The truth is more important.
Google "women" and the results are completely different than compared to "butch lesbians".
I'm just trying to show you where the inspiration comes for a lot of the hairstyles for Inquisition. I do not mean this in any sort of negative manner, only to show that females of all walks of life are represented in DAI.
And the truth is by definition butch lesbians are women.
Do some people exist to just follow not-Brevnau around and post snarky gifs/insults? As annoying as he is, these other posters are catching up to him in this regard.
Well I don't know about Ares but I was here before he showed up.
I'm not reading through this thread, but it should be obvious why 'guy-on-guy' action is extremely rare even in what we might call 'progressive' fiction. Because men are disgusted by it, whereas women tend to be, at worst, indifferent to lesbian interaction. There are, of course, reasons for this. There always are.
If you look at pretty much any mainstream fiction that has gay people, lesbians are overwhelmingly more present than gay men. Dragon Age, Mass Effect, the Fallout series, Borderlands...all of them have way more explicit lesbian content and are far, far, far more careful with their gay content.
And I approve. I don't want to spend my time with fiction that concerns gay men being explicitly gay. And I would be pissed off if the same standards were applied to the genders.
Well I don't know about Ares but I was here before he showed up.
I was also here before he showed up I just happened to have that pic at hand lol
I'm not reading through this thread, but it should be obvious why 'guy-on-guy' action is extremely rare even in what we might call 'progressive' fiction. Because men are disgusted by it, whereas women tend to be, at worst, indifferent to lesbian interaction.
If you look at pretty much any fiction that has gay people, lesbians are overwhelmingly more present than gay men. Dragon Age, Mass Effect, the Fallout series, Borderlands...all of them have way more explicit lesbian content.
And I approve. I don't want to spend my time with fiction that concerns gay men being explicitly gay.
Yeah but a secondary question is whether most people want that in a video game in the first place?
I noticed in the KISA thread how there was this resistance towards having the gay characters always being promiscuous, now we have a thread asking for more promiscuous male characters.
Really, the question is just, is Bioware just going to keep increasing the amount of graphic sex in the game? BG didn't have any, now we have DA with it's ever popular sex scenes, then DA:I they add in breasts, now we're going to add in girl-girl, guy-guy action, I suppose it's only a matter of time before there is an orgy.
Granted, the OP was addressing more than just that, characterization generally.
Yeah but a secondary question is whether most people want that in a video game in the first place?
And the truth is by definition butch lesbians are women.
Okay, so from now on when I want to google information on lesbians, i will type women from now on to make you happy. Bioware logic ftw. Okay you win mr smart guy. You are too pc and it blinds you
I really don't think the two issues are all that related...You could easily have a very promiscuous gay man who constantly flirts and talks about sex and whatever without ever showing nudity. Likewise, you could easily have a very reserved character and a very explicit sex scene.
Personally, I really think they should cut the sex scenes and stick to fades to black, and I struggle to see why many players are so neurotically demanding of them.
I feel this is the prize question. I bet most of us would be neither in the 'NO! omg nonaynever' camp, nor in the 'ALL the time, I want a porn simulator' camp. The problem is that 100'000 people will have 100'005 (statistical average) opinions on where exactly the sweet spot is.
I personally could handle, and might appreciate, a bit more romance/sex content, but that's simply because I consider love and sex to be a good thing, and therefore a balance to killing and maiming stuff all the time. Make love, not war, kinda.
Generally speaking while I can appreciate the naked male (and female) form it's in a lot of high art etc, I have very little or zero interest seeing it in games, and I especially have zero interest in graphic sexual activity (of any kind). I'm not offended by it necessarily, in fact I watch GoT and think it's amazing, but I just kind of turn off and it has no resonance, which is kind of what the game should be aiming for in my opinion. It's odd playing games or watching anime and feeling that way, but I am often dissatisfied with the major Disney movies (or whatever) that approach it that way for unrelated and different reasons.
Sex is something you do (and hopefully well), not watch, I guess, I don't know.
I think the thing about eye candy is do you want to see all this graphic sex in the game? Isn't DA:I nearly a porn as is? That's the obvious question.
Care to explain some more? I can't quite connect your reply to my post.
The same strawman over and over again. It's not about ALWAYS eye-candy, it's about SOME eyecandy. There is a massive difference, and repeating this trite argument over and over again doesn't make it any more representative of the requests at hand.
You're mixing in a ton of issues without any real relevance to the matter to paint the requests as more restrictive than they actually are. I think you'd be hard-pressed to find people who would honestly say that Flemeth (as in DA2) was not beautiful. Also, once again, I and most others seem to be talking about simple visual beauty. We are long past discussing the issue of attractiveness (including character etc) vs beauty.
