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I thought the puzzle was before you run into the elves which is when she said this


Hm. That may be. Even so, the point still stands: It's a rather daring (if not irrational) assumption that killing the elves is faster than the alternative. And that's without even taking into account the moral implications of making such a simplified trade-off (guaranteed genocide of the elves vs. probable casualties among own troops; killing uninvolved bystanders vs. soldiers dying in their line of duty; etc).

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Hm. That may be. Even so, the point still stands: It's a rather daring (if not irrational) assumption that killing the elves is faster than the alternative. And that's without even taking into account the moral implications of making such a simplified trade-off (guaranteed genocide of the elves vs. probable casualties among own troops; killing uninvolved bystanders vs. soldiers dying in their line of duty; etc).

 

This may be a difference in which faction you choose but in my game with the mages as allies, I could have sworn the choice was between following Samson and his men down a hole or completing the trials. Again, it may be me misremembering but I think Cassandra had her focus on following Samson and his soldiers.

 

As a note; Apparently, she possibly had different banter because I heard some claim she made comments that I do not remember she did in my game during the "Temple of Mythal" questline. 


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Hm. That may be. Even so, the point still stands: It's a rather daring (if not irrational) assumption that killing the elves is faster than the alternative. And that's without even taking into account the moral implications of making such a simplified trade-off (guaranteed genocide of the elves vs. probable casualties among own troops; killing uninvolved bystanders vs. soldiers dying in their line of duty; etc).

 

From my understanding she makes the comment about not wanting to waste time costing Inquisition lives when you have the choice of doing the puzzle or chasing after Sampson/Calpernia without the assumption of killing the elves because they're already fighting the Venatori/Red Templars



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TBH I'm just confused now, and it's a long time back that I played through this particular scene. I just remember having a serious 'wtf cassie' moment there that pushed me over the 'meh cassie' edge into 'omg cassie gtfo' territory. :P

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TBH I'm just confused now, and it's a long time back that I played through this particular scene. I just remember having a serious 'wtf cassie' moment there that pushed me over the 'meh cassie' edge into 'omg cassie gtfo' territory. :P

 

According to at least one person, Cassandra apparently makes an unfortunate comment about elves and their religion during the trials which was completely at odds with how I had seen her acting so I'm bit suspecious towards the possibility that she may have different dialogue during the quest.  


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I can be a villainous Inquisitor? I wish! That's probably my top-1 gripe about DA:I, the INability to build an evil, iron-fisted inquisition, ideally one that rules by fear and that uses the orb -- instead of destroying it -- to its own ends.

(I know I said I wouldn't get into this any more but... yes, a lot of characters have dark aspects to them, e.g. Leliana as the spymistress. But at least she's up-front about it, not like certain others that try to dress everything they do in a pretty, maker-fearing, whitewashed, bigoted blanket or deride others for actually thinking first and acting second (chasing dog-tails etc.). Also, Cassandra had better got a good reason to assume that fighting through a small army of ancient elf guards takes less time, and therefore demands less victims, than simply paying respects to a statue! Maybe thinking once in a while isn't such a bad idea after all.)

 

Meh. Personal crusade in a video game. Recipe for disaster. I think I'll pass any more. 



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Cassandra can hate politics all she cares for. Supporting the civil war for "rightful" ownership over the throne, loss of tons of soldiers and civilian lives..


I prefer Gaspard to Celine and Briala myself but Cassandra isn't exactly above supporting a violent solution.

To add to that...

Yeah the Gray Wardens were dumb (thanks bioware for making the one faction I liked the most become written into incompetence) but she was heavily angry at me for giving them a second chance. Somehow Templars who were manipulated by Coryphmous or w/e his name is are deserving of mercy or partnership instead of ownership where they are casted off as blasphemous apostates below mercy.

One conversation with Cole and her made me somewhat soften my dislike of her character in dai I suppose when she expressed concern or horror with what happened to a Mage under a templars abuse of power. It's not that I completely dislike her, it's just hard to like her character for myself as she takes stances I don't agree with
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Cannon: Zevran is dead.

He was a **** anyway.



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Well they haven't singled out one man in the game to criticise the appearance of, repeatedly call him a woman, question that any normal straight woman could find him attractive and claim that his design is artistically and scientifically flawed, for starters.

 

Yeah but the number of "OMG Solas is Balllld eewwww" posts I've seen far outnumber those of men who aren't satisfied. Women are just as picky and shallow.


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It doesn't. But does it make her bad?

