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[Sifr]

Anora does exactly the same good job for ferelden (which makes me think that the writers were lazy to put any remarkable difference) but anora is clever and not a treacherous complaining biitch like alistair, and if you like alistair, i would pick warden alistair as the best since he has more involvement, and about being betrayed by the other grey wardens, both, alistair and loghain fairly deserve it for being so treacherous in the past, the only that I would hear complain about is stroud

 

Except when Anora betrays the Warden by claiming that you attempted to kidnap her, when you were actually rescuing her... forcing you to either accept being throne into Fort Drakon (and for all you know, face execution or torture) or fight your way out of the situation?

 

How exactly does Alistair betray you in anyway? He complains about not really wanting to be King, but if you harden him, he accepts that it's something he needs to do for the good of Ferelden?

 

Alistair as a Warden might have more screentime, but it's debateable whether it's the better life for him compared to what he could potentially be doing? As a Warden, he's basically a nobody and an exile doing the cleanup after the Fifth Blight, while as a King, he's helping to rebuild Ferelden after the Fifth Blight and making important decisions?

 

Honestly, if I was Alistair, I'd rather be King and sleeping with my arch-nemesis' daughter, knowing that my hated father-in-law is in exile in a country he hates, amongst Warden comrades who utterly hate him in return? As far as revenge goes, that dish is definitely being served cold.

 

[Panda]

I hope we see the Architect again. He has so much unused potential as character and could be written in many ways. Personally I don't see him as villain, because we can side with him after all and I think his goals aren't bad though he seems to be bit goal beats means kinda guy.

[MadMadCarl]

Except when Anora betrays the Warden by claiming that you attempted to kidnap her, when you were actually rescuing her... forcing you to either accept being throne into Fort Drakon (and for all you know, face execution or torture) or fight your way out of the situation?

 

How exactly does Alistair betray you in anyway? He complains about not really wanting to be King, but if you harden him, he accepts that it's something he needs to do for the good of Ferelden?

 

Alistair as a Warden might have more screentime, but it's debateable whether it's the better life for him compared to what he could potentially be doing? As a Warden, he's basically a nobody and an exile doing the cleanup after the Fifth Blight, while as a King, he's helping to rebuild Ferelden after the Fifth Blight and making important decisions?

 

Honestly, if I was Alistair, I'd rather be King and sleeping with my arch-nemesis' daughter, knowing that my hated father-in-law is in exile in a country he hates, amongst Warden comrades who utterly hate him in return? As far as revenge goes, that dish is definitely being served cold.

 

Have I to recall what began the whole fight? andromlek was wrong for comparing alistair with meredith, so alistair maybe didnt betray the warden but unless you find a good excuse for yavana, it counts as betray, somehow worse than anoras, because yavana was unarmed and unaware that something was wrong, i liked alistair at first, but after the comics i can say that im not the only one who lost respect for alistair or even developed some hate for him at least anora asked apologizes and loghain regretted what he did, alistair just did not  even regret it at all.

[Sifr]

But Yavana was attempting to wake up dragons with his blood, her plan couldn't go ahead without his participation and he had no way to know whether she'd not try to force the issue if he refuse? Maybe it's partially down to bias because of his prior experience with her sister, but I don't think he'd ever trust either of them as far as he could throw them? Why would he ever agree to give her access to an army of dragons she could use for evil?

 

While I don't think Alistair was right to kill Yavana, I don't think it was out-of-character for him to make that kind of choice?

 

While it's non-canon, Darkspawn Chronicles showed that when push came to shove, Alistair would do some pretty morally ambiguous stuff if he had to if it meant ending the Blight, such as siding with the werewolves, preserving the Anvil and siding with the Templars.

[Jaison1986]

I think Ostagar was quite the backstab for Alistair part. He knew the joining could kill you, he knew Duncan was taking advantage of the Warden's trust, and he choose to stay quiet about it. He was ok with the joining potentially killing recruits. IDK, for someone so moral, Alistair is quite lenient when it comes to the grey wardens amorality.

[Arisugawa]

I think Ostagar was quite the backstab for Alistair part. He knew the joining could kill you, he knew Duncan was taking advantage of the Warden's trust, and he choose to stay quiet about it. He was ok with the joining potentially killing recruits. IDK, for someone so moral, Alistair is quite lenient when it comes to the grey wardens amorality.

 

In my opinion, I don't believe this is the case.

 

Alistair has a highly idealized image of the Grey Wardens. The Wardens that Alistair believes in never existed. Blackwall has the same flaw. For that matter, the Wardens that most fans of Origins think had a character assassination in Inquisition never existed either, but that's another discussion.

 

Alistair looks at the Joining as a necessity. He also views the secrecy behind it as such, and you can lose approval with him if you say otherwise after he reveals that the Taint will eventually kill a Warden.

 

He isn't backstabbing any of the Warden recruits. He remains quiet due to a mix of practicality and idealism. He went through the same ritual with the same risks, and understands why those risks and the secrecy surrounding them exist.

[Jaison1986]

In my opinion, I don't believe this is the case.

 

Alistair has a highly idealized image of the Grey Wardens. The Wardens that Alistair believes in never existed. Blackwall has the same flaw. For that matter, the Wardens that most fans of Origins think had a character assassination in Inquisition never existed either, but that's another discussion.

 

Alistair looks at the Joining as a necessity. He also views the secrecy behind it as such, and you can lose approval with him if you say otherwise after he reveals that the Taint will eventually kill a Warden.

