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[Andromelek]

Cullen, Leliana and Morrigan are all great characters, but there are character who have not received such relevance and are really cool, they also need some love I think, beginning a thread for each one would suppose that many of them would be ignored, so, instead I've decided to begin a thread for those ignored characters that really had potential to be more.

The Architect:

Written by: David Gaider
Voiced by: Jamie Glover

Surely I am not the only one who misses this darkspawn, an ancient magister who is either lying or has amnesia he probably has a lot more to reveal than what he told on the book or the Awakening DLC, it's disappointing that beside a codex entry he was not mentioned on DAI, mostly because his comrade was the main villain on the game, hopefully we could see him again in the darkspawn themed DLC that we were promised.

Athenril:

Voiced by: Lora Brovold

Sadly this smuggler only appears on the first act, at least we can say that she relatively cared about her people, and many would like to have her as a companion.

Rock Wraiths:

Mysterious, powerful and adaptable foes, even on DA2 their participation was very reduced, they and their Primeval Thaig are related to the red lyrium, thanks to them we know that the Blight exists even before the incursion to the Black City, I wonder why Corypheus didn't use the Nightmare to seize them; that Ancient Rock Wraith was probably the toughest boss in the whole game.

Leopold:

I know that he is a wyvern, but it was a magnificent specimen, I felt pity for have to kill him, and we still don't know how Prosper did tamed him, a Wyvern is not an usual pet, not even for an Orlesian noble, he was the kind of mount that I wanted for Inquisition.

Jowan:

Voiced by: Desmond Askew

Originally he would be another full companion, unless he was executed, he should remain on the Circle or run away as an apostate with the name of "Levyn" he was not really bad, but it was interesting see a noob blood mage that didn't end as an abomination.

Feynriel:
Voiced by: Chris Nayak
Unless he is turn into a tranquil, on the third act is revealed that he is a powerful mage, either being used by Torpor or living on Tevinter, a pity that he did not appear on DAI, but maybe he could appear in Gaider's new book.

Werewolves:

According to Zathrian not all the werewolves exist because of Witherfang's curse, but we don't even know what was of the ones that we met if they were not killed, they were pretty effective either as allies or foes.

Yavana:

Written by: David Gaider
Drawn by: Chad Hardin

If we can talk about a wasted character, that should be her, she was the daughter of one of the most iconic characters of the franchise; she was powerful and wise and very kind for the way that they treated her, but she was killed on three really small issues, at least they should killed her at the end of "Until We Sleep", after all Alistair is already worse than Meredith for the mages, he cannot be much worse.

I also would like to mention the Mabaris and Sandal, as well, despite they are not so ignored as the others it was kind of strange realize that two characteristic elements from the previous games did not made it into Inquisition.

[BloodKaiden]

You forgot Finn. XD

[Gervaise]

I think Yavana was introduced as an alternative to using Flemeth or Morrigan.   She was also based in Antiva so not really anything to do with where we were operating.   I've not read the series, but seen the resume on Wiki.  Her existence immediately disproved what Morrigan claimed about what Flemeth did to her daughters.     However, the main thing that puzzles me is why you say that Alistair is worse than Meredith for mages.   Seriously?    He was giving sanctuary to mages back in DA2, which Meredith chewed him out over, and then gives the entire mage rebellion the run of Redcliffe Castle.   The only new thing about Alistair in the books was that apparently he inherited something special from Calenhad, through Marric, but how could that be bad for mages.    He did have a thing against witches of the wild but then Morrigan didn't do much to change his mind on that one.

 

There has to be a limit on how many characters you can keep bringing back; nevertheless I wouldn't write any of the ones you've mentioned off yet, unless they were definitely killed and even then you know that isn't necessarily the end in Thedas.

[MisterJB]

 

Oghren. The World of Thedas volume 2 has a letter he wrote to his son before the Siege of Vigil's Keep.

