas... Solas what are you doing... D: Also, considering that section with this is interesting! Also, ah. Off putting?
Thanks again, Reznore! Ah, WoT thingssss.
So that just backed up my internal theory that paradise in Dragon Age is actually a blighted world, by the way. Wonderful. Happy thoughts! xD
Call me crazy, but this might be a misdirection.... the whole "devouring dreams, crushing hopes and destroying bright and bold" seems kinda antithetical for him.
....Unless they pull a type of plot twist popular in Japanese mangas and it will turn out that there is a Bright Solas and Dark Solas (....oh god, the CHEESE!), fighting for dominance 
I kinda wondered about that when I've found the altar of Fen Harel in Ghilan'nain's Grove and it featured a white and black wolf... Though I kinda assumed that it was more a Ying-Yang kinda thing.
So....Anyone thinks the quis' job is far from over?
For me it hasn't really started yet. The question that Inquisition has posed - whether Inquisitor will be a force that saves or destroys the world - remains yet unanswered.
I took men of stone to be golems, thanks to the immense bit, though now that you brought up dwarves, that could reference the army instead of literal size. That's, what, around 500? Hum.
Call me crazy, but this might be a misdirection.... the whole "devouring dreams, crushing hopes and destroying bright and bold" seems kinda antithetical for him.
....Unless they pull a type of plot twist popular and mangas and it will turn out that there is a Bright Solas and Dark Solas (....oh god, the CHEESE!), fighting for dominance
I kinda wondered about that when I've found the altar of Fen Harel in Ghilan'nain's Grove and it featured a white and black wolf... Though I kinda assumed that it was more a Ying-Yang kinda thing.
Yeah, that section is most likely just about... hmm. The Fear demon, perhaps? But man, that freaked me out for a second there my first read through! XD So basically, as a misdirection it worked, I guess. And heck, well, don't the wolves on his cards change color? Romance is white, end game is black... ;D An amusing idea. Not sure how I'd like it in practice, though.
EDIT: Nah, fear demon doesn't really work. Hum. And who would be the Ancient ones? The Elvhen in Uthenera?
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Some spoilers from WOT 2.
Actually I'm kinda freaked out by the last chapters of the chant of Light , it's a vision Drakon (Dude who created the Orlesian empire and build the Chantry into an enormous power) had from Andraste.
Actually it's a dream but well
here's the verses I'm having vapors about :
Spoiler
First one sounds like dwarves or golems.
Second one reminds me of the elves and werewolves fighting, who were once related.
Third sounds like the the old Gods getting ticked off at an intruder in the Fade, most likely the first to walk into the Black City. The wolf is obviously Solas.
Fourth makes me think of the Temple of Sacred Ashes.
Fifth sounds like sh*t's gonna hit the fan soon.
Thanks for sharing, I loved reading this! I'm a fan of this sort of thing. I'm going to study it.
I took men of stone to be golems, thanks to the immense bit, though now that you brought up dwarves, that could reference the army instead of literal size. That's, what, around 500? Hum.
Yeah, that section is most likely just about... hmm. The Fear demon, perhaps? But man, that freaked me out for a second there my first read through! XD So basically, as a misdirection it worked, I guess. And heck, well, don't the wolves on his cards change color? Romance is white, end game is black... ;D An amusing idea. Not sure how I'd like it in practice, though.
EDIT: Nah, fear demon doesn't really work. Hum. And who would be the Ancient ones? The Elvhen in Uthenera?
Or it could be that something else we haven't seen that Solas alluded to.
Very true. Next game problem, maybe? XD Or would that be the 500 golems/dwarves waging war on Paradise?
I took men of stone to be golems, thanks to the immense bit, though now that you brought up dwarves, that could reference the army instead of literal size. That's, what, around 500? Hum.
Yeah, that section is most likely just about... hmm. The Fear demon, perhaps? But man, that freaked me out for a second there my first read through! XD So basically, as a misdirection it worked, I guess. And heck, well, don't the wolves on his cards change color? Romance is white, end game is black... ;D An amusing idea. Not sure how I'd like it in practice, though.
Well, we might have to take into consideration that there might either be an impostor or... an accomplice?
I do remember reading in one of codexes that there were many types of elven relationship which were not necessarily romantic or blood-related, but were still very complex and deep. Falon'Din and Dirthamen were given as an example - they were not brothers per se, but they were called twins. In fact, Falon'Din was called "Dirthamen's shadow" and Dirthamen "Falon-Din's reflection"... or the other way around.
Why if there was someone who was in similar relationship with Fen'Harel? Maybe that's the reason why in legends the Dread Wolf is held responsible for betrayals and the fall of elven people?
Dunno what to think about it. At best I can tell that there was someone who betrayed him (according to dialogue it was a woman?), which might have pushed him to doing all kind of desperate things.
Hum, I'd love to be able to turn up that dialogue... I've seen it discussed before, and a few people dismissed it as his use of her or she referring to betrayal itself, rather than a woman? Bleh. I'm bad at paraphrasing. XD
But ah, that'd make his greatest fear even more tragic, wouldn't it now. D:
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Hum, I'd love to be able to turn up that dialogue... I've seen it discussed before, and a few people dismissed it as his use of her or she referring to betrayal itself, rather than a woman? Bleh. I'm bad at paraphrasing. XD
But ah, that'd make his greatest fear even more tragic, wouldn't it now. D:
Dying alone? Also makes it a bit more easier for a female Lavellen to understand if she knew. You can't love a God since he will outlive you. His feelings for her and knowing she would die one day would just increase his fear so ending it before he got too deep was the best choice.
I'm not buying that he's using reference to betrayal per se, considering that he responded to Inquisitor's "I trust my friends!" with "I know that mistake so well I can carve the angles of her face from memory". That sounds very person-like.
But ah, that'd make his greatest fear even more tragic, wouldn't it now. D:
Well, what's tragic is that it's probably that fear that chased him away from one goddamn chance to have someone by his side
It could also be horribly tragic in a sense that (if some things would happen in the future) he knows the taste of betrayal himself, yet he'd be forced to betray people left and right, including a person he really cares about (well, he pretty much DID at the end of the game )
Dying alone? Also makes it a bit more easier for a female Lavellen to understand if she knew. You can't love a God since he will outlive you. His feelings for her and knowing she would die one day would just increase his fear so ending it before he got too deep was the best choice.
One of the plausible reasons, yes. Though it doesn't explain why sometimes Solas sounds or behaves as if he's either going to die or some part of him (at least) is going to perish.
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