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[Terodil]

Okay. So we can summarise your position as: 'I prefer companion characters made for me and don't want any influence on them.' That's fine, but let's put the "... but artistic integrity" 'argument' ad acta then, shall we? Considering that *you* can always relinquish your influence by choosing the default customisation, I fail to understand your apparent need to ask for reducing / to rebuff requests to enhance other players' options.

[Panda]

Okay. So we can summarise your position as: 'I prefer companion characters made for me and don't want any influence on them.' That's fine, but let's put the "... but artistic integrity" 'argument' ad acta then, shall we? Considering that *you* can always relinquish your influence by choosing the default customisation, I fail to understand your apparent need to ask for reducing / to rebuff requests to enhance other players' options.

 

I'm commenting on it, because it wouldn't work.

[Terodil]

I'm commenting on it, because it wouldn't work.

 

... in spite of concrete counterexamples to your axiomatic claim.

[WildOrchid]

Thank you for this, I will use tomboy instead of butch. I apologize if I make anyone upset due to my ignorance. I just want to show original poster that there are lot of female women presence in game in the form of lesbian culture, they are women too, that is where most of the hairstyle comes from.

 

Butch, tomboy, butch, tomboy, sacksplash. How about we call them as just "women"?

[Panda]

... in spite of concrete counterexamples to your axiomatic claim.

 

And examples that say why it wouldn't work :-)

[SnakeCode]

Okay. So we can summarise your position as: 'I prefer companion characters made for me and don't want any influence on them.' That's fine, but let's put the "... but artistic integrity" 'argument' ad acta then, shall we? Considering that *you* can always relinquish your influence by choosing the default customisation, I fail to understand your apparent need to ask for reducing / to rebuff requests to enhance other players' options.

 

Becoming something of a recurring theme/argument spanning multiple threads isn't it? 

[Terodil]

And examples that say why it wouldn't work :-)

 

 

Actually that one and only example you gave where it reputedly didn't work (Dragon's Dogma) is not from Bioware. Also, 'didn't work' is a bit daring a statement when all it came down to was 'I didn't like having influence on the looks of my companions'.

 

Why so little faith in the company that, as you say, is renowned for its character designs, and that has a pretty good track record with SWTOR where character customisation did work for a lot of players?

 

If you can't even try, you can never make it work ... and if you don't want to try, why not let others try who actually will be able to make it work?

[Panda]

 

Actually that one and only example you gave where it reputedly didn't work (Dragon's Dogma) is not from Bioware. Also, 'didn't work' is a bit daring a statement when all it came down to was 'I didn't like having influence on the looks of my companions'.

 

Why so little faith in the company that, as you say, is renowned for its character designs, and that has a pretty good track record with SWTOR where character customisation did work for a lot of players?

 

If you can't even try, you can never make it work ... and if you don't want to try, why not let others try who actually will be able to make it work?

 

I'm not saying it didn't work, I'm just saying that it's inferior than what Bioware currently does with DA. It would also take too much resources and I don't fathom how it would work with DAI.

[Terodil]

I'm not saying it didn't work

And examples that say why it wouldn't work :-)

So where are the examples where it didn't work? 

[IchbinVol]

I have played it all. Knights of the old Republic, Mass Effect, Jade Empire, and everything Dragon Age.

Great stories, hours and hours (and now DAYS) of fun, good graphics and nice controls ... but starting back in ME3 I began to get slightly annoyed.

Not a lot, not so much that I quit the game and didn't bring my Sheppard to the end of the trilogy, it was more a nagging sensation at the back of my mind. Where were all the cool male NPC's? Where was the guy-on-guy-action? Where was the dlc-story-character written to entertain ME - a female gamer? 

Because honestly, Bioware. You overdid it in DA:Inquisition. Look, Thedas is populated by 75% women. My war-council had ONE man on it, thanks to you, Cullen. Yes, cool enough to let me meet up with Leliana and Morrigan from DA:O, but don't you think I'd rather have met up with Zevran again?

 

If anyone ever told you, dear Bioware people, that women are entertained by watching women, they've been pulling your leg. DA:I is storywise great! It's entertaining, good plot, and "I did NOT see that coming" ending, so thumbs up to you for that. But I ended up getting annoyed that every single character I met on my travels was female, with very, very few exceptions that were then either weak, bumbling fools, crazy villanous mages, or old and ugly. Almost every town had its' lesbians, so I was wondering were all the gay guys went (aside from Dorian.).

 

So this "letter to Bioware" is mostly to make you remember that we're a growing crowd - us female players. And we want to meet cool male characters, not fools like Alistar, we want dazzling emperors, swashbuckling pirates, courageous wizards and they should be young and good-looking thank you. I tried to remove Celene. No luck. I tried to find male NPC-mages to join my army - no luck.  

