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[leaguer of one]

 Bartrand's Folly is proof the Blight pre-dates Tevinter even though we have no proof Red Lyrium was there before the First Blight, 

Wait..what?

 

 

Did you forget about this?

[robertthebard]

...except for :
Elven lore
the land past the elviouns that are in the fade.(which we walked into in dai.)

Sorry, had to stop you right there: Morrigan tells us that the nexus where the Eluvians lead is not the Fade, but close to it. If we're going to discuss the lore, let's discuss the lore, not the fanfiction attached to it.

[midnight tea]

Btw, I'd like to ask where this crude - and apparently arbitrarily picked - copy of Andruil's vallasllin that people compare to Sera's card comes from?

 

Because look:

 

 

 

  

Lines up perfectly, huh? 

 

I'm sorry, but if people are going to take either random images or designs that themselves aren't perfectly consistent with one another and claim that "it lines up really well with that bow right here!" then it means that the quality of evidence to support that theory are wonky at best.

[TheRevanchist]

Wait..what?

 

 

Did you forget about this?

 

Your point? could have easily been constructed after or during The First Blight. Absolutely nothing about that Thaig suggests it is older than The First Blight. 

[Lethaya]

I'm just gonna say that propping up theories as absolute, irrefutable fact is a bit... well. It isn't fact. Nothing is until Bioware confirms it. XD

 

Not that theories aren't fun to discuss, that's basically why I joined this forum.

 

But...! Can't we all be friendly, yes? All the tension! ;D

 

@midnight_tea: wrong vallaslin, that. There's a simpler version. Almost made that mistake myself earlier when looking through these things, though, can't say I blame you. XD Although really looking at them, it seems whoever drew up those lines really... hybrid-ed (now a term, hush) the two. I can't find any examples with the scrollwork that would frame the mouth area, for instance. Strange.

 

EDIT: Ninja'd, good gravy.

 

@ TheRevanchist: I believe it is stated the thaig is before the first blight and pre-dates it, thus it can be assumed the same is true for the idol? Hum.

[MrMrPendragon]

If the Old Gods and the elven "gods" are somehow even related, it's more likely that the elves used the blight as a power source which does explain why Flemeth and Solas are against any plan that harm the Old Gods (the RItual, Solas' reaction to the Wardens' plan to kill all of them). I would assume that the hubris that comes with this power made the most powerful of the elves see themselves as gods. And that's where Solas comes in. He basically frees the elves from the oppression, but then everything goes to sh*t.

 

That I believe, is a more likely scenario than the whole Old Gods = Elven Gods.

 

I have a super theory about how the dwarves were the first beings of Thedas and how they batttled the dragons during a time before the Fade. It does offer a pespective, not an explanation, as to how the Old Gods were imprisoned underground, and how some lyrium were red and some were blue. But that's a totally different topic.

[leaguer of one]

Sorry, had to stop you right there: Morrigan tells us that the nexus where the Eluvians lead is not the Fade, but close to it. If we're going to discuss the lore, let's discuss the lore, not the fanfiction attached to it.

nope...

go to 6:28.

 

They clearly state "pocket in the fade."

[midnight tea]

I have no vested interest in this theory - as Sera and/or the elven gods don't interest me.

But the images do have similarities.  Doesn't make it true - but discounting it in the name of Skepticism TM isn't the highest sign of thinking either in my opinion.

 

Saying that images have similarities doesn't constitute a valid proof that a given hypothesis is true - especially when similarities are so vague and, in this case, stem predominantly from the fact that Sera is an archer (so she's depicted with a bow), hence she's presented with a bow.

 

And don't get me wrong - I have nothing against merry speculations, especially that at this point that's all we can do. If anything, they're fun. But speculations removed this far from any significant evidence simply muddy the water, IMHO - especially that for some people, it seems, those are not just mere speculations, but things they supposedly expect to be near-confirmed canon..

[TheRevanchist]

I'm just gonna say that propping up theories as absolute, irrefutable fact is a bit... well. It isn't fact. Nothing is until Bioware confirms it. XD

 

Not that theories aren't fun to discuss, that's basically why I joined this forum.

 

But...! Can't we all be friendly, yes? All the tension! ;D

 

@midnight_tea: wrong vallaslin, that. There's a simpler version. Almost made that mistake myself earlier when looking through these things, though, can't say I blame you. XD

 

EDIT: Ninja'd, good gravy.

 

@ TheRevanchist: I believe it is stated the thaig is before the first blight and pre-dates it, thus it can be assumed the same is true for the idol? Hum.

 

Stated by whom? In game characters? if so that is hardly compelling evidence, since they weren't around back then to know. It was pure speculation on Bartrands part. So it's not recorded in The Memories? I suspect A LOT of crap is missing from The Memories, some perhaps intentionally. So it lacks Paragon Statues? That can be explained as the survivors abandoning the Paragons to worship The Blight, since it proved it's absolute power by destroying the Empire.  

[leaguer of one]

Btw, I'd like to ask where this crude - and apparently arbitrarily picked - copy of Andruil's vallasllin that people compare to Sera's card comes from?