 

He isn't backstabbing any of the Warden recruits. He remains quiet due to a mix of practicality and idealism. He went through the same ritual with the same risks, and understands why those risks and the secrecy surrounding them exist.

 

If that's the case, doesn't that makes Alistair an hypocrite for being against using the Anvil of the void? The Anvil uses the same ideology of the grey wardens: sacrificing people in order to fight for the greater good.

[Andromelek]

Believe me guys, I am happy that I am not the only one who considers Alistair a treacherous complaining hypocrite, in fact I would love to leave him alone with someone like this guy.

Spoiler

 

But the point of the thread was discuss the characters who have not appeared for a while or that were wasted, so instead of remind me how much I hate Alistair, can you please talk about the kind of characters that I've mentioned?

Someone like Ser Cauthrien for example (voiced by: Alix Wilton Regan), never heard what happened to her if she survived DAO.

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[Arisugawa]

If that's the case, doesn't that makes Alistair an hypocrite for being against using the Anvil of the void? The Anvil uses the same ideology of the grey wardens: sacrificing people in order to fight for the greater good.

 

Does it make him a hypocrite? Not by the standards that Alistair is viewing it by. In his view, the Wardens conscript when necessary, but they prefer volunteers. Surviving the Joining means becoming part of something greater - a noble band of warriors who are fighting a monolithic enemy for the good of all, even if their efforts go unappreciated.

 

Being turned into a golem, regardless of it is voluntary, is in his view a far more brutal experience. You're physically transformed into something completely different than the being you once were - forced to live out whatever unfeeling life you may have in that form, especially if you are bound to a control rod. In his view, there is also far less danger of abuse from the Joining as compared to the Anvil - Wardens don't make other Wardens for anything other than combating the darkspawn, while the creation of golems can be used for more nefarious purposes, such as subduing the casteless, waging war on the armies of the surface, etc. And it's worse because if you are bound to a control rod, you have to do these things against your will even while you rage against those who hold the rod. Provided your survive the battles, you could live for centuries or longer in that condition. That isn't even taking into account the golems who appear to nothing more than automatons without personality.

 

I'm not saying he's objectively correct - but it fits in with his morality to defend the Joining but abhor the Anvil.

 

 

 

Believe me guys, I am happy that I am not the only one who considers Alistair a treacherous complaining hypocrite.

 

But the point of the thread was discuss the characters who have not appeared for a while or that were wasted, so instead of remind me how much I hate Alistair, can you please talk about the kind of characters that I've mentioned?

Someone like Ser Cauthrien for example (voiced by: Alix Wilton Regan), never heard what happened to her if she survived DAO.

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Apologies.

 

I love Cauthrien. I would rather recruit her into the Wardens than Loghain. My Cousland Warden has major issues with her for obvious reasons, but she would rather recruit her than kill her. 

 

I can see the problem putting her into Inquisition or future titles, though. The player has two opportunities to kill her in Origins, so the odds of her survival are slim.

[Sifr]

Would have been tragic and more bittersweet that if she was still alive, Cauthrien had decided to atone her part in the Wardens getting wiped out in Ostagar by joining the order in Awakening, taking the place of Mhairi (who's amusingly also voiced by AWR)... being our temporary companion during the prologue sequence, only to unfortunately perish during the Joining Ritual?

 

But since that luckily didn't happen, I'd not say no to seeing her again? While an accessory to Loghain's deeds, she was a great military commander and well-respected, so perhaps she was allowed to still remain in the army (although possibly demoted) and simply transferred like Threnn was?

[AresKeith]

Finn and Arianne are two of my faves and I'm glad that there's a piece in WoT2 about them. They're so adorable.

 

I ship it

[Darkly Tranquil]

I think Ostagar was quite the backstab for Alistair part. He knew the joining could kill you, he knew Duncan was taking advantage of the Warden's trust, and he choose to stay quiet about it. He was ok with the joining potentially killing recruits. IDK, for someone so moral, Alistair is quite lenient when it comes to the grey wardens amorality.

Alistair has also been conditioned all his life (by Eamon, the Chantry/Templars, and the Grey Wardens) to be obedient and follow the rules, so even if he did have qualms about it, at that stage of his life (young, inexperienced, unhardened - giggity) he would not have had the confidence to object even if it did bother him. If his superior (who he respects greatly) says it's necessary and that it's how things are done, he accepts it. Unless the Warden hardens him, Alistair is a bit of a doormat.

[Guha sharan]

Ser Cautherien
My homeboy Alec The Valiant.
Anora
Evangeline seems interesting too.
Avernus
ALL THE BLACKSTONE IRREGULARS
Michel de Chevin
Bianca(The dwarf not the cross bow)
The Guardian from the urn of sacred ashes
That's it for now. I think

Would love Kardol but I doubt he'd leave the deep roads again.

[Joe25]

Am I the only one who thinks that Skywatcher is super hot?

[Andromelek]

Am I the only one who thinks that Skywatcher is super hot?

Since he has come to be a MP character and they sent him to have some casual sex with the Thane Sun-Hair during JoH, I would say that you are not the only one XD.

[Sifr]

Since he has come to be a MP character and they sent him to have some casual sex with the Thane Sun-Hair during JoH, I would say that you are not the only one XD.

 

I suspect my female Cadash and Adaar wouldn't have minded having a roll in the hay with him if he offered?