 

 

[Andromelek]

I think Yavana was introduced as an alternative to using Flemeth or Morrigan.   She was also based in Antiva so not really anything to do with where we were operating.   I've not read the series, but seen the resume on Wiki.  Her existence immediately disproved what Morrigan claimed about what Flemeth did to her daughters.     However, the main thing that puzzles me is why you say that Alistair is worse than Meredith for mages.   Seriously?    He was giving sanctuary to mages back in DA2, which Meredith chewed him out over, and then gives the entire mage rebellion the run of Redcliffe Castle.   The only new thing about Alistair in the books was that apparently he inherited something special from Calenhad, through Marric, but how could that be bad for mages.    He did have a thing against witches of the wild but then Morrigan didn't do much to change his mind on that one.
 
There has to be a limit on how many characters you can keep bringing back; nevertheless I wouldn't write any of the ones you've mentioned off yet, unless they were definitely killed and even then you know that isn't necessarily the end in Thedas.

Meredith had two reasons to do what she did:
1- She was traumatized for her family's death at the hands of her possessed sister
2-She carried a red lyrium sword several years, that drove her mad

Alistair never truly became a templar, he had no reasons to hate the mages so bad and yet He treated aggressively Flemeth and Morrigan even before to know something about them, he wanted to kill Connor and Jowan because of Isolda (and he even blames you for killing Connor when it was his idea) he wanted to purge the whole circle due Uldred's mess, he killed Yavana because of Flemeth and Maric's agreement and blamed her for the Fifth Blight (that happened because the Architect, and it would still happening even if Maric would never left Ferelden), and then he kicked out the mages out of Redcliff blaming them for the Venatori's doing, and while Anora only orders them to leave, he even threatened them (and his mother was among them) that either makes him a moron with the mages or a childish moron who always wants to blame someone for what happens to him.

[Andromelek]

Oghren. The World of Thedas volume 2 has a letter he wrote to his son before the Siege of Vigil's Keep.

I haven't read it yet, but yes, Oghren would be one of the few characters that I would pick to be a companion on a third game (If Awakening counts as a separate game)

[Todrazok]

 

 

Oghren. The World of Thedas volume 2 has a letter he wrote to his son before the Siege of Vigil's Keep.

 

I need this book damn it.

 

I haven't read it yet, but yes, Oghren would be one of the few characters that I would pick to be a companion on a third game (If Awakening counts as a separate game)

 

Personally I don't think Oghren should return as a companion, he already returned in Awakening and is now a Grey Warden with potentially a family situation he is quite confortable with. I see no way he could play a part in whatever's next as a companion to the new protagonist. That being said, I do hope we get some answers on what the ferelden wardens have been up to during Inquisition. And you never know, maybe he and the other wardens will show up at Weisshaupt some day

[Andromelek]

Personally I don't think Oghren should return as a companion, he already returned in Awakening and is now a Grey Warden with potentially a family situation he is quite confortable with. I see no way he could play a part in whatever's next as a companion to the new protagonist. That being said, I do hope we get some answers on what the ferelden wardens have been up to during Inquisition. And you never know, maybe he and the other wardens will show up at Weisshaupt some day

Talking about that, the Hero Of Ferelden sends a letter, but the Warden Commander who would tale his place if he died didn't

Anyhow, why the HOF forgot to tell you about the tall talking darkspawn that (s)he found?

[Carmen_Willow]

Nathaniel Howe

 

Voiced by Simon Chadwick

Written by David Gaider

[Han Yolo]

Shianni 

[Sifr]

The Amaranthine Wardens: Velanna, Sigrun and the other Awakening Wardens previously mentioned in this thread, what happened to those guys?

 

Bethany/Carver: I really liked them, they had such a small role in DA2 because they left at the end of the first Act, I'd love to see them back in some capacity somewhere down the line, even if it's only a small role?

 

Lanaya: Zathrian's First and potentially replacement as Keeper, who was born as a City Elf, had an extremely tragic backstory before being rescued by Zathrian, shows far more acceptance towards humans than the rest of her clan and has a keen love of poetry? Wouldn't mind seeing her again?

 

Finn and Ariane: What happened to them after my Warden ditched them to go Eluvian swimming with his Old God Baby-Mama?

