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[hanoobken]

The game is team-based after all, so who gives a damn about the ability to solo perilous?

 

That's why I like ZITHER so much, because he relies on teamwork and only shines with a coordinated team. One-man shows are boring.

Who said anything about a one-man show? I play with a complete team all the time and none of us are barrier dependent.  We welcome it when it's there but wouldn't miss it if it isn't.  Point is he's comparing the Avvar's and Katari's ability to take hits and I'd like him to show me.

[Drasca]

Anyone saying the Avvar is weak hasn't played him enough! He just plays differently than the other warriors. He has two good abilities for generating guard, and an ability that functions like a mobile static cage. Most of his abilities have decently fast cooldowns as well. He's nowhere near the tank the legionaire is but he's on par with the Katari tank-wise if you spec and play him right.

 

I've played him quite a bit with my gear, but without most of my stats. He's still paper-thin. I can absolutely dominate threatening, but only with extreme end-game gear. I suspect I can start to do better in Perilous, but that's due to promotes allowing the crit abilities to actually function, rather than the kit being inherently balanced.

 

He's certainly NOT on par with the Katari Tank wise. Katari are a living wrecking ball of doom with 2k+ health, guard on hit, and knockdown / stun on half 3/4th his moves. Avvar does not stagger, and only sometimes shocks/freezes. He does chill. His Crushing Leap is also... ugh. I really love his Lady's Wrath, but it will not be nearly as effective as the enemy health scales up.

[hanoobken]

Flow of Battle IMO would go a long way for the Avvar since you can't combat roll your way out of potentially lethal situations.

[OutlawJT]

Yeah?  Do you play him on perilous without a babysitter?  Would like to see you in action without a barrier mage holding your hand.  I'm not saying you can't do it, but I'd like to see you do it.  I'm sure some guy with massive stats is going to come on here and prove me wrong sooner or later, but I wouldn't compare Avvar's guard generation to the current Katari's.

 

 

I haven't tried him on perilous yet. I don't have the massive promotions required to solo perilous. I have gotten through the Fereldan map on threatening without a barrier user without much trouble, though. And yes the Katari has slightly superior guard generation over the Avvar. What the Avvar has instead is lots of damage reduction. It does just as much good as the Katari's guard generation when used properly. Time your abilities right and the Avvar can tank a group by reducing damage almost completely before it even hits his guard. It's dependant on finding large groups in close quarters but it can be very impressive. His weakness is widely spread out archers/wraiths. 

[nibyl]

Flow of Battle IMO would go a long way for the Avvar since you can't combat roll your way out of potentially lethal situations.

Indeed, I'm quite surprised he doesn't have either of those abilities.

[Kapsejs]

To be honest, I'm kind of glad the Avvar isn't as durable as the Katari. Because if they both had similar mobility, damage output AND guard generation the Avvar would still have his elemental attacks, so then that class would have an unfair advantage over the Katari. He's a bit squishy, but that just means that you can't charge straight into a group of enemies without thinking, not unless you want to spend the rest of the games on your knees wondering what this "green, wobbly place is."

 

Actually, he reminds me about the Katari back when

[nibyl]

Still, I wish he had flow of battle.

[hanoobken]

I haven't tried him on perilous yet. I don't have the massive promotions required to solo perilous. I have gotten through the Fereldan map on threatening without a barrier user without much trouble, though. And yes the Katari has slightly superior guard generation over the Avvar. What the Avvar has instead is lots of damage reduction. It does just as much good as the Katari's guard generation when used properly. Time your abilities right and the Avvar can tank a group by reducing damage almost completely before it even hits his guard. It's dependant on finding large groups in close quarters but it can be very impressive. His weakness is widely spread out archers/wraiths. 

That's the thing.  You can't really gauge a character's survivability based on threatening.  Most of us can play on threatening just fine with any character, even the ones people consider "lacking" on perilous.  It is on perilous where it starts to fall short in comparison with the other two 2-hand warriors.  Your survival on perilous depends largely on your ability to CC and/or dish out damage quickly enough for you to stand a fighting chance (or rely on a babysitter which I dislike quite a bit).  Both Reaver and Katari are capable of that.  Avvar has some of those capabilities too but falls short due to the fact that Flow of Battle is missing and he is the only warrior that doesn't have it.

[Beerfish]

These observations must all be on perilous correct?

[capn233]

These observations must all be on perilous correct?

 

I'm pretty sure they are talking about routine.

[hanoobken]

These observations must all be on perilous correct?

It is the benchmark.  Yes.  There may be a few who are content with playing routine/threatening but many if not most people actively playing will want to move on to a higher difficulty eventually.  I know I do, and everyone else on my friends list.

