So now we need CMs and a Volus shieldboosting and you still go down? I see.
"now"? I fully admitted you can still get overwhelmed under certain circumstances, so a volus is helpful. And why would you ever try to tank plat without CM? That's just silly.
You are not wrong... but Arc Grenades are excellent at ****** up biotics, too. Which isn't very team oriented.
Then skip Electrical evolution.
"now"? I fully admitted you can still get overwhelmed under certain circumstances, so a volus is helpful. And why would you ever try to tank plat without CM? That's just silly.
No, I don't "tank" anything with my Juggernaut, I destroy stuff. AM3 is the better mod for it anyway, because you can actually avoid a few sources of damage like that. Brutes for example.
Your idea of a Juggernaut with Volus support has one huge, obvious flaw: Lack of dps.
Then skip Electrical evolution.
Hush, I'm not talking with you and I'm not the one with the Arc nades. Go back to your corner.
We are not talking about a juggy getting support from a volus just so he can tank melee a enemy which can only be done 1 at a time, unless using the light melee for the radius effect.
If you need to carry a volus for shield boosting in your back pocket just so you look like the Statue of Liberty, that becomes repetitively boring. If you are doing that to get melee point for Challenge points, its far easier to go do a solo and get all the melee points you want that way,
other than that, it all comes down to personal preference and if that's how someone wants to play go for it go for it, others will alter that playstyle to suit their own needs.
If you want melee points, then using a Krogan Vanguard, Soldier or Warlord would be much more efficient.
Sure is.
Holy crap, I knew I recognized that name somewhere! I now know the true power of the Revenant, and I owe it all to him.
If you want melee points, then using a Krogan Vanguard, Soldier or Warlord would be much more efficient.
Ya its not efficient, but it is the only melee that restores shields. All other melees pretty much only gives you more damage.
Ya its not efficient, but it is the only melee that restores shields. All other melees pretty much only gives you more damage.
Could use a Shadow with shield drain evolution, too.
Could use a Shadow with shield drain evolution, too.
OK go shield drain a banshee/crab on gold or platinum and stand there constantly boosting your shields.
Let me know how it turns out.
No, I don't "tank" anything with my Juggernaut, I destroy stuff. AM3 is the better mod for it anyway, because you can actually avoid a few sources of damage like that. Brutes for example.
Your idea of a Juggernaut with Volus support has one huge, obvious flaw: Lack of dps.
Hush, I'm not talking with you and I'm not the one with the Arc nades. Go back to your corner.
It's not a "flaw". The point of the build is pure survival for tanking to draw aggro off of teammates. The idea is to sacrifice your dps to allow teammates to do more focused fire instead of having to waste time running around the map or taking cover. It's meant for more team oriented play than "everyone scatter and shoot". I despise the codkid "run and gun" mentality.
Though I don't remember, whats AM stand for again? (On pc now so I don't have all the gear for reference anymore)
If you are trying to go melee jugg for straight damage though, I agree, there's better options. You go melee jugg to tank, not dps. Well that and absolute VENGEANCE upon all phantoms lol.
Hush, I'm not talking with you and I'm not the one with the Arc nades. Go back to your corner.
But do you agree that my reply was scientific?
The idea is to sacrifice your dps to allow teammates to do more focused fire instead of having to waste time running around the map or taking cover.
Sure. So you tank, the Volus shield boosts and that leaves two guys to do actual damage instead of all four killing stuff. As I said, obvious flaw.
And if you believe that a Juggernaut tanking stuff means the rest of the team can run around freely without needing cover, then you are delusional.
Sure. So you tank, the Volus shield boosts and that leaves two guys to do actual damage instead of all four killing stuff. As I said, obvious flaw.
And if you believe that a Juggernaut tanking stuff means the rest of the team can run around freely without needing cover, then you are delusional.
"run around freely without needing cover". Whoever said that?
Nah, what we did before was hide in the crate, and have the jug just stand outside the crate, and the other three (volus is optional, but the little guy DOES still have a gun, remember), and blow the hell out of the cluster of enemies accumulating at the Juggernaut.
Think of the formation like a bug zapper lol.
It's fun for those of us who get bored just doing the old run and gun routine, and would rather use tactics to create a chokepoint like back before stages were patched.
"run around freely without needing cover". Whoever said that?
Nah, what we did before was hide in the crate, and have the jug just stand outside the crate, and the other three (volus is optional, but the little guy DOES still have a gun, remember), and blow the hell out of the cluster of enemies accumulating at the Juggernaut.
Think of the formation like a bug zapper lol.
