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[AlanC9]

As for those other recent posts -- does anyone else think that straight white males adopting victim discourse just doesn't work very well? I used to think that rhetoric could belong to anyone, but we always sound a bit ridiculous.

[RINNZ]

As for those other recent posts -- does anyone else think that straight white males adopting victim discourse just doesn't work very well? I used to think that rhetoric could belong to anyone, but we always sound a bit ridiculous.

Anyone can be a victim. Its the way some people go about it that makes us sound that way.

[AlanC9]

To a degree I can somewhat understand this in one context: when the alleged description of the character (i.e., universally and blindly attractive) does not match up your subjective perception of the character (i.e., not attractive at all). We all have types, and sometimes the perception of the creator (or casting director) does not match up with our own subjective sense. In that regard, I can understand wanting to imagine a character consistent appearance. It's not what I would do, but I kind of get wanting to line up your subjective perception with what the story says it should be to modify your own experience.

Well, attractiveness is in some sense objective fact, right? You're "attractive" if a high percentage of people in your time and place think that you are attractive. Imagine what an "attractive" NPC would look like in a realistic game set in 1500, or even 1880.

Actually, there was a recent video about this kicking around, though it's only body types.




There are times and places when Amy Schumer would have ended up as a supermodel, instead of on trial. (I'd fish up the link, but I figure everybody's seen it.)

[Seraphim24]

You guys didn't know Bioware has had and will continue to have a specific agenda or things they like to see? Hasn't this been obvious for a long time now?

 

Anyone can be a victim. Its the way some people go about it that makes us sound that way.

 

Yeah there is such a sublime idioicy to the wailing by the LGBTQ wailing against the mainstream straight horrible people like they all have these perfect lives. Everyone suffers, period.

 

It's only matched the equally potent idiocy of straight people showing distaste towards LGBTQ.

[Hazegurl]

I'd imagine that making character creator available for every companion would take some resources in terms of animation at least, but not sure how much.

 

 

BW has already proven how lazy they are by not giving us a body slider, it's because they pick one generic body for each race and stick a head on it.  The only companion that go against that is IB.  I would say Sera, but they just plastered her face on a human female body.   In other words, it's not like BW go all out on animations et al anyway.  Just watch how everyone shrinks and grows because they're already too lazy to make different animations when it comes to love scenes with different races. I doubt more resources would be spent than they already intend to.

 

I guess my point with Hawke is that although you could make his face, he still wasn't character that represented that face. He looked like my Hawke, but didn't have personality like him. So why not keep Cass, Cullen, Solas etc. fully BW's cause even if we design their looks, their personalitys most likely won't reflect our wishes?

 

 

I agree, it doesn't matter how we change them, they are still their own people (BW's characters) and that's how it should be. But I don't think anyone is arguing that changing their appearance equals changing their personalities. It's just that they would look different.   Ex: I modded Aveline to be more attractive (sorry, but that jaw was killing me after several play throughs).  She was still Aveline through and through, her appearance, while more pleasing to me and different then her original appearance didn't change who she was, her dialogue, mannerism, writing.  This is why I had to disagree with you when you make the claim that the companions would be nothing but DD pawns that you have to headcanon a story for. That's just not the case. It's just a face change, not a personality swap.

[Octarin]

To the OP, 

 

The lack of cool and intelligent male characters is something that is not restricted to video games. This is something that affects Western media as a whole. 

 

Just watch a couple of Western shows and you will see that the female characters are cool, smart, intelligent, quirky and interesting whereas the male character is typically a dumb schmuck who is supposed to feel grateful he is there and spends his time either pandering to female characters or jumping through female shite tests or proving himself to be worthy of her. 

 

There are very little or no intelligent, brainy and interesting male characters in Western media. If they do have them, they are usually an evil supervillain or an asexual, which is just ridiculous. Damn it, I still remember playing Mass Effect 2 and trying to romance Mordin as Femshep, only to get turned down. But hey, morons like Jacob are romanceable !

 

You see this in How I Met Your Mother, The Flash, Big Bang Theory, Dragon Age Series, Mass Effect Series, etc. At least Oliver Queen in the Arrow is not so bad. 

 

If women valued intellect and intelligence over anything else, then men like Bill Nye, Neil deGrasse Tyson, Michio Kaku, Richard Dawkins, Stephen Hawking, etc ...men like these would be drowning in female attention and fresh vaginas like rockstars and Hollywood actors...But that never happens, does it ?

 

As a straight man, its frankly sickening and disgusting because the whole thing is very reminiscent of a pathetic grovelling worshiper trying to gain the attention of a goddess of some sort. Chivalry went out of fashion in the middle ages and it should stay dead. 

 

Personally, I think that there is a lack of intelligent and intellectual male characters in video games and comics in general because women on average value a man's capability to protect and provide as well as good genes more than anything else. Which means intelligence in this sense only appeal to women if the man in question is doing a job that makes lots of money and not much else. Either that or the man is a badboy thug with little to no brain that makes her wet and gives her tingles.

 

Then there is the fact women like men who white knight them, men who they can control. Why do you think are men like Alistair Theirin and Cullen Rutherford popular romance options ? 

 

Add this to the fact that Bioware is a video game developer trying to make a profit. Which means they will do things that cater to the majority. The majority of women like men who pander to them, men who they can control, men who either make lots of money or are genetically fit. Independence, intelligence and intellectual capability be damned. 

 

Which is why Solas is my favorite video game character. That man is a man on a mission, he doesn't pander to nobody, he isn't chivalrous, he is intelligent, he is intellectual and more importantly he remains himself and does not become whipped in a romance. 

 

If one wishes to change this trend then women have to change what they find sexy and attractive in a man. Simple, yet difficult. 