[Gervaise]

Your assessment of Alistair is very simplistic and ignores the reality of Thedas in the south where everyone is suspicious of mages.   He was raised in the Chanty after Isolde made Eamon chuck him out, so would have been heavily influenced by their view of things even if he hadn't been made a proper Templar.   Whilst the Wardens accept mages they were not meant to have been that common in their ranks, so Duncan's band may not have had any apart from the Warden (if a mage).    The local legends concerning Witches of the Wild would be known to him and when our original little party met Morrigan he wasn't the only one to react adversely.     If he was against Connor and Jowan over Isolde it would be because of the blood magic involved and so far as Jowan was concerned, he was working for Loghain.    So no surprise Alistair would react badly towards him over that.   His reaction over the Circle was again the sort you would expect from someone raised in the Chantry and with little direct experience of either magic or mages.   When we spare a blood mage and Leliana says she may find forgiveness, etc, Alistair comments that he would not be so optimistic knowing Templars as he does.   As for killing Yvanna, I seem to recall she is awakening dragons which I would think Alistair would view as not a good idea, something that again the majority of people in Thedas would agree with.   However, not having read the book I can't be definitive on that.   

 

Alistair has the tendency to the knee jerk reaction and allows his decisions to be too much swayed by emotion but so far as the mages and Redcliffe were concerned, he was justified.    From his point of view (shared by Anora)   he had given sanctuary to the mage rebellion, risking his standing among his own people to do so and putting his country at risk of an Exalted March should Orlais ceased their civil war and the talks at the Conclave failed to arrive at a peaceful solution.    Then they thanked him by taking the first offer made to them by a foreign power, throwing out the arl and giving the castle over to an occupying army.    The argument that they had no choice is lame.   They were willing enough to dig in at Andoral's Reach against a Templar army.    Redcliffe Castle was a much better defensible situation and they could have got much better prepared for a long siege, so even if the Templars had attacked, they could have easily held out until Alistair arrived with reinforcements.   They stabbed him in the back  and then expect him to ignore it.  If it were me, I'd be pretty upset.    He does not know that Fiona is his mother, so that has no bearing on his character with regard to the mages.

 

As we discover in DAI from Cullen, Meredith was not simply unaware or turning a blind eye to what was going on among Templars such as Alric but did as much herself.    She made Maddox tranquil, illegally, simply for exchanging love letters.  She never questioned the increase in the number of non Apprentice tranquil, which suggests she had to have been tacit in their neutering.   She ignored the concerns of one of her own senior soldiers about the activities of a possible blood mage and even apologises to the noble he suspected of involvement.    This was long before she acquired the red lyrium idol.   She was quite prepared to make Hawke to do her dirty work in Act 3 by threatening their mage sibling even though she admitted that they were an exemplary Circle mage.   She was in control of herself enough of her mental faculties to respond to the request of a noble to spare his idiot son, so the sword could not be used as an excuse for her behaviour towards Hawke.   She called for an annulment of the Circle when the mage responsible for blowing up the Chantry was standing right in front of her having admitted to the deed.     She may have been influenced by the red lyrium  but that was only exaggerating her previous paranoia about mages.

 

So whilst Meredith may have had mitigating reasons for some of her behaviour, it does not excuse all of it.     Comparing Alistair to her and claiming he is worse for mages ignores the facts and is simply prejudiced.   

[Andromelek]

Ok, first I would like to remind you that this thread's goal is not to decide if Alistair is a moron or not, that doesn't mean that I ran out of arguments to reaffirm my words.


As for Alistair, I am aware that he is not the only character who went dark in the last years, Leliana and Sten also did some terrible things, I am also pretty sure that Jowan and Yavana also did bad things on their lives but they did not saw themselves as saints either, all of them are aware that even when they did it for a cause, it was something wrong even Anders and Meredith questioned themselves about they have done during the Last Straw, of course Meredith resolved that she was right, posibly due the red lyrium. Alistair in the other hand it's always acting like "I am the good guy, you are the bad guys, you maybe did something wrong for a good cause I maybe would support your cause if you would messed with someone else and not with me or someone related to me, so screw you, if I kill you just because I don't like you I'm still being the good guy and the victim and you can't even consider yourself a victim because I am the one who resolved to kill you."

