...except for : Elven lore the land past the elviouns that are in the fade.(which we walked into in dai.) the fact the elves of old made these pockets in the fade. all the lore about the abyss and how it can make th elven gods go made. and the the sealing of the forgotten ones and elven gods. And the fact the blight was found to be older then the tevinter empire being that we found it in a dwarven thag older then human civilization.
Sorry but we have a lot of proof.
And I never said the cross road is the fade.
See that bolded line in your quote above? That's where you said the Crossroads were in the Fade. If you're not sure what you're trying to say, why are you still trying to say it, because you're all over the place here; it is in the Fade, it's near the Fade, then this one, I never said it was in the Fade. So you've literally been all over the place in this offshoot of the discussion.
Well, how is it that dreamers can cross to the Fade with "but a thought" in favorable conditions, according to Solas? In fact, if the Fade was a separate dimension and the Veil was anything close to physical, would dreamers be able to cross about it at all? Bah - would any dreaming creature be able to cross to it, consciously or not? How is it that minds can flow to it pretty much freely, which only supports the notion that the barrier - the Veil, specifically - is more construct that has more to do with mind or attitude than a strictly physical thing?
Morrigan has explained what Crossroads is - it's NOT the Fade, but it's very close to it (not in terms of distance, but similarity). Crossroad is simply NOT as complex as Thedas. Hence crossing to Fade itself is easier via those 'pocket realities', which - by the way - is noted to be detoriating.
I said dreamers bounded to a powerful spirit. that means the super abomination form of a dreamer. we could make one in da2. And you're not getting what dimensions mean. dimensions can cross with each other with out physically touching each other. Added elements of each dimension can still interact with each other, like if a 3-d object crosses a 2-d dimension, any being in the 2-d world would only see the 3-d object as a giant flat circle. They won't be able to see the the 3-d object is a spherical ball. it not a fusing. It's like water going through a strainer.
And no Morrigan does not mean it's close in similarity. Remember, it's artificially made. it's a pocket in the fade. It's not the fade it's in it.
See that bolded line in your quote above? That's where you said the Crossroads were in the Fade. If you're not sure what you're trying to say, why are you still trying to say it, because you're all over the place here; it is in the Fade, it's near the Fade, then this one, I never said it was in the Fade. So you've literally been all over the place in this offshoot of the discussion.
Dude, that statement mean we walk into the cross roads not the fade. Saying I walked on the boat that's in the sea does not mean i said I walked in the sea.
Sorry, but there's NO specific or scientific definitions of 'dimension' (aside form surface dimensions), especially for the world of Thedas. It's a very vague concept, especially if we're talking about fantasy or sci-fi - while you yourself seem to be thinking that you know details about it or how they work - yet from the discussion it appears that you don't. As it was pointed out to you, you're all over the place.
And no Morrigan does not mean it's close in similarity. Remember, it's artificially made. it's a pocket in the fade. It's not the fade it's in it.
Yes, she does mean exactly that and additional comments from Rift Mage specialization only confirm it. And it doesn't matter how it's made - I can make artificial heart made out of lab-grown tissue, which makes it virtually the same compared to naturally grown heart, both in shape and function. I can also take naturally grown tissue and make heart out of it - the hart will be artificial, even if the material is not.
Sorry, but there's NO specific or scientific definitions of 'dimension' (aside form surface dimensions), especially for the world of Thedas. It's a very vague concept, especially if we're talking about fantasy or sci-fi - while you yourself seem to be thinking that you know details about it or how they work - yet from the discussion it appears that you don't. As it was pointed out to you, you're all over the place.
Yes, she does mean exactly that and additional comments from Rift Mage specialization only confirm it. And it doesn't matter how it's made - I can make artificial heart made out of lab-grown tissue, which makes it virtually the same compared to naturally grown heart, both in shape and function. I can also take naturally grown tissue and make heart out of it - the hart will be artificial, even if the material is not.
1. then you never heard of wave theory then. And it does not matter if thedus does not have the concept of it. The fade is still a senerio of the concept.
2. Nope, she never says the place is similar to the fade. try again or link to it.
Also - the only similar thing in Solas' "Hermit" card and the stained glass is frontal position and right hand (one is holding fire and another a key. Hardly the same.
The shape of the fire in solas' hand is the same as the shape of the mark. The mark is referred to as a 'key' by several characters.
1. then you never heard of wave theory then. And it does not matter if thedus does not have the concept of it. The fade is still a senerio of the concept.
2. Nope, she never says the place is similar to the fade. try again or link to it.
She does in fact say that the place is near the fade. The inquisitor says it's like the fade.
Why are you backtracking?
The crossroads and a design that doesnt fit sera's card doesnt make her an Elven god.
This was a hell of a first-thing-in-the-morning kind of read.
I entered the thread intrigued, and left thoroughly confused. I can't even work out what the argument is any more, let alone form something constructive to say I think I'm going to have to turn in my temporary Tinfoil Hat Brigade membership card
I entered the thread intrigued, and left thoroughly confused. I can't even work out what the argument is any more, let alone form something constructive to say I think I'm going to have to turn in my temporary Tinfoil Hat Brigade membership card
Haha, it's alright. I'm in the same boat. My membership card's on lockdown until further notice; the bank called and told me I need to start being significantly more conspiratorial before I build a permanent record of "taking things at face value."