It's fun for those of us who get bored just doing the old run and gun routine, and would rather use tactics to create a chokepoint like back before stages were patched.
... you're talking about the box of shame.
Oh great. The ****** box of shame.
That's your brilliant tactic? That's a horrible tactic which you'll notice the very moment an enemy lobs a grenade at you.
... you're talking about the box of shame.
Oh great. The ****** box of shame.
That's your brilliant tactic? That's a horrible tactic which you'll notice the very moment an enemy lobs a grenade at you.
Except the can't lob grenades in the box because they focus on the Jug who isn't in the box.
But no, I was just using that as an example to help you visualize because I know everyone knows about that box.
like I said, its not banshees, praetorians or phantoms that are the danger to a juggernaut, its ravagers and primes at a distance.
And if you believe that a Juggernaut tanking stuff means the rest of the team can run around freely without needing cover, then you are delusional.
It's called Arc Nades. You should try em.
It's fun for those of us who get bored just doing the old run and gun routine, and would rather use tactics to create a chokepoint like back before stages were patched.
Yeah, for those of the people who get bored for doing the good ol' routine, they will now switch to the "hold the B button for 40 minutes" fun instead.
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOL@ Box of Shame being tactical or teamwork. It's scrubbery used by terrible players at its finest, which usually becomes apparent on the first objective wave.
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOL@ Box of Shame being tactical or teamwork. It's scrubbery used by terrible players at its finest, which usually becomes apparent on the first objective wave.
Ah, yes, so call of duty logic is rampant here as well? Shame.
Ah, yes, so call of duty logic is rampant here as well? Shame.
This has nothing to do with Call of Duty, especially since I never played it.
Camping isn't bad, but limiting your operational area to a closet at the end of a map is inefficient. How long do you plan to wait for an Atlas to walk all over Rio until you can fight it?
Where's the fun if you disregard almost everything available to you and instead spend 40+ minutes holding down one button? Are you even seeing what's happening or is your screen filled with walls, a Hex Shield and a flamer?
Doing the box of shame means you are unable or unwilling to play the game as it was meant to be played... and instead of finding a clever shortcut, you make it last way longer than necessary. It means you are not ready to play Platinum, it means you lack the necessary skill and should go back to Gold or better, Silver.
I've played games for 20 years now, a lot of them online. Multiplayer, MMOs etc. Shooters, RPGs, PvE, PvP... everything. Nowhere would such a tactic garner approval because it is seriously flawed and most of all, exceedingly boring. It doesn't even make sense. You could play two gold matches in the same time, earn more credits, complete more challenges, get more exp and actually have fun doing so.
Looking down at experienced players for not agreeing to your own, personal playstyle is silly already. When your playstyle is the box of shame, then you shouldn't promote it or try to convince anyone that it is better. It makes you look like someone holding up a neon sign saying, "I'm a clueless idiot, please laugh at me!".
I get banned for 4 days and this is what I come back to.
I get banned for 4 days and this is what I come back to.
Welcome back! You've been missed.
Probably.
One time on Xbox I followed a Jug around and just made Heavy Melee sound effects at him over the mic for an entire game. Starting on Wave 3 I could no longer do it without laughing
Ah, yes, so call of duty logic is rampant here as well? Shame.
CoD pug lobbies are full of retards laying prone in dark corners or bushes with motion sensors/ heartbeat monitors instead of trying to do the objectives, so I don't know what you're getting at with this analogy unless you are being self referential. Maybe if you actually played a shooter instead of just deriding them as "run n gun lol" you might actually be able to make a cognizant metaphor.
Exploiting the flawed design of a single map and how it interacts with bad enemy AI isn't "strategy". You stand in the box, spam one button for 45 minutes and hope that you get easy objectives that either a lone good player or your bad team can accomplish before running out of gels. It is an unintended playstyle as evidenced by the fact that two maps were changed just to make such exploits less viable (White and Glaicer).
Being mobile requires far more tactical/ strategic acumen, because it is up to you to control the enemies and kill them quickly enough to prevent yourself from being overwhelmed, not bad map design doing it for you while you hold a button down. Further, it is objectively much more efficient/ faster because you can actually seek out the enemies yourself, and in the opinions of virtually everyone that isn't a bad player trying to leech credits in a difficulty they don't belong in, it is more fun. Finally, it is the intended playstyle as evidenced by the fact that it works on more than one or two maps.
You know, it's pretty amazing that such a lousy tactic as the box of shame became and still is very popular to this day. Pugs sure gravitate toward useless knowledge over knowledge that's actually useful.
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