Connor performed blood magic and summoned a demon to save his father, something that Alistair never thought about, his first idea is to kill the boy and unless you mention the Circle he will never have it in mind as a way to save everyone; once in the Circle he believes that the best is purge the mages, even knowing that it would suppose that Isolde or Connor have to be killed and being aware that there is a litany that protects the mages from being possessed by Uldred's blood magic and then he even has the nerve to blame you for Connor's death, even when he agreed to purge the Circle and kill the boy.

Talking about Yavana, she was a Witch of the Wilds but she treated Alistair on a respectful and honest way unlike Flemeth and Morrigan, she prevented her dragon to hurt Isabela or Varric and the first thing that he did was to treat her just worse than he treated her mother and sister, she gives some answers and before she could leave Alistair drew his sword attempting to hurt her and demanding more answers, Yavana just trapped him with a root without harming him before he could reach her and leaves, hours after that, Claudio kidnaps Alistair and let wounded Isabela and Varric, they request Yavana's aid and she heals them to rescue Alistair, when they kill Claudio Yavana uses her magic to bring him back for a few minutes and get answers instead of even believe that the witch and him have a mutual enemy, Alistair complains that she has been screwing with them the whole time, then Yavana allows him to follow her and asks for awaken the dragons, she never forced him to do so, and yes, most of people in Thedas won't think that it's a good idea, but most people in Thedas did not met a reavers clan that lived in peace with a High Dragon without employing magic to accomplish such thing, Dragons just have the same problem than the wolves, the humans reduce their territories and when they dare to eat a sheep they are attacked, so if the people treats them kindly they won't bother them; as for Alistair, killing Yavana after earn that much help from her let him many stairs down Meredith at least in a moral viewpoint.

For the Redcliffe mages, again, the Venatori began to send people to their ranks, Fiona didn't knew the whole rebellion, so the Venatori took advantage of this to spread the "idea" of get the help of Tevinter and when the mages began to press Fiona to agree and they brought Alexius, the Venatori thrown out Arl Teagan, not the Rebel Mages, if they had fear was because there was real Templars nearby and the Venatori just exaggerated the things to scare them even more, and besides Redcliffe Castle is a great stronghold the same can't be said about the village, not all the rebels could remain into the castle and even if they could, if a bunch of mindless darkspawn made its way into the castle during the Blight, it's pretty clear that the Templars could accomplish such thing and more, the mages that were kicked out were not the Venatori or the anarchic apostates they were the scared dudes who were manipulated.

Even worse, with the Darkspawn Chronicles I can affirm that Alistair agrees to use magic as long as it saves his own life, he agreed to use the Anvil of the Void, knowing the risks that it would suppose, he even opted for accepting Morrigan's ritual rather than spare Loghain, then he could save his life and get his vengeance and the last thing, Meredith dies regardless what choices you made, Alistair can live and escape from justice and yet he still believing he is good.

[Arisugawa]

Cullen, Leliana and Morrigan are all great characters, but there are character who have not received such relevance and are really cool, they also need some love I think, beginning a thread for each one would suppose that many of them would be ignored, so, instead I've decided to begin a thread for those ignored characters that really had potential to be more.

The Architect:

Written by: David Gaider
Voiced by: Jamie Glover

Surely I am not the only one who misses this darkspawn, an ancient magister who is either lying or has amnesia he probably has a lot more to reveal than what he told on the book or the Awakening DLC, it's disappointing that beside a codex entry he was not mentioned on DAI, mostly because his comrade was the main villain on the game, hopefully we could see him again in the darkspawn themed DLC that we were promised.

 

No.

 

Hated the Architect and what he represented to the setting with the white hot intensity of 1,000 suns. 

 

That character and the narrative of the Awakening expansion was almost responsible for destroying my love of the franchise. If I never see the Architect again, or anything related to the Architect for that matter, I will be a happy woman.

 

More than anything else, Awakening prevented me from playing Dragon Age II for years. Don't get me wrong, Witch Hunt and Golems of Amgarrak did their fair share of damage to my love of Thedas, but Awakening was really the big one.

 

For all the hate it receives, deserved or otherwise, Dragon Age II restored my love of Thedas and kept me from abandoning the franchise.

 

But it was the Architect, and story surrounding him, that pushed me to that precipice. 

