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[leaguer of one]

Like I said before - isn't it the same for Thedas as well?

*looks up at the sky in thedus

The sky is not green. The fade is another dimension compered to thedus.

[leaguer of one]

It proves that the elves created their own little sanctuary, which we all knew already.

 

But I don't exactly know how we can jump from that, to saying that Old Gods are Elven Gods.

 

If anything that just tells me that Fade was already there before the elves even had a civilization and it was Veiled, and given that Yavana says dragons ruled the skies before the Veil was even there, then I suppose we can assume that the Old God dragons existed long before the Elven Gods.

It a link the the sealing of the forgotten ones and the elven gods.  Also, the hakkon dlc shows us what the dragon god really are.

[midnight tea]

Morrigan says that isn't the Fade and that it is somewhere in between, presumably in between their world and the Fade. A bit of both, perhaps, but not the Fade itself. And regardless, robertthebard was still originally correct. Also, being closer to something is rather different than being in it.

 

This is getting silly. XD Ha, implying that it wasn't already...

 

@midnight_tea: Ah, but doesn't the Veil keep the Fade separate from the mortal plane (or whatever the heck it'd be called)? Perhaps they were one and the same once, but for now at least, they are... tenuously separated.

 

It's separate, but the separation itself isn't... um... as simple as a physical barrier. I know there's a codex on that (here it is: http://dragonage.wik...entry:_The_Veil), plus Cole says at some point (I paraphrase) "The Fade is here but Veiled, constructed".

 

That implies that Thedas itself is separated, yet at the same time immersed in the Fade itself - and considering that Fade is infinite, and Thedas is not (I mean, I assume), it further strengthens the notion of Thedas being in Fade itself.

 

In fact, if anything, Crossroads prove that Fade can be artificially structured and given its own laws of reality... what's there to stop us to think that Thedas wasn't like that at some point?

 

But it also mans that saying that "something is in the Fade" is sort of a moot point. EVERYTHING is in the Fade, therefore it's more about the nature of given thing (or reality) rather than where it actually is.

[midnight tea]

*looks up at the sky in thedus

The sky is not green. The fade is another dimension compered to thedus.

 

The sky in Crossroads isn't green as well.

[leaguer of one]

The sky in Crossroads isn't green as well.

that's just atmosphere. It's to warp to really see anything. There would need to be a night cycle to see what it looks like out side the pocket.(like how we can only see the darkness of space from earth at night.)

[leaguer of one]

It's separate, but the separation itself isn't... um... as simple as a physical barrier. I know there's a codex on that (here it is: http://dragonage.wik...entry:_The_Veil), plus Cole says at some point (I paraphrase) "The Fade is here but Veiled, constructed".

 

That implies that Thedas itself is separated, yet at the same time immersed in the Fade itself - and considering that Fade is infinite, and Thedas is not (I mean, I assume), it further strengthens the notion of Thedas being in Fade itself.

 

In fact, if anything, Crossroads prove that Fade can be artificially structured and given its own laws of reality... what's there to stop us to think that Thedas wasn't like that at some point?

 

But it also mans that saying that "something is in the Fade" is sort of a moot point. EVERYTHING is in the Fade, therefore it's more about the nature of given thing (or reality) rather than where it actually is.

but that's a different issue all together. thedus and the fade connect in the level of wave theory. like 2 lines intersecting. that's why the fade in thedus if enough power is used is breached at any point of the world. it not surrounding thedus, it's crossing through Thedus.

[Handsome Jack]

Three old Elven gods.

 

They're not the same nor on the same level as the Tevinter Old Gods, of which three also remain.

[Lethaya]

If you buy the idea behind the thread, one Old God, two Elvhen Gods, actually. Urthemiel, yes?

 

(Sorry)

 

but that's a different issue all together. thedus and the fade connect in the level of wave theory. like 2 lines intersecting. that's why the fade in thedus if enough power is used is breached at any point of the world. it not surrounding thedus, it's crossing through Thedus.

 

That would be the way you interpret the given information. But not fact. I, for one, interpret it differently, as does, I assume, midnight_tea. Varying ideas, yes? Interesting way of looking at it, though!

[midnight tea]

Not according to codex entry that I've linked before: http://dragonage.wik...entry:_The_Veil

 

It suggests that basically Thedas and Fade are intimately connected. AND considering that we know that there was a time where no Veil existed... how could those be just two dimensions that simply intersect one another?

 

 

 

That would be the way you interpret the given information. But not fact. I, for one, interpret it differently, as does, I assume, midnight_tea. Varying ideas, yes? Interesting way of looking at it, though!

 

 

I do... I'm also not sure I could ever come with an idea that " thedus and the fade connect in the level of wave theory"... I mean WUT O_O...

[leaguer of one]

Not according to codex entry that I've linked before: http://dragonage.wik...entry:_The_Veil

 

It suggests that basically Thedas and Fade are intimately connected. AND considering that we know that there was a time where no Veil existed... how could those be just two dimensions that simply intersect one another?