I don't believe the modern gamer-guy has so low self-esteem, that you deliberately take out cool male NPC's.

Or do you?

 

Best wishes and keep up the good work (but with a few tweaks)

Etherlady 

 

I know Im late here, but... Are you ppl ever happy!? You have more romances than the males, and writting is designed to pander to your demographic. I'm not trying to be ugly, just stating whats going on. Maybe we should remind Bioware that they have male players...

[Ashaantha]

I know Im late here, but... Are you ppl ever happy!? You have more romances than the males, and writting is designed to pander to your demographic. I'm not trying to be ugly, just stating whats going on. Maybe we should remind Bioware that they have male players...

 

If people were ever happy these forums would be dead. People will never be happy.

[Panda]

So where are the examples where it didn't work? 

 

It works as it doesn't make game unplayed. To make player able to customise their followers Dragon Dogma has created Pawn system, there Pawn characters are quite much mindless followers who you make on your whim. It wouldn't work on DA, it would take too much resources to implement and it would be inferior to current system.

Seriously it's not that hard to understand my comments unless you want to nick-pick every word. If you like to do that we can be here all day just arguing over words.

[Hazegurl]

If we're only taking about armor customizations on companions then I don't see how changing their armor would suddenly make them Dragon Dogma Pawns.  If we're talking about actual physical appearances, then BioWare kind of already solved that with Hawke in DAI.  The player could customize his look, but he was still his own person. 

 

IMO, I wouldn't want to customize my companions appearance with a CC as it takes away me viewing them totally as their own person.  However, BW proved that it can be done without the character losing their independence.  Speaking of the pawn system.  I think DD did something right in regards to establishing how they operate in combat.  I loved the idea of sitting my companion down and telling them what I expect out of them in a fight. It's more realistic than DA tactics and DAI downgraded the tactics big time.  But that's another rant. lol!

 

As for sex, I don't think anyone is asking for promiscuous gay men, at least I wasn't.  But it would have been nice to see gay male NPCs doing something other than bickering at each other and gossiping.  With companions, I would love a gay KISA type or a handsome dark gay villain(not emo).  And why can't there be more sex scene for those who want them?  BW already gave those who don't want sex the option to skip it and proceed with the romance anyway, so why a fade to black for those picking the sex route?   

[Terodil]

It works as it doesn't make game unplayed. To make player able to customise their followers Dragon Dogma has created Pawn system, there Pawn characters are quite much mindless followers who you make on your whim. It wouldn't work on DA, it would take too much resources to implement and it would be inferior to current system.
Seriously it's not that hard to understand my comments unless you want to nick-pick every word. If you like to do that we can be here all day just arguing over words.

Well, Panda, if you want to present your preferences as a logical, cohesive argument based on claims ("customisation can't work") supported by evidence ("it failed in <x> and it's comparable because <y>"), then be prepared to have your theses challenged and your evidence questioned. If you can't take that, if you don't like what you write being taken serious, then just say so in advance and save me/us the trouble of trying to discuss with you. That would at least be straight-up rather than the evasive (and on top of that, accusatory!) 'oh you know what I mean, don't nitpick'.

(Are *any* Bioware companions of semi-recent games 'mindless followers'? So how is it comparable?)

[Panda]

If we're only taking about armor customizations on companions then I don't see how changing their armor would suddenly make them Dragon Dogma Pawns.  If we're talking about actual physical appearances, then BioWare kind of already solved that with Hawke in DAI.  The player could customize his look, but he was still his own person. 

 

IMO, I wouldn't want to customize my companions appearance with a CC as it takes away me viewing them totally as their own person.  However, BW proved that it can be done without the character losing their independence.  Speaking of the pawn system.  I think DD did something right in regards to establishing how they operate in combat.  I loved the idea of sitting my companion down and telling them what I expect out of them in a fight. It's more realistic than DA tactics and DAI downgraded the tactics big time.  But that's another rant. lol!

 

As for sex, I don't think anyone is asking for promiscuous gay men, at least I wasn't.  But it would have been nice to see gay male NPCs doing something other than bickering at each other and gossiping.  With companions, I would love a gay KISA type or a handsome dark gay villain(not emo).  And why can't there be more sex scene for those who want them?  BW already gave those who don't want sex the option to skip it and proceed with the romance anyway, so why a fade to black for those picking the sex route?   

 

No we are not talking about armor customisation. And Hawke is our person, someone we create in this world. Unless we want to play Sims I don't see point in also creating companions.