 

I hope he is never mentioned in so much as a Codex again.

[TheChosenOne]

No.

Hated the Architect and what he represented to the setting with the white hot intensity of 1,000 suns.

That character and the narrative of the Awakening expansion was almost responsible for destroying my love of the franchise. If I never see the Architect again, or anything related to the Architect for that matter, I will be a happy woman.

More than anything else, Awakening prevented me from playing Dragon Age II for years. Don't get me wrong, Witch Hunt and Golems of Amgarrak did their fair share of damage to my love of Thedas, but Awakening was really the big one.

For all the hate it receives, deserved or otherwise, Dragon Age II restored my love of Thedas and kept me from abandoning the franchise.

But it was the Architect, and story surrounding him, that pushed me to that precipice.

I hope he is never mentioned in so much as a Codex again.

0_0

Wow..... And here I thought the Architect was one of DA's best villains.....

[myahele]

I'd say Jowan. He was the more plot-important of all the Origin (prologue) companions.

 

It's a shame we don't hear what happens to him, even if it's just a letter/ war table mission.

 

[vertigomez]

Gotta spread the love for my homeboy Leske:

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[MadMadCarl]

Ok, first I would like to remind you that this thread's goal is not to decide if Alistair is a moron or not, that doesn't mean that I ran out of arguments to reaffirm my words.


As for Alistair, I am aware that he is not the only character who went dark in the last years, Leliana and Sten also did some terrible things, I am also pretty sure that Jowan and Yavana also did bad things on their lives but they did not saw themselves as saints either, all of them are aware that even when they did it for a cause, it was something wrong even Anders and Meredith questioned themselves about they have done during the Last Straw, of course Meredith resolved that she was right, posibly due the red lyrium. Alistair in the other hand it's always acting like "I am the good guy, you are the bad guys, you maybe did something wrong for a good cause I maybe would support your cause if you would messed with someone else and not with me or someone related to me, so screw you, if I kill you just because I don't like you I'm still being the good guy and the victim and you can't even consider yourself a victim because I am the one who resolved to kill you."

Connor performed blood magic and summoned a demon to save his father, something that Alistair never thought about, his first idea is to kill the boy and unless you mention the Circle he will never have it in mind as a way to save everyone; once in the Circle he believes that the best is purge the mages, even knowing that it would suppose that Isolde or Connor have to be killed and being aware that there is a litany that protects the mages from being possessed by Uldred's blood magic and then he even has the nerve to blame you for Connor's death, even when he agreed to purge the Circle and kill the boy.

Talking about Yavana, she was a Witch of the Wilds but she treated Alistair on a respectful and honest way unlike Flemeth and Morrigan, she prevented her dragon to hurt Isabela or Varric and the first thing that he did was to treat her just worse than he treated her mother and sister, she gives some answers and before she could leave Alistair drew his sword attempting to hurt her and demanding more answers, Yavana just trapped him with a root without harming him before he could reach her and leaves, hours after that, Claudio kidnaps Alistair and let wounded Isabela and Varric, they request Yavana's aid and she heals them to rescue Alistair, when they kill Claudio Yavana uses her magic to bring him back for a few minutes and get answers instead of even believe that the witch and him have a mutual enemy, Alistair complains that she has been screwing with them the whole time, then Yavana allows him to follow her and asks for awaken the dragons, she never forced him to do so, and yes, most of people in Thedas won't think that it's a good idea, but most people in Thedas did not met a reavers clan that lived in peace with a High Dragon without employing magic to accomplish such thing, Dragons just have the same problem than the wolves, the humans reduce their territories and when they dare to eat a sheep they are attacked, so if the people treats them kindly they won't bother them; as for Alistair, killing Yavana after earn that much help from her let him many stairs down Meredith at least in a moral viewpoint.

