The entitlement in this community is unbelievable. It's like the Blight; it spreads and taints everything it touches.
BioWare don't owe us any explanations for free, optional content. If it was a game-breaking bug which they took months to resolve, then yes, a case could be made that they definitely should let us know what's up. But for some cosmetic nonsense that in no way affects the way the game works? Oh Lorde...
All that would prove is Bethesda isn't the best at fixing things either. We shouldn't lower our standards because of this.
I don't understand.
The entitlement in this community is unbelievable. It's like the Blight; it spreads and taints everything it touches.
BioWare don't owe us any explanations for free, optional content. If it was a game-breaking bug which they took months to resolve, then yes, a case could be made that they definitely should let us know what's up. But for some cosmetic nonsense that in no way affects the way the game works? Oh Lorde...
You must have really low standards then. That's fine for you, not for us. I don't think wanting the developers to interact, and if not interact, communicate is a high standard. I could also argue that cosmetic issues do affect the game. Not how it works, but how it feels, and therefore your enjoyment.
I don't understand.
You compared Bioware not fixing things to Bethesda not fixing things. All I meant was that every company in gaming could suck at patching, but that shouldn't mean we lower our standards and accept it. Bioware should do better, and Bethesda should. I don't think Bethesda not patching things is an excuse for any other company to do the same, that's all. I hope that makes sense.
I pointed out two things in bold. One, that the devs are paid for their work. Two, that the modders had to make their own modding tools. Neither of which are ironic.
Now, since you seemed to have missed the entire point, let me clarify this in a simple manner. I have not asked for something the size of DLC. I am asking for mod sized fixes. I have never said it is easy to make the Black Emporium, what I have said is that a simple retexture or recolour of the Skyhold Jammies, or the option to wear armor instead, should be easy to implement. I understand that the Frostbite 3 engine is not suited towards RPGs and, although I do question the choice to use the engine, I understand certain features had to be cut in order to complete the game on their deadline. I would like to see more memorable side quests, but the main focus of my response was that Hair and Jammies are the two most widely requested things, and yet they have not been dealt with. While hair is more complicated than the texture swap or re-colour option for the jammies, it should still be entirely possible as a smaller fix. Its not like anyone is asking for 100's of hairstyles. Another 2 maybe 3 hairstyle options would probably make a large amount of the community rejoice. Hell, they wouldn't even have to be full on new hairstyles. If someone was to go in and take out sideburns from some options, and patch up some of the balding on others I'm quite certain the community would at least be somewhat satisfied, I know I would be pretty damn happy.
I do not see how this is anywhere near "impossible" standards.
Fixes to what, exactly? Hair and clothes? Those are aesthetics. They don't fix anything since they're not broken. Also, just because BioWare claims to listen to fan feedback doesn't mean they're going actually going to implement all the requests. It's their game and they'll improve what they want, as well as ignore whatever they wish to ignore.
I'd like more hair options and better Skyhold clothes, but I'm not going to spam the forums whining about how BioWare are the worst ever for not providing a "fix" for this nonissue.
Seriously, it's like dealing with petulant children sometimes.
You compared Bioware not fixing things to Bethesda not fixing things. All I meant was that every company in gaming could suck at patching, but that shouldn't mean we lower our standards and accept it. Bioware should do better, and Bethesda should. I don't think Bethesda not patching things is an excuse for any other company to do the same, that's all. I hope that makes sense.
Oooh, okay. I think you may have misquoted who you were responding to. 
You could ask Bethesda the same question. Skyrim had game breaking bugs that players fixed months before they did. It's why I finally had to sell my Xbox 360 copy when I had my companion with -1000% armor rating (meaning she takes +1000% damage from all attacks) because the armor reduction shout is permanent, stacking, and affects all NPCs. Modders fixed it, I have no idea if they have.
This is a completely different situation. This is a game-breaking bug that Bethesda were irresponsible and incorrect for not addressing, and they should be held accountable.
You must have really low standards then. That's fine for you, not for us. I don't think wanting the developers to interact, and if not interact, communicate is a high standard. I could also argue that cosmetic issues do affect the game. Not how it works, but how it feels, and therefore your enjoyment.
If my copy of the game didn't work I'd be up in arms about it. What you're whining about is a completely banal non-issue. Yet you come here demanding that the devs give out reasons for why they do things; newsflash--they don't have to (and probably won't). BioWare is a game development company not a politician.
