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World of Thedas Volume 2: Eleanor Cousland was a pirate.


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This is crap.
 
Part of this would throw my own main character's origin story into conflict! :angry:
 
This implies that Eleanor did not even marry Bryce until after the rebellion had ended and Maric was coroneted in 9:3. This means even Fergus is 26 at most, and figure the human noble is 25 at most by the time Origins starts. But more likely the human noble is about 19 or so based on how Fergus talks to him/her.
 
My human noble was 30 at the beginning of Origins!
 
If WoT were true, it would make the human noble much younger than Anora. In which case their match would not be good one.
 
There are some other plot holes in this new story as well regarding Denerim, Highever, Bryce, and his father.
 
BioWare should retract this story and name in non-canon.
 
Though Eleanor being a ship commander is okay.


Well, that sucks and all, but headcanon gets smashed like that.

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Good thing it isn't headcanon then. I was careful to find canon facts to back up the possibility that the human noble can be as old as 30 in Origins if the players choose such.

 

But as I wrote this new story for Eleanor contradicts other pre-established lore as well, such as the battle of Denerim, the history of Highever, and Bryce and William's backstories.



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I have serious doubts about the Human Noble's father calling him/her PUP if he/she were 30.... 



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Good thing it isn't headcanon then. I was careful to find canon facts to back up the possibility that the human noble can be as old as 30 in Origins if the players chooses such.

But as I wrote this new story for Eleanor contradicts other pre-established lore as well, such as the battle of Denerim, the history of Highever, and Bryce and William's backstories.

I would like actual sources for your arguments. Otherwise it's just someone whining about their headcanon getting crushed.

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I have serious doubts about the Human Noble's father calling him/her PUP if he/she were 30.... 

 

Then such would be the case for any human noble, even one that is 18. Besides, you don't know the context of that nickname. It may have nothing to do with age, but rather references the youngest offspring.
 



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I would like actual sources for your arguments. Otherwise it's just someone whining about their headcanon getting crushed.

 

That's a fair demand. Which argument in particular? Just the one regarding the Cousland's age, or the ones regarding Denerim, Highever, and the elder Couslands?



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That's a fair demand. Which argument in particular? Just the one regarding the Cousland's age, or the ones regarding Denerim, Highever, and the elder Couslands?


Let's see them all.
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Well it's certainly not what I planned on doing tonight (thanks BioWare), but I suppose I can put something together. Give me a while so I can post something worthy of everyone's time.



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Then such would be the case for any human noble, even one that is 18. Besides, you don't know the context of that nickname. It may have nothing to do with age, but rather references the youngest offspring.
 

"Pup" to me sounds like an endearing nickname given to a child given the term's origin of being used for juvenile dogs.  I still do not think such a term would be used to refer to a man/woman of 30.

 

All indications in the origin to me leads to the Human Noble as being young, untested, inexperienced.  The dialogue with the parents regarding staying watch over Highever are heavily ladened with assurance that the "pup" is trusted and can handle it.  To me this points to a Human Noble much much younger than 30.

 

This is my opinion of course.  You are more than welcome to have it your way in your own game.


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"Pup" to me sounds like an endearing nickname given to a child given the term's origin of being used for juvenile dogs.  I still do not think such a term would be used to refer to a man/woman of 30.
 
All indications in the origin to me leads to the Human Noble as being young, untested, inexperienced.  The dialogue with the parents regarding staying watch over Highever are heavily ladened with assurance that the "pup" is trusted and can handle it.  To me this points to a Human Noble much much younger than 30.
 
This is my opinion of course.  You are more than welcome to have it your way in your own game.


On top of all that, I have a hard time believing that a noble wouldn't be married by the time they were thirty, unless they were promised to the Chantry or Templars, which the younger Cousland isn't.
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I posted a new thread about it in this forum. Can't miss it.



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I'm just going to brush off your buffoonery here and YES, I know what privateer means. Do you want me to list its similar counterparts as well? There's corsairs and raiders too. Think this through. In ME2, the Alliance also have their own privateers like Jacob said and even though they are supposed to hit the mercs for them, the Alliance still wants to maintain minimal contact with them in case the corsairs did something that could tarnish their image.

But giving a ruling title to a raider? I'll let you figure out the consequences. Same thing why Rivain don't bestow a title equivalent to that of a bann to your "oh-so-REAL pirate queen" Isabela.

Its not like privateers were never rewarded in real life. Sir Francis Drake was knighted by Queen Elizabeth for privateering the Spanish especially well.

 

That said, strictly speaking her marriage to Bryce isn't legally the same as giving her a ruling title; she isn't the ruler except insofar as her husband allows her to use the perks of his title. And unless he was responsible to a head-of-family at the time there's not much anyone can do to prevent him from doing that. (Unless Ferelden's crown can veto marriages, which seems like exactly the sort of power Ferelden wouldn't give a monarch.) Or did the WoT story state that she was made a Bann for her services and then Bryce married the newly-minted noblewoman he'd fallen in love with while she was a commoner?

 

(Edit: Now that I read the original post more closely, is the idea that her father being a Bann and being a raider were separate, and that her father was a legal (or, considering the occuptation, probably more "rightful") Bann who pirated on his own free time? Because I don't see why one would interfere with the other unless he was hitting Ferelden ships.)