 

Well, Panda, if you want to present your preferences as a logical, cohesive argument based on claims ("customisation can't work") supported by evidence ("it failed in <x> and it's comparable because <y>"), then be prepared to have your theses challenged and your evidence questioned. If you can't take that, if you don't like what you write being taken serious, then just say so in advance and save me/us the trouble of trying to discuss with you. That would at least be straight-up rather than the evasive (and on top of that, accusatory!) 'oh you know what I mean, don't nitpick'.

(Are *any* Bioware companions of semi-recent games 'mindless followers'? So how is it comparable?)

 

Aren't you being frustrating today. I already said repeatedly why customisation in DA wouldn't work. The system simply now is superior, takes less resources and makes these well-defined and well-written characters. Also why someone would want to design their followers and their possible LI? Sounds creepy.

[Terodil]

Aren't you being frustrating today. I already said repeatedly why customisation in DA wouldn't work. The system simply now is superior, takes less resources and makes these well-defined and well-written characters. Also why someone would want to design their followers and their possible LI? Sounds creepy.

At this point I just have to stop taking you serious to save what's left of my sanity after the last 2 pages of this thread. Sorry. I really tried.

[Seraphim24]

Becoming something of a recurring theme/argument spanning multiple threads isn't it? 

 

Meh "options" are just a substitute for a lack of conviction and I'm not really a fan of that idea generally.

[Hazegurl]

No we are not talking about armor customisation. And Hawke is our person, someone we create in this world. Unless we want to play Sims I don't see point in also creating companions.

But we did not control Hawke in DAI.  He still had a past (asking him what happened to his LI and everyone), his own personality, dialogue et al in DAI without you ever controlling that.  The only thing that was different was his physical appearance. So your argument had already been proven false by Bioware themselves.

 

Mind you, I agree that I wouldn't want to run my companions through the CC.  I think it would take away from me viewing them as completely their own person and I don't think the companions would be very unique if we did that.  However, your argument that they would be nothing but DD Pawns is false.

[Terodil]

Meh "options" are just a substitute for a lack of conviction and I'm not really a fan of that idea generally.

Huh. In that case, are you sure that RPGs are the genre you want to play? Wouldn't action-games with pre-defined characters and a plot on rails be more to your liking then?

[Seraphim24]

Huh. In that case, are you sure that RPGs are the genre you want to play? Wouldn't action-games with pre-defined characters and a plot on rails be more to your liking then?

 

I mean for developers not really players to go on critical issues like "well lets just do both! That way we can't be wrong" It finds it's way into all kinds of games, action games, etc, it makes games massively bloated and uninspiring.

 

I'm just attracted to decisiveness and kind of just going for what you really believe in not well lets just give them a menu, it's not quite pandering but it's yeah uninspiring.

[Panda]

But we did not control Hawke in DAI.  He still had a past (asking him what happened to his LI and everyone), his own personality, dialogue et al in DAI without you ever controlling that.  The only thing that was different was his physical appearance. So your argument had already been proven false by Bioware themselves.

 

Mind you, I agree that I wouldn't want to run my companions through the CC.  I think it would take away from me viewing them as completely their own person and I don't think the companions would be very unique if we did that.  However, your argument that they would be nothing but DD Pawns is false.

 

True, but Hawke still was Bioware's character not players at that point. It took me lot of headcanons to do in order to fathom how my peaceful bloodmage become angry and blood mage hating person. I don't think Bioware even took accord red/purple/blue Hawkes?

[Namea]

I also want to add that if everyone in every video game was amazingly attractive it would suck. Honestly I found that the companions in DA2 were all too "pretty' and that always bugged me. I prefer variety. So what if not everyone is my cup of tea physically, that's how the world works. It's a video game, does the appearance of your romance in a video game really matter that much? You aren't playing as you, you're a character. Each of my inquisitors is a completely different person with completely different ideas of what's attractive. Most of them are different from my own as night and day.

[Hazegurl]

True, but Hawke still was Bioware's character not players at that point. It took me lot of headcanons to do in order to fathom how my peaceful bloodmage become angry and blood mage hating person. I don't think Bioware even took accord red/purple/blue Hawkes?

That's my point, people complained in DAI that Hawke wasn't theirs anymore, and in truth, he wasn't.  All we were allowed to do was customize his look.  After that, BW did whatever they wanted to do with his character.  The same can be said for being allowed to customize the companions.  All the player would do is change their looks, the character still belongs to BW to do as they please concerning their personality, dialogue and everything else.  If IB was customized to look like the Arishok, he would still be the same character with the same background, personality, and issues. He'll just look better.

[Pasquale1234]

I think everyone should have eye candy. Everyone.

Me, too.

So can we please have more Cassandras, Avelines, etc.  I find them much more attractive than the Morrigans, Isabelas, etc.