 

Shallow but no, not bad. I'm easily annoyed by little girls who only care about eyecandy just as I'm easily annoyed by the guys who only want big ****** and chainmail bikinis.


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Cannon: Zevran is dead.

He was a **** anyway.

 

Canon and canonically the only person to be deceased is Loghain. They couldn't even keep Anders and Leliana dead, so its all subject to designer/writer fiat anyhow. He gets a bit part if you somehow kept him alive in later portions, where as Zevran is part of Isabela's backstory. 


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2 thumbs up. I love girl power and often play as a female protagonist, who ain't let no man keeping her down, but I need more eye candies. 

 

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2 thumbs up. I love girl power and often play as a female protagonist, who ain't let no man keeping her down, but I need more eye candies.

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I support that -- but can I make a similar post when a not-brevnau makes a post asking for more straight male interest? :o

 

editing this part: I used him as an example. I think everyone should have eye candy. Everyone.



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From my understanding she makes the comment about not wanting to waste time costing Inquisition lives when you have the choice of doing the puzzle or chasing after Sampson/Calpernia without the assumption of killing the elves because they're already fighting the Venatori/Red Templars

I don't want to keep derailing this thread, but I'm pretty sure that's what happened.

 

According to at least one person, Cassandra apparently makes an unfortunate comment about elves and their religion during the trials which was completely at odds with how I had seen her acting so I'm bit suspecious towards the possibility that she may have different dialogue during the quest.  

Yeah, if you go thru the ritual, at certain tines Cassandra will make comments along the lines of : "They don't really believe this heathen nonsense!" about some of the aspects of Elvan religion. I thought it was out of character in that I don't remember her being so chauvanistic. Maybe she was stressed out?

 

 

Cassandra can hate politics all she cares for. Supporting the civil war for "rightful" ownership over the throne, loss of tons of soldiers and civilian lives..

....

 

Actually want to refer to an earlier quote, but i don' want to change pages. I wasn't aware cassandra reacted that way if you allowed Celine to die. Have to look into it.

 

 

About the OP.  

You should think up some examples about what you mean by "cool guys". No offense but I'm pretty sure no Bioware writer is going to read your comments and say to him or herself "AhHah, right. Need more cool guys." Or maybe they will and understand what you mean, what do I know.

 

Did you like Thane from ME2? I remember reading that his character was designed based on feedback from femaile staffers(?). 



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The thing is that to increase eye-candy for other demographic it would take away from other. For example OP wants more male characters and less female characters in the game. You can't just keep pouring more and more characters in the game, the thing to look here is gender balance. If OP's request was fullfilled gender balance would highly lean towards male characters, which would take away from other players enjoyment. I think gender balance at the moment is pretty equal and I like it personally the way it is.

 

Having characters who are always eye-candy is restricting. It limits developer a lot, having to trying to balance between preferences that players have and make character appealing to those who aren't attracted to her/him either. It limits stories developer can tell, looks and personalities of characters they can create. Does character have to be conventionally pretty for people to appreciate them? Does they have to look young (20-30) to beatiful? Should they have no flaws or dark past, because someone might dislike whole character, because of these flaws or their past? If yes, these things will limit developers and characters they can create a lot.

 

Also one's eye-candy, one's eye-sore is problem as well. Not everyone likes same things and game full of eye-candy for someone can be game full of eye-sore for other. I think Terodil earlier said don't look if you don't like about eye-sore, but if creating one's eye-candy makes my eye-candy (like Cassandra) eye-sore well I wouldn't be too happy about it.



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The thing is that to increase eye-candy for other demographic it would take away from other. For example OP wants more male characters and less female characters in the game. You can't just keep pouring more and more characters in the game, the thing to look here is gender balance. If OP's request was fullfilled gender balance would highly lean towards male characters, which would take away from other players enjoyment. I think gender balance at the moment is pretty equal and I like it personally the way it is.

 

Having characters who are always eye-candy is restricting. It limits developer a lot, having to trying to balance between preferences that players have and make character appealing to those who aren't attracted to her/him either. It limits stories developer can tell, looks and personalities of characters they can create. Does character have to be conventionally pretty for people to appreciate them? Does they have to look young (20-30) to beatiful? Should they have no flaws or dark past, because someone might dislike whole character, because of these flaws or their past? If yes, these things will limit developers and characters they can create a lot.