 

Dude, you really, really, REALLY need to work on those issues you've got. I don't know and I don't care you gave them to you, but if you at any degree believe that you're the only one in this world who's been disillusioned by the opposite gender, you really must make a very long, very hard and very sincere self-evaluation. 

 

As a note. I won't comment on how I find your post, cause that'd get me probably another warning point right away, and although I'll admit that there are many women who fall into this category you describe, I really need to stress out that you most definitely don't speak for me, as a woman.

 

Good luck with your therapy. You're gonna need it.

[In Exile]

Well, attractiveness is in some sense objective fact, right? You're "attractive" if a high percentage of people in your time and place think that you are attractive. Imagine what an "attractive" NPC would look like in a realistic game set in 1500, or even 1880.

Actually, there was a recent video about this kicking around, though it's only body types.




There are times and places when Amy Schumer would have ended up as a supermodel, instead of on trial. (I'd fish up the link, but I figure everybody's seen it.)

You're entirety right, I think. In the usual non-fantasy setting I'm generally not at all sympathetic to this view. I just think there's something to be said for it when we're talking about a kind of magical otherworldly beauty. I might not have been clear but that's the scenario I had in mind e.g. a setting where elves are supposed to just be so beautiful you start to cry. In that case, I think we go beyond our own standards.

Personally this is something that would make me uncomfortable no matter what - I'm not keep on appearance swapping. But I kind of "get it" more. Or maybe the better way to put it is that I can wrap my head around it.

[WildOrchid]

Thats why there's nothing but ugly, powerful women as far as the eye can see. Seriously, the land of Thedas is a Feminist's wet dream. Men are pathetic servants, while women pretty much dominate everywhere.

 

And the witcher and other games mostly, are games where the women are mostly whores/pathetic damsels in distress/servants and the men dominate everywhere. So? I don't see you complaining about these games either. Oh wait, it's because women "rule" in this game, right? If it's a man, then no problem?

Besides, there have been men who dominate in it as well, so idk how you managed to see that only women "rule" in this game.

 

 

Your post and Tishen's make absolutely no sense at all.

[Panda]

And the witcher and other games mostly, are games where the women are mostly whores/pathetic damsels in distress/servants and the men dominate everywhere. So? I don't see you complaining about these games either. Oh wait, it's because women "rule" in this game, right? If it's a man, then no problem?

Besides, there have been men who dominate in it as well, so idk how you managed to see that only women "rule" in this game.

 

 

Your post and Tishen's make absolutely no sense at all.

 

I think it's just shocking to some people when game has many female characters in the power so they feel like women are suddenly everywhere and oppressing men. Cause how otherwise woman could be in power..

[AresKeith]

Not that I presume to understand where women are coming from, but I think women do enjoy a multiple array of men. However, women have this tendency to care way too much about what others think about them. This is why they tend to gravitate to popular men, rather than a good man, or the best man. They lose this ambition, of course, once they hit 30, since it no longer matters.

 

In regards to the OP, she has a point, but it's not a good one. Bioware didnt make this game for the basic, straight female... rather, the militant feminist. Thats why there's nothing but ugly, powerful women as far as the eye can see. Seriously, the land of Thedas is a Feminist's wet dream. Men are pathetic servants, while women pretty much dominate everywhere.

 

[Octarin]

Gosh, sometimes I think some people actually try to be inflammatory... 

[RINNZ]

Not every single woman in the Witcher series is useless or a ******. Look at Triss , or Ves, or that one sorceress. Look at Ciri or Yennefer. I hate when people only bag on the Witcher because how it depicts women when I'm sure that how they were in a sense back in what...17th century Europe? I forget.

[WildOrchid]

I think it's just shocking to some people when game has many female characters in the power so they feel like women are suddenly everywhere and oppressing men. Cause how otherwise woman could be in power..

 

Pretty blind tbh, there have been so many games like they described, with men in power instead and they can't even see it. But suddently women aren't whores or damsels in distress and omg "feminism!"

 

Saying how dai makes "feminists wet" while implying men like them don't get their panties wet with games like the witcher... and i've played this game and i can assure you, the men in DAI have it way better than the women in witcher. As far as i know i haven't seen any bordellos with male whores only or dudes in distress in DAI.   

[AresKeith]

Not every single woman in the Witcher series is useless or a ******. Look at Triss , or Ves, or that one sorceress. Look at Ciri or Yennefer. I hate when people only bag on the Witcher because how it depicts women when I'm sure that how they were in a sense back in what...17th century Europe? I forget.

 

I'm pretty sure she was making an exaggerated post on purpose like the poster she quoted  

[WildOrchid]

Not every single woman in the Witcher series is useless or a ******. Look at Triss , or Ves, or that one sorceress. Look at Ciri or Yennefer. I hate when people only bag on the Witcher because how it depicts women when I'm sure that how they were in a sense back in what...17th century Europe? I forget.

 

Point, missing it.

 

Gee, i didn't know there were good women in witcher! Wow.

My point was how they can't complain about dai being "heavily female oriented" while there are more games like the witcher that is heavily male oriented.

 

Oh!

Did 17th century Europe had dragons and magic as well?

 

 

Edit: i love how Ares always gets me.

[Panda]

Not every single woman in the Witcher series is useless or a ******. Look at Triss , or Ves, or that one sorceress. Look at Ciri or Yennefer. I hate when people only bag on the Witcher because how it depicts women when I'm sure that how they were in a sense back in what...17th century Europe? I forget.

 

True and apparently writing women got better on Witcher 2 due criticism too. I'm not really fond of the first one and how it presents women in general, there has been many head-desk moments for me ^^;

[BioWareMod03]

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