I entered the thread intrigued, and left thoroughly confused. I can't even work out what the argument is any more, let alone form something constructive to say I think I'm going to have to turn in my temporary Tinfoil Hat Brigade membership card
Mwahahahahahaha, our tricked worked, quick, mind nuke her...
And, I never got the extra Morrigan dialogue while at the crossroads so I already have already gain many a boon.
Fantastically fun and much to think about.
I know it can get heated, but I hope you all are having as much fun with the cannon debate and different theories as I am.
I agree with this, Interesting and fun. One thing though, when I first saw the Sera romance (?) card, with her right hand in the air and pointing up, her legs in an open stance and her left hand pointing down between her legs, I thought right away about the poster for the movie "Saturday Night Fever":
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saturday_Night_Fever
Copy of poster in the usual right hand corner of entry. Just, in your mind, rotate the image of Travolta 90 degrees counterclockwise
Youtube video of excerpt. from movie. Cause even tho I hated Disco when it came out. It is fun music:
Don't mind me but could this mean that John Travolta who is a member of a religious cult whose name I dare not mention because they scare the ****** out of me, is Andruil?
Edit Now that I thought about it, in some ways Saturday Night Fever was a decent movie with its portrayal of a working-class post immigrant, (Italian-American) family. Just that this is something you tend not to see in Hollywood movies or television. The plot was a condescending take on this type of situation: dysfunctional family, unemployed angry father, low end service job which Travolta's character only escapes by eh... dancing.
On the other hand, you can think of it as a somewhat flawed mediation on the issues of social and economic mobility as faced by those at the low end of the strata,Thematically and plot wise this seems to relate to and maybe inspired DAI Sera's own back story Travalota dances, Sera learns how to use a bow, Travolta and partner train for a dance contest, and achieve temporary glory, Sera becomes a Red Jenny and seems to have found her way out of the grinding poverty of the Alienage. Aparently, there is a dance scene if you have a romance with Sera.
I don't think any of this negates the Andruil theory, just adds an key level of nuance to any interpretation of who or what Sera is.
Regarding Sera, I noticed one tiny connection that's not truly noticeable unless you go looking for it. The Void is considered to be "Nothing" and Sera's gravestone in The Fade says her fear is "Nothing" so perhaps it's not too far-fetched a theory. Same with Cole fearing "Despair" even though it's implied "Compassion" can be corrupted into "Fear" but perhaps it could be both?
I entered the thread intrigued, and left thoroughly confused. I can't even work out what the argument is any more, let alone form something constructive to say I think I'm going to have to turn in my temporary Tinfoil Hat Brigade membership card
The Solas reveal now means that no one is allowed to just be an elf anymore.
5 Sovereigns says that any elf companions in DA4 will get their own elven god threads.
I'm just not getting where this "Elf God Supremacy" thing came from. Solas is a wolf-thing and suddenly that means all the Old Gods are actually Elven and Flemeth is one of them and oh my dear god Bioware you write lore like a 12 year old writes fanfiction.
I don't think any of the old gods are related to the elven pantheon. Solas resembling Shartan is no big deal. There are many bald white male elves. Shartan depicted holding a key is symbolic of him earning the freedom of his people from slavery. Look at the other images in his depiction. There are chains in the background.
Sera's card is also not proof. If anything, her card is meant to mock Dalish symbolism by making her arrow look like a penis. Her using a bow also means nothing. She uses a bow. Of course that's going to have a similarity to vallaslin depicting a bow.
Cole's, and Solas', comments to her are just because she has a hidden talent of seeing beyond, which is the case among many elves, like the one babbling about her grandmother's pendant in the Denerim alienage.
1. then you never heard of wave theory then. And it does not matter if thedus does not have the concept of it. The fade is still a senerio of the concept.
2. Nope, she never says the place is similar to the fade. try again or link to it.
1. I'm sorry, but cherry-picking and applying elements of real, physical theories to the high fantasy world is nothing more than exercise in futility. Thedas itself might resemble our world to the point that physical phenomenons work very similar to how they do in ours, but that doesn't mean that you can explain it all (including the existence of realm powered and shaped by will of sentient creatures) by either wave, string or quantum theory.
I'd ALSO like to point out that these, as well as many other physical theories or calculations have been mangled and cherry-picked to "prove" anything at this point - from existence of invisible, pink unicorns to Space Jews from Mars.
2. Why do I have to try again? Everybody here heard Morrigan say "This is not the Fade, but it's very close".
The shape of the fire in solas' hand is the same as the shape of the mark. The mark is referred to as a 'key' by several characters.
How is a roughly "S" shaped flame (which is also of different color) in any way similar to a straight line across Inquisitor's palm? Now, this is BEYOND grasping at straws now.
Quick lesson on symbolism in Western art: figures carrying flame (or light, be it in form of a flame or say torch or lantern) usually symbolize a person carrying the light of knowledge, which is perfectly consistent both with Solas' personality and role, as well as tarot card picked for him (The Hermit).
If anything, the fire symbolizes subtle, thematic connection to one of the most famous - as well as tragic - European tricksters: Prometheus, the benefactor of mortals, who saved them from wrath of gods and subsequent destruction, most famous (or infamous, depending on perspective) for bringing fire back to humanity - an act for which he suffered severe consequences.
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(no sarcasm or anything!)
I think I'm going to have to turn in my temporary Tinfoil Hat Brigade membership card 