 

Because look:

 

 

 

  

Lines up perfectly, huh? 

 

I'm sorry, but if people are going to take either random images or designs that themselves aren't perfectly consistent with one another and claim that "it lines up really well with that bow right here!" then it means that the quality of evidence to support that theory are wonky at best.

Dude...that lines up even better then the first one.

[midnight tea]

 

@midnight_tea: wrong vallaslin, that. There's a simpler version. Almost made that mistake myself earlier when looking through these things, though, can't say I blame you. XD Although really looking at them, it seems whoever drew up those lines really... hybrid-ed (now a term, hush) the two. I can't find any examples with the scrollwork that would frame the mouth area, for instance. Strange.

 

 

You're missing my point. If there's more than ONE official version of vallaslin, people can't just pick one design at random and claim "look, it lines up so well!" (even though it doesn't).

 

Really, the only thing those things have in common is that they both have a bow in there. It's too little of a connection.

[Aren]

Apparently Skyhold is full of gods but poor of any memorable characters

[trevelyan_shep]

Yes, because let's pick the most anti-Dalish elf to be an elven god. Sounds about right. /sarcasm

[midnight tea]

Dude...that lines up even better then the first one.

 

 

Dude, you need glasses.

 

Besides - it's nice to see that you backtrack from "the shape of the bow is identical!"... considering that the proportion of the arrow and the shape itself differs even between both vallaslins.

[TheRevanchist]

This guy is either a Troll, or is someone who has a Tin Foil hat.

[leaguer of one]

Stated by whom? In game characters? if so that is hardly compelling evidence, since they weren't around back then to know. So it lacks Paragon Statues? That can be explained as the survivors abandoning the Paragons to worship The Blight, since it proved it's absolute power by destroying the Empire.  

You understand that human and dwarven modern history has the blight being older then 1000 years.. along the lines of the end of tevintors expansive era? And the dwarven shaperate's history is even older then that. that thag was not listed by the the dwarven shaperate...thats how we know it's older then the blight. it's not list at all.

[leaguer of one]

Dude, you need glasses.

 

Besides - it's nice to see that you backtrack from "the shape of the bow is identical!"... considering that the proportion of the arrow and the shape itself differs even between both vallaslins.

I never said it was identical I said it was extremely similar.

[midnight tea]

I never said it was identical I said it was extremely similar.

 

And they're not even that, LOL.

[PsychoBlonde]

I'm beginning to think that the word god in Dragon age is overused.

 

I'm waiting for them to announce that the subtitle for DA4 is "Immortals".

[TheRevanchist]

You understand that human and dwarven modern history has the blight being older then 1000 years.. along the lines of the end of tevintors expansive era? And the dwarven shaperate's history is even older then that. that thag was not listed by the the dwarven shaperate...thats how we know it's older then the blight. it's not list at all.

 

As I said, it being missing from The Memories proves absolutely nothing. The Memories lacked any real data about Caradin and his Golems as well, surely that means they Pre Date the Blight too. Something being missing from The Memories is proof of nothing except that The Memories are incomplete, and thus cannot be used as proof to support a theory.

[leaguer of one]

If the Old Gods and the elven "gods" are somehow even related, it's more likely that the elves used the blight as a power source which does explain why Flemeth and Solas are against any plan that harm the Old Gods (the RItual, Solas' reaction to the Wardens' plan to kill all of them). I would assume that the hubris that comes with this power made the most powerful of the elves see themselves as gods. And that's where Solas comes in. He basically frees the elves from the oppression, but then everything goes to sh*t.

 

That I believe, is a more likely scenario than the whole Old Gods = Elven Gods.

 

I have a super theory about how the dwarves were the first beings of Thedas and how they batttled the dragons during a time before the Fade. It does offer a pespective, not an explanation, as to how the Old Gods were imprisoned underground, and how some lyrium were red and some were blue. But that's a totally different topic.

No....The fact that they are powerful mages who are binded with powerful spirits proves that wrong.

[leaguer of one]

And they're not even that, LOL.

Yes they are.

[MrMrPendragon]

Apparently Skyhold is full of gods but poor of any memorable characters

 

Lmao agreed.

 

I want to kill Sera. The ancient elves wanted to kill the elven gods. Maybe she IS an elven god.

[midnight tea]

Yes they are.

 

 

Yet they are different in shape and proportion even between vallaslin designs?

At this point you're just shaking your head and going 'nuh-uh' instead of providing valid arguments.

[leaguer of one]

As I said, it being missing from The Memories proves absolutely nothing. The Memories lacked any real data about Caradin and his Golems as well, surely that means they Pre Date the Blight too. Something being missing from The Memories is proof of nothing except that The Memories are incomplete, and thus cannot be used as proof to support a theory.

It's proves everything. the dwarven shaperate is super detail about it's history. They are not going to forget about a thag. And they did have detail about Caradin, just not his fate or how to make his Golems but that's only because that info was not given to them. they are super detail not all seeing. thag are a completely different thing being that they are place to live in and foundations of noblehood.