402 réponses à ce sujet

[c0bra951]

Gah!  This is my first PT with Sera.  My own fault.  Outta here.

[LadyLaLa]

You know, I think it'd be very interesting if this idea (and the one linking Sandal to June) were true. It would imply that the Dragon Age series is focusing on pieces of a grand plan falling into place. And we know that Mythal, at the very least, has been manipulating events for a very long time

[Lethaya]

... Ah. Spoilers suck, sorry c0bra. Enjoy your playthrough..? D:

 

Anywho. I'd like to say that, even if you believe the Elvhen Pantheon = Old Gods, that doesn't change that (under most theories I've seen, anyway) Fen'Harel wasn't one of the Old Gods. So regardless, at most what you've got is two! ;D

 

Ahem.

 

Sera is using a bow - that's her defining feature, at least in combat situations There are only so many ways you can design things featuring a bow (I'm a graphic designer, I know), especially in 2-dimensional designs. So finding basic 'bow-like' shapes in two different designs doesn't speak of anything other than it's supposed to represent a bow.

The two aren't even that similar - aside from a drawn bow, there's nothing there that connects the two (I'd also like to point out that the romance card DOESN'T feature the bow that is drawn).

 

I mean, it's like assessing... hmmm, the Earth is round... so is the sun.... omg, the Earth is a STAR!

 

Oh, I agree that it could be nothing. Buuut it could also be something subtle? I don't count it as a definite article of proof, though. XD More like... an object of interest? Hum.

 

EDIT: Ninja'd again.
 

[midnight tea]

Then why they didn't Sera's default card to suggest anything? If they're so meticulous about adding in clues to design, why are they also so random?

I have no problem accepting that they've left clues in designs somewhere, but like i said before - there's finding clues and then there's reading too much into stuff....

Also - the only similar thing in Solas' "Hermit" card and the stained glass is frontal position and right hand (one is holding fire and another a key. Hardly the same). So the same criticism I've had for Sera's card still stands - two similar, popularly used things don't yet mean there's a connection - NOR a connection in one place validates finding it in another, where the similarity is weak to the point of being non-existent. 

 

 

 

Except we have clues. Remeber, tevinter was built from the bones of the elves of old. And the old gods line up with the dread wolf story of sealing all the gods.

Sorry, but old gods are not mentioned elven lore because the elves called them something else. Their Azul is tevintors blue.

 

We only have clues that those are connected, not that the're one and the same. The Dread Wolf story also ain't exactly accurate - Abelas said it himself in Temple Of Mythal that Dread Wolf had nothing with the downfall of elven goddess, which suggests to us that we should treat the entire "The Dread Wolf sealed gods away" story with at least a pinch of salt, simply because we have no idea what does that really means.

 

And like I said - there are many shads of blue. Just because they're a similar type doesn't mean that they're the same.

[midnight tea]

You know, I think it'd be very interesting if this idea (and the one linking Sandal to June) were true. It would imply that the Dragon Age series is focusing on pieces of a grand plan falling into place. And we know that Mythal, at the very least, has been manipulating events for a very long time

 

Only the plan is already grand. There's no point to over-complicating things. 

 

Also - I don't really understand why "Sera is Andruil" is supposedly any more exciting than a portion of delicious irony: Sera eschews all things 'elfy', yet she happens to be really good at 'elfy' things.

 

In fact, her fervent anti-elfiness only displays that even an elf with such strong disconnect with her heritage still has a special connection to Fade and all things magical, as suggested by banter and some dialogue. It suggests that elves still haven't lost their connection to what they were in ancient times, which is why Solas assesses at some point that even he and Sera aren't that far apart.

 

She really doesn't have to be any more special. 

[Lethaya]

I'd say the Solas and Shartan similarity holds (slightly) more weight, actually. Mainly because none of DA2's other stained glass motifs have a similar layout, and it wouldn't at all surprise me if (assuming they are one in the same, or there is some sort of connection between the two) the artist for the tarot card looked at the glass as their framing and pose reference. *shrugs*

 

I wouldn't be surprised if it meant something. However, at the same time, I also wouldn't be surprised if it was an intentional red herring, or absolutely nothing at all. XD

 

I'm noncommittal, I think. ;D

 

Agreed on Sera not needing some big reveal, though.

