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[Dreamer]

Event if it's "nice" or whatever they're not going to do it because that would be pandering. Bioware is a business. They exist to make money through video games, not to be your friend or be "nice" to you. 

 

They're obviously ignoring the "complaints" because they're not valid. Why would they bother with more hair/armor/outfit options for a finite SP game? The majority of the userbase probably finished the game and moved on to something else. 

 

Seriously, this board is full of OCD weirdoes. 

 

Really? Did I read this correctly?

 

You have to be kidding me if you don't think BioWare panders to anyone--especially because pandering guarantees a specific audience...

 

In less controversial terms: "Pandering" is simply the process of giving people what they want. In this case, BioWare has (or hasn't) identified the groups they want to sell things to and they've aligned their practices thus.

[Captain Wiseass]

Event if it's "nice" or whatever they're not going to do it because that would be pandering. Bioware is a business. They exist to make money through video games, not to be your friend or be "nice" to you. 

 

They're obviously ignoring the "complaints" because they're not valid. Why would they bother with more hair/armor/outfit options for a finite SP game? The majority of the userbase probably finished the game and moved on to something else. 

 

Seriously, this board is full of OCD weirdoes. 

As an OCD weirdo, I take umbrage at that statement.

[AppalachianApex]

Event if it's "nice" or whatever they're not going to do it because that would be pandering. Bioware is a business. They exist to make money through video games, not to be your friend or be "nice" to you. 

 

They're obviously ignoring the "complaints" because they're not valid. Why would they bother with more hair/armor/outfit options for a finite SP game? The majority of the userbase probably finished the game and moved on to something else. 

 

Seriously, this board is full of OCD weirdoes. 

 

Then this is clearly not the thread for you, feel free to leave it alone

 

The requests are perfectly valid and have been inquired about since before the launch of the game. Bioware has done a pretty great job of listening to fan feedback and being involved in the community with Inquisition. But the lack of definitive interaction with their consumer/fan/player base leads to confusion and disappointment. That's really all there is to it.

[Captain Wiseass]

Really? Did I read this correctly?

 

You have to be kidding me if you don't think BioWare panders to anyone--especially because pandering guarantees a specific audience...

 

In less controversial terms: "Pandering" is simply the process of giving people what they want. In this case, BioWare has (or hasn't) identified the groups they want to sell things to and they've aligned their practices thus.

Oh, goody, now we get to have the "doing what I want is listening to the fanbase, doing what you want is pandering" discussion.

 

No one ever seems to consider the idea that Bioware does what they want, and any overlap with a given fan or group's desires is coincidental.

[Shechinah]

As I said in the remainder of my original post, it'd be nice and would solve a lot of issues if they simply gave us a "yes" "no" or "maybe so" in regards to some of the most heavily requested fan feedback/issues.additions.etc.

Without any confirmation, people were well in there rights to assume the BE would address a few of these simple and vocally complained about issues, because it was a perfect fit.

 

Despite my own issues in regards to how Bioware handles communication, I'll have to say that I do not consider it a good idea to make assumptions about things that are neither confirmed nor denied because it is almost always a sure-fire way to be disappointed. 

 

While Bioware's communication with the forums stands to be improved, in my opinion, I'm not so sure they should be held responsible for assumptions people make when they have offered nothing to fuel these assumptions.

 

That said, when they have said "(we) are looking into it" about something then I would consider it a nice courtesy of them if they would post when it became apparent to them that the something could not be implemented.

 

The "Black Emporium" has been improved from the previous installment and used to adress some concerns people have and it can be improved further by adding hairstyles and such additional things but it would be improvement because regardless of how "Black Emporium" would be seen as a perfect fit for these things, the original "Black Emporium" did not add them, if I remember correctly, and so I find the assumption, the expectation, that this "Black Emporium" would have them solely because it potentially can a bit faulty an assumption.

[Cheviot]

Honest question; did you read the original post?

 

Because that's not quite the case. The issue is a lack of communication, not people complaining about free stuff. Although there are inevitably those who will complain about the wrong things for the wrong reasons, this is not such a thread.

Yep.  And, even though my post was in response to a specific question, it applies to the thread as a whole: whereas yourself and the OP believe the fact that Bioware never mentioned certain features could be used as an indicator that they could include them and would therefore explain why some people are acting outraged, I believe that some people, in fact a lot of us, enjoy finding ways to be outraged so we can indulge in spirited games of King of the Hill, or argue constantly about definitions of things or whatever.