 

Also one's eye-candy, one's eye-sore is problem as well. Not everyone likes same things and game full of eye-candy for someone can be game full of eye-sore for other. I think Terodil earlier said don't look if you don't like about eye-sore, but if creating one's eye-candy makes my eye-candy (like Cassandra) eye-sore well I wouldn't be too happy about it.

 

I think the thing about eye candy is do you want to see all this graphic sex in the game? Isn't DA:I nearly a porn as is? That's the obvious question.



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Bioware knows they have female players, they also know they have lesbian players.

 

If you google "BUTCH LESBIANS" you will see a lot of familiar hairstyles present in Dragon Age Inquisition. This is not a bad thing, but it took me a while to figure this out since I was so shocked at first.

 

If someone knows a nicer way to put it other than butch lesbians , please let me know, it's the only way I know how to describe some of the hair in inquisition, thanks.

 

LINK TO GOOGLE IMAGES - https://www.google.c...s&tbm=isch&sa=X

After seeing all these images, it makes me wonder why Cassandra was not a lesbian romance.



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Bioware knows they have female players, they also know they have lesbian players.

 

If you google "BUTCH LESBIANS" you will see a lot of familiar hairstyles present in Dragon Age Inquisition. This is not a bad thing, but it took me a while to figure this out since I was so shocked at first.

 

If someone knows a nicer way to put it other than butch lesbians , please let me know, it's the only way I know how to describe some of the hair in inquisition, thanks.

How about women? That's a nicer way to put it.



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Having characters who are always eye-candy is restricting.


The same strawman over and over again. It's not about ALWAYS eye-candy, it's about SOME eyecandy. There is a massive difference, and repeating this trite argument over and over again doesn't make it any more representative of the requests at hand.
 

Does they have to look young (20-30) to beatiful? Should they have no flaws or dark past, because someone might dislike whole character, because of these flaws or their past? If yes, these things will limit developers and characters they can create a lot.


You're mixing in a ton of issues without any real relevance to the matter to paint the requests as more restrictive than they actually are. I think you'd be hard-pressed to find people who would honestly say that Flemeth (as in DA2) was not beautiful. Also, once again, I and most others seem to be talking about simple visual beauty. We are long past discussing the issue of attractiveness (including character etc) vs beauty.
 

but if creating one's eye-candy makes my eye-candy (like Cassandra) eye-sore well I wouldn't be too happy about it.


I understand that. Right now I'm sticking post-its on my screen when Cassandra appears (this statement contains 80% joke). In any case, yes, you are right when it comes to defined characters. We are at an impasse there because you love Cassandra's look and I don't, and I want something else and you don't. So you win atm thanks to the developers' support, I hope to win next time. (Though tbh even if they did turn Cassie into a supermodel, her character would still ruin it for me, so it doesn't really matter all that much...)

This whole argument falls flat though if there are ways to support options, e.g. with regard to armor or even companion customisation like in SWTOR. Nobody needs to have eye-sores, and everybody can have eye-candies, if not everywhere (which could indeed be boring), at least in some places. And considering past mods, I don't think it'd involve all that much effort to make properly either.
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Bioware knows they have female players, they also know they have lesbian players.

 

If you google "BUTCH LESBIANS" you will see a lot of familiar hairstyles present in Dragon Age Inquisition. This is not a bad thing, but it took me a while to figure this out since I was so shocked at first.

 

If someone knows a nicer way to put it other than butch lesbians , please let me know, it's the only way I know how to describe some of the hair in inquisition, thanks.

*insert laughing gif here*



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How about women? That's a nicer way to put it.

 

The truth is more important.

 

Google "women" and the results are completely different than compared to "butch lesbians". 

 

I'm just trying to show you where the inspiration comes for a lot of the hairstyles for Inquisition. I do not mean this in any sort of negative manner, only to show that females of all walks of life are represented in DAI.



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The truth is more important.

 

Google "women" and the results are completely different than compared to "butch lesbians". 

 

I'm just trying to show you where the inspiration comes for a lot of the hairstyles for Inquisition. I do not mean this in any sort of negative manner, only to show that females of all walks of life are represented in DAI.

Try harder son.



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The truth is more important.

 

Google "women" and the results are completely different than compared to "butch lesbians". 

 

I'm just trying to show you where the inspiration comes for a lot of the hairstyles for Inquisition. I do not mean this in any sort of negative manner, only to show that females of all walks of life are represented in DAI.

 

I have some truth to say

 

But I'm not allowed to say them  :wacko:



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Do some people exist to just follow not-Brevnau around and post snarky gifs/insults? As annoying as he is, these other posters are catching up to him in this regard.


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