I understand that. Right now I'm sticking post-its on my screen when Cassandra appears (this statement contains 80% joke). In any case, yes, you are right when it comes to defined characters. We are at an impasse there because you love Cassandra's look and I don't, and I want something else and you don't. So you win atm thanks to the developers' support, I hope to win next time. (Though tbh even if they did turn Cassie into a supermodel, her character would still ruin it for me, so it doesn't really matter all that much...)
This whole argument falls flat though if there are ways to support options, e.g. with regard to armor or even companion customisation like in SWTOR. Nobody needs to have eye-sores, and everybody can have eye-candies, if not everywhere (which could indeed be boring), at least in some places. And considering past mods, I don't think it'd involve all that much effort to make properly either.
It's complicative post on the things I have seen here and what I think about eye-candy debate. The thing is that characters in the games can't please everyone. Even if game was full of eye-candy for every direction, there would be people who would hate it and think some of games eye-candy is their eye-sore. So there is need for compromise. There is also need of unconventionally pretty characters and not restricting characters look only below conventional beaty.
I don't think companion customisation would work at all. It works only with games where characters don't have much personality and story, where you have to headcanon everything about them like Dragon's Dogma. I'd hate to play Bioware's games if they did that, open world already was bad enough for story and character content.
Okay, so from now on when I want to google information on lesbians, i will type women from now on to make you happy. Bioware logic ftw. Okay you win mr smart guy. You are too pc and it blinds you
I don't know if this is too hard concept for you, but there is some lesbians who more masculine (you are talking about them) and some who are more feminine. Then there is some women who are more masculine (tomboys) and some who are more feminine. That's because everyone is different and sexuality doesn't really define one's personality and what they look like.
Care to explain some more? I can't quite connect your reply to my post.
I was just saying porn and DA:I have some things in common, namely the sex scenes, is that good? Bad? It seems to pointless to address some gender inequality without addressing the original question.
There is also need of unconventionally pretty characters and not restricting characters look only below conventional beauty.
Like all ideals, beauty is restrictive. You can move characters here and there away from the archetypes of the buxom goddess and the Captain America six-pack, but you can't get too far.
Like all ideals, beauty is restrictive. You can move characters here and there away from the archetypes of the buxom goddess and the Captain America six-pack, but you can't get too far.
Beaty can be pretty-wide when asked from different people. It can cover all DAI companions for example and they all look quite different ^^
And I guess there can be non-pretty characters as well who have great personality. Although looks aren't attractive to some personality can save the day.
I was just saying porn and DA:I have some things in common, namely the sex scenes, is that good? Bad? It seems to pointless to address some gender inequality without addressing the original question.
And this relates to my post how? 
I don't think companion customisation would work at all. It works only with games where characters don't have much personality and story, where you have to headcanon everything about them like Dragon's Dogma. I'd hate to play Bioware's games if they did that, open world already was bad enough for story and character content.
I don't know if this is too hard concept for you, but there is some lesbians who more masculine (you are talking about them) and some who are more feminine. Then there is some women who are more masculine (tomboys) and some who are more feminine. That's because everyone is different and sexuality doesn't really define one's personality and what they look like.
Thank you for this, I will use tomboy instead of butch. I apologize if I make anyone upset due to my ignorance. I just want to show original poster that there are lot of female women presence in game in the form of lesbian culture, they are women too, that is where most of the hairstyle comes from.
Beaty can be pretty-wide when asked from different people. It can cover all DAI companions for example and they all look quite different ^^
And I guess there can be non-pretty characters as well who have great personality. Although looks aren't attractive to some personality can save the day.
And this relates to my post how?
You were talking about gender equality with "eye candy" i.e. equaling out the amount of male and female sexy things lying around to ogle or something. I was saying ok... well... should this be the focus? Throwing T&A all over the place?
You were also talking about attractiveness and stuff like that as well which I don't know what else to say to that, people generally want to be around attractive people not less attractive... everyone pretty much likes the same sort of things.. just kind of just how it goes.... anyone who has been in a school anywhere knows that.
Beaty can be pretty-wide when asked from different people. It can cover all DAI companions for example and they all look quite different ^^
And I guess there can be non-pretty characters as well who have great personality. Although looks aren't attractive to some personality can save the day.
They look different, but none of them are, say, morbidly obese. They all have nice clear glowing skin. Aside from maybe Bull I suppose, but he's got lots of muscle. They women are all fairly buxom. The men are in good shape. They all have sharp and clear voices.