[ModernAcademic]

Yeah, Sera is Andruil, Sandal is the Maker and Flemeth is Andraste.

 

Keep rocking, fanbase.

[robertthebard]

Azul and Blue are still the same thing if y u get may drift.

So based on this, every time a GW kills an Archdemon, they're killing an Elven God. They are not the same thing, and really can't be, because Flemeth is Mythal. Oops, too many Old Gods floating around according to history, eh?

[SwobyJ]

*annoyed at Old God = Creator*

[leaguer of one]

Then why they didn't Sera's default card to suggest anything? If they're so meticulous about adding in clues to design, why are they also so random?

I have no problem accepting that they've left clues in designs somewhere, but like i said before - there's finding clues and then there's reading too much into stuff....

Also - the only similar thing in Solas' "Hermit" card and the stained glass is frontal position and right hand (one is holding fire and another a key. Hardly the same). So the same criticism I've had for Sera's card still stands - two similar, popularly used things don't yet mean there's a connection - NOR a connection in one place validates finding it in another, where the similarity is weak to the point of being non-existent. 

 

 

 

We only have clues that those are connected, not that the're one and the same. The Dread Wolf story also ain't exactly accurate - Abelas said it himself in Temple Of Mythal that Dread Wolf had nothing with the downfall of elven goddess, which suggests to us that we should treat the entire "The Dread Wolf sealed gods away" story with at least a pinch of salt, simply because we have no idea what does that really means.

 

And like I said - there are many shads of blue. Just because they're a similar type doesn't mean that they're the same.

The cards also tell a story and bout the character and covers their persona. It changes as more of the character story is reveiled. Solas' and Sera's story progress differently and are told differently thus what on their card and when are different. (And yes the solas card and the stained glass pic are extremely similar.)

[midnight tea]

Yes, they cover their persona - based predominantly on what given TAROT card means.

Also - how is showing Sera with a bow NOT covering her persona? She's an archer - she's illustrated with the bow. BAM. Done. No more connections.

 

Or is the rogue archer class card for Inquisitors also supposed to reveal secret Andruil connections?

 

[leaguer of one]

So based on this, every time a GW kills an Archdemon, they're killing an Elven God. They are not the same thing, and really can't be, because Flemeth is Mythal. Oops, too many Old Gods floating around according to history, eh?

They are the same thing. The entire maker trapping thing is bull and made up by people who did not understand what they saw. And Flemeth being Mythal does not mean she's not an old god... hell, Kerian is/can be the old god of bueaty and guess who we got the details of the ritual from....

 

FLEMETH!!!!

[leaguer of one]

Yes, they cover their persona - based on what given TAROT card means.

Also - how is showing Sera with a bow NOT covering her persona? She's an archer - she's illustrated with the bow. BAM. Done. No more connections.

Not just based on what the card means alone. that's just the starting point. Note and the characters story progress the card changes.

 

It a deeper mean that just the definition of the tarot cards they are using.

[midnight tea]

Not just based on what the card means alone. that's just the starting point. Note and the characters story progress the card changes.

 

It a deeper mean that just the definition of the tarot cards they are using.

 

... And the card changes to nothing that suggests further connections - especially Solas' romance card. Though the Tower card also has no connection to Shartan as well.

[midnight tea]

They are the same thing. The entire maker trapping thing is bull and made up by people who did not understand what they saw. And Flemeth being Mythal does not mean she's not an old god... hell, Kerian is/can be the old god of bueaty and guess who we got the details of the ritual from....

 

FLEMETH!!!!

 

Just because Felemth knows a secret ritual that can trap the soul of being similar to her doesn't mean that they're the same - or, that when Uthemiel WAS an Old God, that he was the same as Elven gods.

Both Uthremiel and Flemeth are barely wisps or what they were. At the core they seem similar, maybe even the same, but there's more to such complex being than that core, just like there's more to humans, elves or dwarves than spirits with a physical body.