Fixes to what, exactly? Hair and clothes? Those are aesthetics. They don't fix anything since they're not broken. Also, just because BioWare claims to listen to fan feedback doesn't mean they're going actually going to implement all the requests. It's their game and they'll improve what they want, as well as ignore whatever they wish to ignore.
I'd like more hair options and better Skyhold clothes, but I'm not going to spam the forums whining about how BioWare are the worst ever for not provide a "fix" for this nonissue.
Seriously, it's like dealing with petulant children sometimes.
You really think my OP sounds like the whining of a petulant child? I thought it sounded constructive and understandable, and most other posters have been the same. In my OP, multiple times, I even highlighted the difference between wanting, hoping for, requesting, demanding, and expecting. I never demanded anything. I don't spam the forums whining and neither do I call Bioware the worst people ever. This extensive hyperbole for the express purpose of making us look worse than we are while establishing you as being on a maturity-high-ground makes you sound a lot more like a child than us, and it's ironic.
Oooh, okay. I think you may have misquoted who you were responding to.
Sorry about that! I'm trying to respond to too many different things 
If my copy of the game didn't work I'd be up in arms about it. What you're whining about is a completely banal non-issue. Yet you come here demanding that the devs give out reasons for why they do things; newsflash--they don't have to (and probably won't). BioWare is a game development company not a politician.
Yet another non-post. Do you really think I'm not aware that I have no authority over Bioware? That they have the right both legal and otherwise to not listen to me and do whatever they see fit? I didn't realize the world had changed so much while I wasn't looking that polite requests and honest feedback are not only demands, but somehow bad. Not to mention it's not a non-issue. It's in fact an issue for me and many, many other players. Just because you don't have an issue with something doesn't make it less valid for everyone else.
If my copy of the game didn't work I'd be up in arms about it. What you're whining about is a completely banal non-issue. Yet you come here demanding that the devs give out reasons for why they do things; newsflash--they don't have to (and probably won't). BioWare is a game development company not a politician.
There's whining and demanding being done, but not by the OP, by you.
You whine when people make perfectly reasonable and understandable requests and take great care to explain them and emphasize that they understand the difference between their asking for additions and major game-changing "fixes." You demand that posters agree with you and balk like a child when they don't. You continue to carry on in a thread that you clearly disagree with, trying to start debates and arguments when there are none to be had.
Nothing the OP posted is unreasonable or over-reaching. If you disagree, that's fine. But for goodness sake let it go.
Just because you don't have an issue with something doesn't make it less valid for everyone else.
I've read "Me Gimmie Mine U Suck EAware" threads before, and this isn't one of them. I found it similar in tone to folks asking why a single BioWare representative including the community manager hardly ever speaks to the community.
I'm almost 100% positive the reason why BW wouldn't want to implement an armor toggle for Skyhold is because of cutscenes. I've used the Cheat Engine to toggle my armor on, and even with pretty low-profile mage hoodies there's some clipping and weirdness with the camera. Modders are free to flip that switch because they don't have to worry about the game's integrity past giving players the short-term fix they want. BW doesn't have that luxury.
And, really, that's what most of your complaints come down to. Modders can do the things they do because they don't have to worry about anything beyond the specific thing they're doing. BW doesn't have that luxury. They have to pay attention to everything, and even when they are trying the complicated nature of the engine means that stuff still gets screwed up (and more people get angry). And this is on top of working on whatever comes next.
Fixes to what, exactly? Hair and clothes? Those are aesthetics. They don't fix anything since they're not broken. Also, just because BioWare claims to listen to fan feedback doesn't mean they're going actually going to implement all the requests. It's their game and they'll improve what they want, as well as ignore whatever they wish to ignore.
I'd like more hair options and better Skyhold clothes, but I'm not going to spam the forums whining about how BioWare are the worst ever for not providing a "fix" for this nonissue.
Seriously, it's like dealing with petulant children sometimes.
I don't exactly see how I am spamming the forums, nor calling Bioware the "worst people ever" considering I have (repeatedly) given them credit where credit is due. I am asking for something I want, and yes I should have used the word "change" instead of "fix", but silly me didn't think anyone would start riding my ass about it. What is so wrong with expressing my own wants, likes and dislikes in the Feedback and Suggestions forum? Should I instead go start a pitchfork-wielding-angry-mob outside their offices?