[Beerfish]

It is the benchmark.  Yes.  There may be a few who are content with playing routine/threatening but many if not most people actively playing will want to move on to a higher difficulty eventually.  I know I do, and everyone else on my friends list.

That should be clearly stated at the beginning of a thread on the topic.  I've run low level avarr and Isabelas on threatening and there was really no problem.

[TormDK]

It's always dangerous to assume that a certain difficulty is the measurestick of balance (if indeed balance is a thing, I doubt it is though), especially when you try and speak on behalf of a huge playerbase.

 

I very much doubt Perilous is the benchmark by which people play this game.

[hanoobken]

It's always dangerous to assume that a certain difficulty is the measurestick of balance (if indeed balance is a thing, I doubt it is though), especially when you try and speak on behalf of a huge playerbase.

 

I very much doubt Perilous is the benchmark by which people play this game.

So you're saying the massive outcry to nerf AW was based on his ability to survive and solo routine/threatening?  People complaining about Alchemist and Hunter being weak is also based on routine/threatening?

[BreakJohn]

came to the same conclusion as drasca. sure my promotes may be out of whack right now, but that doesn't change the fact the avvar is seriously lacking on the beefy side. sure i dominated threatening, as most of us here can with pretty much any class; but even on that difficult i was feeling his squishyness. and this is with whats currently considered end game gear(sulevin, sup health belt, sup hok, sup stamina amul,). he really does feel like the katari pre buff right now. 

[Drasca]

. he really does feel like the katari pre buff right now. 

 

I can tell you right now he's worse than Katari pre-buff. I was absolutely dominating pre-buff with Katari, the buff just added to that. I was doing the same with post buff, pre stats fix. Still waiting to download new DLC to check if promotes were fixed with my account though.

[apocalypse_owl]

I can tell you right now he's worse than Katari pre-buff. I was absolutely dominating pre-buff with Katari, the buff just added to that. I was doing the same with post buff, pre stats fix. Still waiting to download new DLC to check if promotes were fixed with my account though.

 

The promotions stats still apply, the number just glitched.

[TormDK]

So you're saying the massive outcry to nerf AW was based on his ability to survive and solo routine/threatening?  People complaining about Alchemist and Hunter being weak is also based on routine/threatening?

 

I am saying that the 15-20 users on this forum complaining do not have the impact you seem to believe they have.

 

Blar's telemetrics is where it's at. The vast majority of players do not check these forums.

[Kenny Bania]

The promotions stats still apply, the number just glitched.

 

I've heard otherwise. A dev seemed to agree too.

[hellbiter88]

I don't think there is any real concerns, majority of us can't compare to Beta so we don't know what we are missing out on..  I am just happy there is some new characters, a map and dragons..

 

A good attitude. You should have seen the glory that was the duelist before the nerf, though. I, myself, solo'd nearly an entire map including a perilous dragon with virtually no equipment and no stats using the duelist. Wave actually succeeded in soloing that perilous dragon.

 

 

The survivability rivaled that of the AW. And given that there already IS an AW, it's a shame Bioware didn't just let this one be.

[Chief Capo]

LMFAO. Duelist is far from trash, ESPECIALLY on perilous blinding shot n broadside = expert crowd control. Matter of fact, bolt is basically my main attack n flashing steel generally 1hk0s anything that gets close JUST because of vendetta [ the new herpes ] paired with the upgrade. . Not that they'll be damaging me anyways :] now, the avvar on the other hand... Hmmmm

[Theghostof_timmy]

The avvar is very effective at smacking down packed groups... but so is every other character.  His survivability is very much in question. If I was going to change him, I would have him gain guard based on elemental damage, to keep him different from the katari. Sorta like the AW, maybe 10% of your elemental damage is converted to guard.

[Bocochoco]

Lvl 18 duelist on PS4
2nd in group of top tier players
11,000k per hit or more with crits using red birth and walking death when using that challenge ability. Procs quite often I might add and I can't take damage as I've always got evasive

[JAMiAM]

Anyone saying the Avvar is weak hasn't played him enough! He just plays differently than the other warriors. He has two good abilities for generating guard, and an ability that functions like a mobile static cage. Most of his abilities have decently fast cooldowns as well. He's nowhere near the tank the legionaire is but he's on par with the Katari tank-wise if you spec and play him right.

 

 

I will say the Avvar has one distinct drawback. His toughness and survivability functions in direct relation to the number of enemies he's fighting. He thrives taking on tight clusters of enemies, pumping out guard and damage in a nice steady stream as long as he has enemies to stomp on. When he has to face lots of stragglers and spread out archers/wraiths is when he starts to seem paper thin. His damage potential and survivability grow the more enemies are in close proximity to him.

I like this human.  He understands.

[Zorinho20_CRO]

I was away for just few days (had to finish some Heists) and I don't know what the f are u people talking about