[leaguer of one]

Also - how is showing Sera with a bow NOT covering her persona? She's an archer - she's illustrated with the bow. BAM. Done. No more connections.

 

Or is the rogue archer class card for Inquisitors also supposed to reveal secret Andruil connections?

 

Sorry that pic is nothing remotely like Auldrins Vasilin.

And Sera's card is not just about her being a bow user. Her first card shows her to be distant and drawn off. In the the beginning of dai she would not give you one detail about her background. The second card shows up once she does  opens up. It show her willingness to open up about her self.

[Lethaya]

... And the card changes to nothing that suggests further connections - especially Solas' romance card. Though the Tower card also has no connection to Shartan as well.

 

If hinting was consistent across all of a character's card set, however, why doesn't Solas's beginning tarot card hold any wolf symbolism? The other two cards do, romance and endgame.

 

 

... Also, in response to the archer player card, if anything, you just provided an example of another way to design a bow. Purely playing the devil's advocate, here (sorry). ;D But! point being that that bow is quite distinct from the one in Andruil's vallaslin, after all. Differing arrow count also helps.

[leaguer of one]

... And the card changes to nothing that suggests further connections - especially Solas' romance card. Though the Tower card also has no connection to Shartan as well.

Sorry, but bw would not put that in by chance.

[midnight tea]

Sorry that pic is nothing remotely like Auldrins Vasilin.

 

Nor is Sera's card, especially the romance one.

[midnight tea]

If hinting was consistent across all of a character's card set, however, why doesn't Solas's beginning tarot card hold any wolf symbolism? The other two cards do, romance and endgame.

 

 

... Also, in response to the archer player card, if anything, you just gave out an example of another way to design a bow. Purely playing the devil's advocate, here (sorry). ;D But! That bow is quite distinct from the one in Andruil's vallaslin, after all. Differing arrow count also helps.

 

Neither of three bows bears resemblance to bow presented in vallaslin - all have different shapes and proportions, while at the same time ALL of them present bow from the same side, only strengthening my point.

 

 

And Sera's card is not just about her being a bow user. Her first card shows her to be distant and drawn off. In the the beginning of dai she would not give you one detail about her background. The second card shows up once she does  opens up. It show her willingness to open up about her self.

 

And nothing she tells us after opening up suggests ANY connection with Andruil.

 

Also - why is it that you don't apply the same logic to Solas? Nothing he tells us suggests any connection to Shartan, PLUS - the connection people draw is on his initial card.

[MrMrPendragon]

Wait what?

 

Solas and Sera are Old Gods? I thought Solas was the Dread Wolf - an elven "god"? Did I miss something in the game or what? Since when did Old Gods = Elven Gods?

 

The only Old God in Skyhold is the one inside Kieran.

[leaguer of one]

Nor is Sera's card, especially the romance one.

i'm sorry what?

you need to check your eyes.

 it's not just the bow in the pic that s the same.

[TheRevanchist]

They are the same thing. The entire maker trapping thing is bull and made up by people who did not understand what they saw. And Flemeth being Mythal does not mean she's not an old god... hell, Kerian is/can be the old god of bueaty and guess who we got the details of the ritual from....

 

FLEMETH!!!!

 

Right, because the story about the Magisters breaking into the Golden City in the Fade was purely Chantry propaganda that they used to justify their hatred of mages....oh wait. 

[leaguer of one]

Wait what?

 

Solas and Sera are Old Gods? I thought Solas was the Dread Wolf - an elven "god"? Did I miss something in the game or what? Since when did Old Gods = Elven Gods?

 

The only Old God in Skyhold is the one inside Kieran.

Old gods= elven gods.

 

Remember, it was a elven god who got us to put to put an old god in Kieran in the first place.

[midnight tea]

i'm sorry what?

you need to check your eyes.

 it's not just the bow in the pic that s the same.

 

Sera's card looks nothing like Adruil's vallaslin. The only connection people see is the bow, while it's not even the same, NOR consistent in presentation.