[AppalachianApex]

Despite my own issues in regards to how Bioware handles communication, I'll have to say that I do not consider it a good idea to make assumptions about things that are neither confirmed nor denied because it is almost always a sure-fire way to be disappointed. 

 

While Bioware's communication with the forums stands to be improved, in my opinion, I'm not so sure they should be held responsible for assumptions people make when they have offered nothing to fuel these assumptions. Yes, if they have posted something that says they are looking into it and then they find that they cannot implement it then it would be nice if they'd post that it was the case when that became apparent.    

 

I agree with you. They shouldn't be held responsible for the assumptions that people make.

 

The issue is, that issue could be avoid with a simple yes, no, or maybe. Boom. Done. We know what we will and won't be getting.

People shouldn't assume, but they will. Because these are issues that players have been offering feedback on since before the launch of the game and because the Black Emporium update seemed to be the perfect opportunity to address them.

 

But again, the lack of communication is the issue, not what is or isn't there.

[Captain Wiseass]

"Mom and Dad haven't said anything about getting me a Porsche for my birthday! Clearly this means they're getting me a Porsche!"

[Dreamer]

Oh, goody, now we get to have the "doing what I want is listening to the fanbase, doing what you want is pandering" discussion.

 

No one ever seems to consider the idea that Bioware does what they want, and any overlap with a given fan or group's desires is coincidental.

 

No we don't get to have that conversation, because it's not what I said. But I suspect you know this...

[AppalachianApex]

"Mom and Dad haven't said anything about getting me a Porsche for my birthday! Clearly this means they're getting me a Porsche!"

 

Anybody can put words into other peoples mouths to blow their stance out of proportion.

 

If you have nothing constructive to offer and disagree with the topic of the thread, I don't quite see the gain of you trying to start an argument when there isn't one to be had.

[Captain Wiseass]

No we don't get to have that conversation, because it's not what I said. But I suspect you know this...

Doesn't matter if it's what you said. The word has been mentioned, and now, they will come.

[Captain Wiseass]

Anybody can put words into other peoples mouths to blow their stance out of proportion.

 

If you have nothing constructive to offer and disagree with the topic of the thread, I don't quite see the gain of you trying to start an argument when there isn't one to be had.

I was attempting to illustrate by example that the assumptions were inherently foolish and that Bioware has no responsibility to either abide by them or dissuade fools from holding to them.

 

Or, to be more blunt: Your position is logically untenable. I realize you may not want to hear that, but there's no rule saying I only have to post things you want to hear. I can in fact disagree with you as much as I want, if only in the hopes of convincing more reasonable onlookers.

[AppalachianApex]

I was attempting to illustrate by example that the assumptions were inherently foolish and that Bioware has no responsibility to either abide by them or dissuade fools from holding to them.

 

Or, to be more blunt: Your position is logically untenable. I realize you may not want to hear that, but there's no rule saying I only have to post things you want to hear. I can in fact disagree with you as much as I want, if only in the hopes of convincing more reasonable onlookers.

 

If my suggesting that Bioware would clear up a lot of confusion by way of a simple "yes" "no" or "maybe" is logically untenable to you, then I'm afraid I don't see the point in conversing with you further.

 

You're well within your rights to continue to rant on a thread that you disagree with. I just think it's pretty sad.

Have fun I suppose :/

[Drantwo]

If my suggesting that Bioware would clear up a lot of confusion by way of a simple "yes" "no" or "maybe" is logically untenable to you, then I'm afraid I don't see the point in conversing with you further.

 

You're well within your rights to continue to rant on a thread that you disagree with. I just think it's pretty sad.

Have fun I suppose :/

I think he has the right to disagree with opinions that people put forward in this thread. It is just that he/she is unbelievably rude and does not go for constructive argument. So, you can always ignore

[AppalachianApex]

I think he has the right to disagree with opinions that people put forward in this thread. It is just that he/she is unbelievably rude and does not go for constructive argument. So, you can always ignore

 

That's the plan

[Handsome Jack]

Haven't you realized by now Bioware doesn't care about any of us any more? The only people they talk to, listen to, and care about are EA's employees and, more importantly, corporate executives. Everyone else be damned, they are EA's pet and outright thrall.

[AppalachianApex]

Haven't you realized by now Bioware doesn't care about any of us any more? The only people they talk to, listen to, and care about are EA's employees and, more importantly, corporate executives. Everyone else be damned, they are EA's pet and outright thrall.

 

I disagree. In fact, I think Bioware has done a great job with Dragon Age Inquisition. No Day one DLC, huge amounts of content, no locked companions, etc. Furthermore, they've added quite a few things that player have asked for in these very forums. the ability to change the color of our armor for one. Hell, the Black Emporium update itself was suggested in these very forums for quite some time. And now boom, we've got it.