For the Redcliffe mages, again, the Venatori began to send people to their ranks, Fiona didn't knew the whole rebellion, so the Venatori took advantage of this to spread the "idea" of get the help of Tevinter and when the mages began to press Fiona to agree and they brought Alexius, the Venatori thrown out Arl Teagan, not the Rebel Mages, if they had fear was because there was real Templars nearby and the Venatori just exaggerated the things to scare them even more, and besides Redcliffe Castle is a great stronghold the same can't be said about the village, not all the rebels could remain into the castle and even if they could, if a bunch of mindless darkspawn made its way into the castle during the Blight, it's pretty clear that the Templars could accomplish such thing and more, the mages that were kicked out were not the Venatori or the anarchic apostates they were the scared dudes who were manipulated.

Even worse, with the Darkspawn Chronicles I can affirm that Alistair agrees to use magic as long as it saves his own life, he agreed to use the Anvil of the Void, knowing the risks that it would suppose, he even opted for accepting Morrigan's ritual rather than spare Loghain, then he could save his life and get his vengeance and the last thing, Meredith dies regardless what choices you made, Alistair can live and escape from justice and yet he still believing he is good.

That indeed makes him a crap of person, but not really worse than meredith, as long you are not a mage and you havent messed with him, he is a nice guy, and if you want, you have two canon ways to kill him and save yvana (i believe) and the king alistair, who is the one who "escaped from justice" you know, he cannot run forever, i guess that bioware is going to give a final blow, steve valentine said something about no more alistair in future games, so, he may be is killed in a comic or by gaider in his new book.

[MadMadCarl]

Gotta spread the love for my homeboy Leske:

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who is that guy?

[MadMadCarl]

Ok, first I would like to remind you that this thread's goal is not to decide if Alistair is a moron or not, that doesn't mean that I ran out of arguments to reaffirm my words.


As for Alistair, I am aware that he is not the only character who went dark in the last years, Leliana and Sten also did some terrible things, I am also pretty sure that Jowan and Yavana also did bad things on their lives but they did not saw themselves as saints either, all of them are aware that even when they did it for a cause, it was something wrong even Anders and Meredith questioned themselves about they have done during the Last Straw, of course Meredith resolved that she was right, posibly due the red lyrium. Alistair in the other hand it's always acting like "I am the good guy, you are the bad guys, you maybe did something wrong for a good cause I maybe would support your cause if you would messed with someone else and not with me or someone related to me, so screw you, if I kill you just because I don't like you I'm still being the good guy and the victim and you can't even consider yourself a victim because I am the one who resolved to kill you."

Connor performed blood magic and summoned a demon to save his father, something that Alistair never thought about, his first idea is to kill the boy and unless you mention the Circle he will never have it in mind as a way to save everyone; once in the Circle he believes that the best is purge the mages, even knowing that it would suppose that Isolde or Connor have to be killed and being aware that there is a litany that protects the mages from being possessed by Uldred's blood magic and then he even has the nerve to blame you for Connor's death, even when he agreed to purge the Circle and kill the boy.

Talking about Yavana, she was a Witch of the Wilds but she treated Alistair on a respectful and honest way unlike Flemeth and Morrigan, she prevented her dragon to hurt Isabela or Varric and the first thing that he did was to treat her just worse than he treated her mother and sister, she gives some answers and before she could leave Alistair drew his sword attempting to hurt her and demanding more answers, Yavana just trapped him with a root without harming him before he could reach her and leaves, hours after that, Claudio kidnaps Alistair and let wounded Isabela and Varric, they request Yavana's aid and she heals them to rescue Alistair, when they kill Claudio Yavana uses her magic to bring him back for a few minutes and get answers instead of even believe that the witch and him have a mutual enemy, Alistair complains that she has been screwing with them the whole time, then Yavana allows him to follow her and asks for awaken the dragons, she never forced him to do so, and yes, most of people in Thedas won't think that it's a good idea, but most people in Thedas did not met a reavers clan that lived in peace with a High Dragon without employing magic to accomplish such thing, Dragons just have the same problem than the wolves, the humans reduce their territories and when they dare to eat a sheep they are attacked, so if the people treats them kindly they won't bother them; as for Alistair, killing Yavana after earn that much help from her let him many stairs down Meredith at least in a moral viewpoint.