Month 8. People have gathered outside Bioware offices by the thousands. The mob wields pitchforks and torches, threatening to burn the offices if no Jammie changes are released.
(and now before someone tries to ban me for the italicized bit, it's a joke. 100% not serious. Laugh and move on. 
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Thanks, people 
It's a bit draining to try to respond to everything and counter so many things.
I found it similar in tone to folks asking why a single BioWare representative including the community manager hardly ever speaks to the community.
We have one of those?
I'm almost 100% positive the reason why BW wouldn't want to implement an armor toggle for Skyhold is because of cutscenes. I've used the Cheat Engine to toggle my armor on, and even with pretty low-profile mage hoodies there's some clipping and weirdness with the camera. Modders are free to flip that switch because they don't have to worry about the game's integrity past giving players the short-term fix they want. BW doesn't have that luxury.
And, really, that's what most of your complaints come down to. Modders can do the things they do because they don't have to worry about anything beyond the specific thing they're doing. BW doesn't have that luxury. They have to pay attention to everything, and even when they are trying the complicated nature of the engine means that stuff still gets screwed up (and more people get angry). And this is on top of working on whatever comes next.
I understand your point, but have two things to say about it:
1. If they think the people who want an armour toggle are going to particularly care if there's a bit of clipping, they're misreading us again. It's more than worth it.
2. If they cared so much about clipping, there wouldn't be so much of it in the game. Iron Bull's shoulder pads constantly go through his head. Blackwall's beard clips through his mandatory outfit just to name a couple. I really don't mind these things, they don't bother me at all, I'm just pointing it out. Not to mention tinting of the Skyhold outfit wouldn't increase clipping.
I don't exactly see how I am spamming the forums, nor calling Bioware the "worst people ever" considering I have (repeatedly) given them credit where credit is due. I am asking for something I want, and yes I should have used the word "change" instead of "fix", but silly me didn't think anyone would start riding my ass about it. What is so wrong with expressing my own wants, likes and dislikes in the Feedback and Suggestions forum? Should I instead go start a pitchfork-wielding-angry-mob outside their offices?
Month 8. People have gathered outside Bioware offices by the thousands. The mob wields pitchforks and torches, threatening to burn the offices if no Jammie changes are released.
(and now before someone tries to ban me for the italicized bit, it's a joke. 100% not serious. Laugh and move on.
I've exhusted my likes for the day, but I'd give ya one if I could XD
I've exhusted my likes for the day, but I'd give ya one if I could XD
its for the italicized bit isn't it? I seem to get a lot of likes for those.
Perhaps I should just start making my point by solely making up stupid story-scenarios rofl
Yep, pretty much everything in this game is clipping, so I don't see why how that argument against hair can be serious at all. I don't even mind the clipping and most people who use mods don't mind it too.
I find it also a bit strange that they can give us two completly new throne models but no armor and so on. I mean, they are pretty, but I don't remember anyone asking for these? Shouldn't other things be more important? It's cool to provide players of the previous games with these special things as a reward, but should't they focus on the current players of this game first?
I agree with everything you said. If this forum had a community manager who could clarify those issues with a simple "yes we work on that /no we don't" most of us would actually stop complaining so much. That's like a win-win situation.
Yep, pretty much everything in this game is clipping, so I don't see why how that argument against hair can be serious at all. I don't even mind the clipping and most people who use mods don't mind it too.
Seriously. I'm playing the Winter Palace right now and it's hilarious how many things clip. My human Inquisitor's neck clips with his suit, Brialla's hair clips through her mask, Morrigan's hair clips through her cheek, the list goes on and on. And that's just clipping issues, to say nothing of the many Ballgoers who are stuck moonwalking in place XD
And it's not these technical issues that bug me, they don;t. But that notion that Bioware can't or won't make additions and fixes that players have requested for fear of clipping or other technical issues is downright laughable.
I'm actually disappointed that there's not an armor toggle for Skyhold. That outfit has to go. BW won't fix the broken elf arms; the least they could do is get rid of that outfit that cause my elf to look emaciated.
I forgot about the broken Male elf arms :/
Dang, and I was gonna start a male elf playthough next too...
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