 

In fact, I'm incredibly thankful for the BE update. It's a really cool addition we got free-of-charge, as I said in the OP. But that still doesn't mean that the original point doesn't stand. A lot of confusion and disappointment and false expectations could be avoided if Bioware had more direct communication with the fans who offer feedback for the game.

[Torgette]

I've seen a couple of threads like this today, this one much more civil I might add, so I'm not getting at folk here.

 

What I don't understand is:

1. Why is free stuff met with anger?
2. Why is stuff that was not promised, a surprise when it is not in the Black Emporium (which is very like the DA2 version).
3. Why do folk keep insisting it's so 'easy to do' when BioWare have previously tweeted that it isn't.
   (and maybe that's not a definitive 'no', but it's close enough)

And what's the rage about? 

• Hairstyles
• Base Skyhold clothing
• Armour sets

I understand these may be nice to haves, but since when do game developers have to prioritise angry fan demands over planned DLC?

 

Dragonslayer is an awesome piece of DLC and the pained debate here is about casual clothing... 

 

Yeah, I don't get it either, and honestly stuff like the armor/hairstyles/skyhold clothing has yet to annoy me. I could totally get the beard issue, but remaking your PC in the mean time isn't going to break the bank, people need to chill out.

[Kierro Ren]

I don't think so. There are so many threads filled with hateful comments that in the end it doesn't matter who's right or who's wrong. A lot of people here behave like animals. The kinder and friendlier people are rare.

 

Well... fine then. I'll take my freshly baked cookies elsewhere hmph..... Oh ok, I'll give you one   

[Handsome Jack]

I disagree. In fact, I think Bioware has done a great job with Dragon Age Inquisition. No Day one DLC, huge amounts of content, no locked companions, etc. Furthermore, they've added quite a few things that player have asked for in these very forums. the ability to change the color of our armor for one. Hell, the Black Emporium update itself was suggested in these very forums for quite some time. And now boom, we've got it.

 

In fact, I'm incredibly thankful for the BE update. It's a really cool addition we got free-of-charge, as I said in the OP. But that still doesn't mean that the original point doesn't stand. A lot of confusion and disappointment and false expectations could be avoided if Bioware had more direct communication with the fans who offer feedback for the game.

 

"Thankful" for a tiny update adding some items and other **** that should've been in the game to begin with? I dunno man. I don't think Bioware listens to us at all. They do solely what EA tells them to, and we all know EA's execs would sell off their own souls for a few pennies if they could. Bioware obeys EA, EA obeys its shareholders, its shareholders obey money.

[AppalachianApex]

"Thankful" for a tiny update adding some items and other **** that should've been in the game to begin with?

 

Yes.

Very thankful in fact. It's great content and it's free and it's based on fan feedback. There's no reason not to be thankful. 

[Handsome Jack]

Yes.

Very thankful in fact. It's great content and it's free and it's based on fan feedback. There's no reason not to be thankful. 

 

It was DLC that was in the game months ago, before release even, as with all EA DLCs. It's shocking they aren't charging for it, I'll give you that, but it doesn't change the fact that you shouldn't be "thankful". Bioware carefully cut the DLC out of the original game to repackage later; every single DLC yet released for Inquis was already IN the game, yet they cut it out to sell it later. That's how EA DLC works.

[AppalachianApex]

It was DLC that was in the game months ago, before release even, as with all EA DLCs. It's shocking they aren't charging for it, I'll give you that, but it doesn't change the fact that you shouldn't be "thankful". Bioware carefully cut the DLC out of the original game to repackage later; every single DLC yet released for Inquis was already IN the game, yet they cut it out to sell it later. That's how EA DLC works.

 

Sorry you think that way, it really has to suck.

[wolfsite]

A few of them have said that they use social networks a lot and they don't have the time to handle discussions on several different services at once so they just choose one and stuck with it (such as twitter).

 

But again I don't blame them, the last time an employee posted here regularly every single thing that was typed was torn apart, taken out of context, and then thrown back in the persons face with anger and vile despite the fact the employee was trying to get feedback and trying to answer questions as best they could.

[wolfsite]

"Thankful" for a tiny update adding some items and other **** that should've been in the game to begin with? I dunno man. I don't think Bioware listens to us at all. They do solely what EA tells them to, and we all know EA's execs would sell off their own souls for a few pennies if they could. Bioware obeys EA, EA obeys its shareholders, its shareholders obey money.

and people wonder why the staff don't visit here.