 

 

 

 

 

Crossingover one another does not mean they are not connected. Note I never said they were not. I said thedus is not a pocket in the fade. And dimensions does start out crossing each over. Think of it like water passing through a strainer, there was a time water did not pass through that strainer.

[Lethaya]

"Imagine if spirits were not a rarity but a part of our natural world like... a fast-flowing river. Yes, it can drown careless children, but it can also carry a merchant's goods or grind a miller's flour. That is what the world could be if the Veil were not present. For better or worse. Imagine if spirits entered freely, if the Fade was not a place one went but a state of nature like the wind. A world where imagination defines reality, where spirits are as common as trees or grass."

 

Pretty much how I look at it (for now). Thank you, Solas.
 

But yeah, the intersecting theory is new! Haven't seen it before. XD

 

EDIT: Right, this is becoming a habit. I need to learn to type faster. Or stop time.

[leaguer of one]

If you buy the idea behind the thread, one Old God, two Elvhen Gods, actually. Urthemiel, yes?

 

(Sorry)

 

 

That would be the way you interpret the given information. But not fact. I, for one, interpret it differently, as does, I assume, midnight_tea. Varying ideas, yes? Interesting way of looking at it, though!

And yet somehow the crowsroad are closer to the veil to the point of being able to walk in  it then thedus.

[MrMrPendragon]

Maybe Thedas is more like a part of the Fade, rather than the Fade being a part of Thedas.

 

Like a barricaded (veiled) sphere - Thedas -  within a larger sphere = Fade. The Crossroads being a totally different sphere, but still inside the much larger sphere - the Fade.  The only difference is that the Crossroads isn't as separate from the Fade given that it doesn't have the Veil, because the Veil is a structure created by someone (the ancient dwarves when they had magic - theory). That's why it's "closer" to the Fade.

[leaguer of one]

 

 

But yeah, the intersecting theory is new! Haven't seen it before. XD

 

EDIT: Right, this is becoming a habit. I need to learn to type faster. Or stop time.

It's not new. Remember the dalish say the fade is another world all together.

[midnight tea]

It's not new. Remember the dalish say the fade is another world all together.

 

They also say many things we know now aren't true.

[midnight tea]

And yet somehow the crowsroad are closer to the veil to the point of being able to walk in  it then thedus.

 

That's because of the nature of the Veil and not where Crossroads lie.

[leaguer of one]

That's because of the nature of the Veil and not where Crossroads lie.

not exactly. power is always need to cross it but it takes much  less power to do so in the cross roads. Remember, Morrigan said that there is a barrier there.

[midnight tea]

It's not about the barrier, but the nature of it. And it's NOT a simple, physical barrier.

[leaguer of one]

They also say many things we know now aren't true.

With how intangible the fade is in thedus and the fact that there was  time it was not connected to thedus...i would label this a true.

[leaguer of one]

It's not about the barrier, but the nature of it. And it's NOT a simple, physical barrier.

Then why is that place close to the fade and need extremely less power to cross in to it? in thedus you need to a dreamer bounded to a spirit, make a city made just to slaughter people for years, or a super power foci to cross over.

[robertthebard]

I'm just going to stick to the evidence that you linked. At 7:09 in the video that was linked to prove that the crossroads is in the Fade, Morrigan states rather clearly that it's not in the Fade. I live really close to Oklahoma, but that's not actually in Oklahoma.

[leaguer of one]

I'm just going to stick to the evidence that you linked. At 7:09 in the video that was linked to prove that the crossroads is in the Fade, Morrigan states rather clearly that it's not in the Fade. I live really close to Oklahoma, but that's not actually in Oklahoma.

And then she says the crossroad are closer to the fade. As i said before being in the boat in the oceans does not mean you in the ocean...it means you're in the boat.

[Lethaya]

If I step one foot closer to a puddle that's three feet away, my feet still won't be wet.

[midnight tea]

Then why is that place close to the fade and need extremely less power to cross in to it? in thedus you need to a dreamer bounded to a spirit, make a city made just to slaughter people for years, or a super power foci to cross over.

 

 

If the Fade was a separate dimension and the Veil was anything close to physical, would dreamers be able to cross about it at all, even if in dreams? Bah - would any dreaming creature be able to cross to it, consciously or not? How is it that minds can flow to it pretty much freely, which only supports the notion that the barrier - the Veil, specifically - is more construct that has more to do with mind or attitude than a strictly physical thing?

Morrigan has explained what Crossroads is - it's NOT the Fade, but it's very close to it (not in terms of distance, but similarity). Crossroad is simply NOT as complex as Thedas. Hence crossing to Fade itself is easier via those 'pocket realities', which - by the way - is noted to be detoriating.

[leaguer of one]

If I step one foot closer to a puddle that's three feet away, my feet still won't be wet.

And I never said the cross road is the fade.