Not sure if you've played SWTOR, but you'd be surprised at how deep the characters can be -- and that's a game that has made near-perfect work of offering options. Malavai Quinn (the Sith warrior companion) is one such example, he's fantastically written (imo), yet you can still customise him. It only feels weird if you pick the customisation late in-game, if you start with it it works perfectly.
Also I don't quite follow why customising looks would be such a problem since, as you -- imo correctly -- say, sexuality, or character, doesn't define what one looks like.
I have SWTOR, but haven't played it much so not really.
I think characters design goes with their personality and I think Bioware's approach of making these well-defined characters is best approach they can take in terms of characters. That's what they are most praised for too in terms of games. I think the armor system in DAI where you can change everyone's armor, but they still reflect them as person is great invention, one that I haven't seen in games before, but I would love to see again. It gives player some choices to make without breaking characters.
Also, I think designing whole character would take too much resources from the other parts of game too. In older games with limited choices like SWTOR it might work, not so much anymore with modern games who need lot of resources and layers on everything to work.
Lastly, fanart would be akward, tons of unrecognizable characters running around.
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i don't mind casual content in game, be it romances, porn, gambling, shopping, hairdressing... or whatever. i would mind only if such content had priority over playability, and wasn't optional.
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i think i understand why you want a good looking LI in games, you charmer
They look different, but none of them are, say, morbidly obese. They all have nice clear glowing skin. Aside from maybe Bull I suppose, but he's got lots of muscle. They women are all fairly buxom. The men are in good shape. They all have sharp and clear voices.
Well you are right about that. I don't know if that's good or bad thing really, but I guess I'm bit shallow too, liking DAI this way ^^ With some realism and people having different looks, but still not being too far from what is considered attractive. Though personality still over runs looks for me in some cases.
You were talking about gender equality with "eye candy" i.e. equaling out the amount of male and female sexy things lying around to ogle or something. I was saying ok... well... should this be the focus? Throwing T&A all over the place?
You were also talking about attractiveness and stuff like that as well which I don't know what else to say to that, people generally want to be around attractive people not less attractive... everyone pretty much likes the same sort of things.. just kind of just how it goes.... anyone who has been in a school anywhere knows that.
So should eye-candy be focus? I guess personally I think in certain point it should be one of focuses. Personally I like different medias being different, some focusing more on eye-candy and fan-service, more on story and gameplay. I think DAI is quite well balanced on eye-candy versus story and gameplay.
I don't agree with that attractive notion, I mean yes certain level some things are considered unattractive like I doubt anyone would see pimples as positive thing, but I think attractiviness is still very broad for people and not as restricted that women who have short hair or scars are unattractive or their short hair and scars are unattractive.
Well you are right about that. I don't know if that's good or bad thing really, but I guess I'm bit shallow too, liking DAI this way ^^ With some realism and people having different looks, but still not being too far from what is considered attractive. Though personality still over runs looks for me in some cases.
So should eye-candy be focus? I guess personally I think in certain point it should be one of focuses. Personally I like different medias being different, some focusing more on eye-candy and fan-service, more on story and gameplay. I think DAI is quite well balanced on eye-candy versus story and gameplay.
I don't agree with that attractive notion, I mean yes certain level some things are considered unattractive like I doubt anyone would see pimples as positive thing, but I think attractiviness is still very broad for people and not as restricted that women who have short hair or scars are unattractive or their short hair and scars are unattractive.
DA:I is obviously neither straight pornography or a Disney movie, so it's obvious the fan base would reflect that same split of opinion. As to that I gave my own opinion on the subject generally though.
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I have SWTOR, but haven't played it much so not really.
I think characters design goes with their personality and I think Bioware's approach of making these well-defined characters is best approach they can take in terms of characters. -snip-
So in essence you have not really played a game with companion customisation, and you do not acknowledge that Bioware (praised for character design) made SWTOR as a game with at least half a dozen customisations per companion. But you know you wouldn't like it because using the customisations BW provided would destroy the characters BW created. Gotcha.
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Brilliant, had a good chuckle. Thank you. 
Still a better story than DA:I, would play.
So in essence you have not really played a game with companion customisation, you do not acknowledge that Bioware made SWTOR as a game with companion customisation, but you know you wouldn't like it because it would destroy the characters Bioware created with half a dozen customisations at least per companion. Gotcha.
Brilliant, thank you for this.
Still a better story than DA:I, would play.
I have played Dragon's Dogma that has very detailed customization and would rather have DA style companions there. I find designing your own characters bit weird overall, I'm as player another character beside other characters in the game, not some kind of god above them.
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