For the Redcliffe mages, again, the Venatori began to send people to their ranks, Fiona didn't knew the whole rebellion, so the Venatori took advantage of this to spread the "idea" of get the help of Tevinter and when the mages began to press Fiona to agree and they brought Alexius, the Venatori thrown out Arl Teagan, not the Rebel Mages, if they had fear was because there was real Templars nearby and the Venatori just exaggerated the things to scare them even more, and besides Redcliffe Castle is a great stronghold the same can't be said about the village, not all the rebels could remain into the castle and even if they could, if a bunch of mindless darkspawn made its way into the castle during the Blight, it's pretty clear that the Templars could accomplish such thing and more, the mages that were kicked out were not the Venatori or the anarchic apostates they were the scared dudes who were manipulated.

Even worse, with the Darkspawn Chronicles I can affirm that Alistair agrees to use magic as long as it saves his own life, he agreed to use the Anvil of the Void, knowing the risks that it would suppose, he even opted for accepting Morrigan's ritual rather than spare Loghain, then he could save his life and get his vengeance and the last thing, Meredith dies regardless what choices you made, Alistair can live and escape from justice and yet he still believing he is good.

That indeed makes him a crap of person, but not really worse than meredith, as long you dont ****** him off and you are not a mage, alistair is a nice guy, the worse he did in fact was betray yavana in that way, but you have two ways to kill him and prevent this from happening, furthermore, steve valentine said something about no more alistair on his twitter, so i suppose that Gaider is about to kill permanently king alistair whos the most shitty of all alistairs versions.

[MadMadCarl]

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I havent played origins for years, i dont remember, who is this guy?

[Sifr]

That indeed makes him a crap of person, but not really worse than meredith, as long you dont ****** him off and you are not a mage, alistair is a nice guy, the worse he did in fact was betray yavana in that way, but you have two ways to kill him and prevent this from happening, furthermore, steve valentine said something about no more alistair on his twitter, so i suppose that Gaider is about to kill permanently king alistair whos the most shitty of all alistairs versions.

 

I dunno if I agree with this, King Alistair actually seems to be doing a fairly decent job of running Ferelden, even accounting for that slight mishap when the Venatori usurped the Mage Rebellion and ended up taking over Redcliffe completely?

 

Otherwise, he's either have spent the last decade dead, or in exile as either a drunk or a Warden, both of which seem pretty rubbish fates for him? The drunken exile is perhaps the even worse worldstate, as while he finally sobers up and rejoins the Order, the Wardens turn on him and make him a fugitive from them once he finds out what Clarel was planning? And it's especially a downer ending for him after all he goes through, he potentially dies at Adamant anyway?

 

Suddenly the whole King thing looks pretty cushty?

 

I havent played origins for years, i dont remember, who is this guy?

 

Leske is the Dwarf Commoner's best friend and partner in crime within the Carta, who's your temporary companion during the Origin. When you return to Orzammar later in the game, you discover that he's now working as the right hand man of Jarvia (who took over the Carta after you killed Beraht) and you're unfortunately forced to kill him.

 

He's also voiced by Brian Bloom, aka Varric.

[vertigomez]

I havent played origins for years, i dont remember, who is this guy?

A fiiiine sunavabitch called Leske.

Or, what Sifr said.

[Sifr]

I was wondering whether to tag it, but then I thought, is it really a spoiler if the game's been out for six years?

 

[VelvetV]

Hated the Architect and what he represented to the setting with the white hot intensity of 1,000 suns. 

 

That character and the narrative of the Awakening expansion was almost responsible for destroying my love of the franchise. If I never see the Architect again, or anything related to the Architect for that matter, I will be a happy woman.

 

What's wrong with the Architect? What reason could there possibly be for such disgust?

I found him a pretty curious specimen, if anything. An intelligent darkspawn, omg! He's for Awakening what Cole is for DA:I: someone who is an anomaly among his own kind and with an intention to help humans. Albeit not exactly reliable, which makes it even more interesting.

 

I seriously liked him a lot and hope we will hear about his endeavours once more. Unfortunately, he can't possibly stop the Blight now that some players could choose to kill him in the game.

 

On that note, it's a flaw in C&C system that is responsible for sad disappearances of characters. If a character is introduced and you can make a choice about him, not necessarily to murder him, in some cases it would be impossible to make him\her reappear in any fashion that would have an impact on the world.