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[Majestic Jazz]

You can't compare ME3 to ME:Next. Times have changed. EA is spending a lot less money on marketing than 2011/12 and early announcements have backfired lately. Long marketing campaigns cost a lot of money and might damage your game. You just can't sustain the hype for more than a year.

 

I fail to see the logic in this. DAI had a marketing campaign that lasted more than a year and that was a successful game (Sales wise). 

 

And what early announcements have backfired?

 

I mean, I understand everyone's optimism and thats great, but like I said before, we are all assuming that this game will release in 2016. Some even assume it will release in Early/Spring 2016 which could technically mean less than a year from now if it comes out in April or earlier and yet we still do not even know then official name of the game!?! Lol, I mean really?

[Fiery Phoenix]

You answered your own question. E3 will be our first real look at ME: Next.

[Majestic Jazz]

You answered your own question. E3 will be our first real look at ME: Next.

 

That's not confirmed. Bioware nor Electronic Arts has officially came out to say that MEN/ME4 will have a presence at E3. This is just all fan/industry analyst speculation. Just like a 2016 release is all fan/industry analyst speculation. 

 

Also review this, the fact that Mass Effect 4 was missing from the EA's recent earnings doesn't suggest good news to me. Call me a pessimist, but I REALLY hope that EA/Bioware is just wanting to save the surprise for EA by announcing the name, tenative release date, as well as trailer, screenshots, and general information regarding gameplay, locations, characters, custimization, and plot all at the Electronic Arts E3 Press Conference with possible exclusive gameplay/trailers at the Microsoft/Sony press conferences PLUS the behind closed doors demostrations which will be touched upon by big media like IGN and Gamespot.

 

OR,

 

This could mean a 2017 release and that E3 2015 is just too early to open up the floodgates for ME4, which explains the recent calm surrounding ME4 and the general attention still being on Dragon Age: Inquisition. 

[Fiery Phoenix]

That's not confirmed. Bioware nor Electronic Arts has officially came out to say that MEN/ME4 will have a presence at E3. This is just all fan/industry analyst speculation. Just like a 2016 release is all fan/industry analyst speculation. 

The thing is BioWare has nothing else to show at E3 besides this game. DA:I is long out of the picture, and they're not going to show off DA:I DLC at an E3 press conference. ME: Next is the next logical step for them. We already got a glimpse last year. Without DA:I to worry about this year, you can bet we will see some solid stuff on the game this time.

[Majestic Jazz]

The thing is BioWare has nothing else to show at E3 besides this game. DA:I is long out of the picture, and they're not going to show off DA:I DLC at an E3 press conference. ME: Next is the next logical step for them. We already got a glimpse last year. Without DA:I to worry about this year, you can bet we will see some solid stuff on the game this time.

 

Logically yes, that would make sense. DAI is over so that would get no coverage and all of the coverage would goto ME4 with the possibility of a teaser/hard announcement of the unknown Bioware new IP. 

[Delacruz]

That's not confirmed. Bioware nor Electronic Arts has officially came out to say that MEN/ME4 will have a presence at E3. This is just all fan/industry analyst speculation. Just like a 2016 release is all fan/industry analyst speculation. 

ME:N was shown at E3 2014 (in the form of conceptual animations plus the video with Casey talking about it),
so wouldn't it be a pretty safe bet that it will show up at E3 this year? 

My guess is: ME:N reveal at E3, name along with cinematic trailer and vague description of setting + it's own website-> PAX/NYCC.etc. More details about setting, races, maybe even some in-game footage and info on protagonist -> nothing major until November 7 where they reveal one or two companions and maybe a short demo of the multiplayer component -> blog posts or developer diary videos and interviews with gaming sites until Q1 2016 where the heavy marketing starts with TV, facebook, youtube adds etc. maybe a gameinformer cover -> game release in start Q2 2016

 

Time will tell, but i hope that i'm at least somewhat right

[Fiery Phoenix]

Logically yes, that would make sense. DAI is over so that would get no coverage and all of the coverage would goto ME4 with the possibility of a teaser/hard announcement of the unknown Bioware new IP. 

Exactly my point.
 

They really have nothing else to show this time. You're right we may also get a little teaser of the new IP, but the focus will probably remain on ME:N.

[TheJester000]

I hope we don't see anything from ME:N at E3. Bioware needs to stop being forced into rushing it's games out. The more time they take to get this game right, the better. Considering some of the fails BW has had in it's past couple titles, I really don't want to see the franchise become a lackluster or watered down version of it's previous self. Please take all the time you need Bioware, I can wait for 2017 if it means getting a complete and amazing game.

[Sanunes]

I fail to see the logic in this. DAI had a marketing campaign that lasted more than a year and that was a successful game (Sales wise). 

 

And what early announcements have backfired?

 

I mean, I understand everyone's optimism and thats great, but like I said before, we are all assuming that this game will release in 2016. Some even assume it will release in Early/Spring 2016 which could technically mean less than a year from now if it comes out in April or earlier and yet we still do not even know then official name of the game!?! Lol, I mean really?

 

The way I remember Dragon Age: Inquisition is they had the 2013 E3 trailer, but very little until E3 2014 when they started to show more and more with each press demonstration and now EA has announced their Financial statement we know there isn't a BioWare title until at least mid-2016 and we don't really know when they are going to release the next game.

[Gago]

It would be great if they show a trailer or something but I don't want to rush BW, take all the time you need guys just make the game amazing.

[pdusen]

I hope we don't see anything from ME:N at E3. Bioware needs to stop being forced into rushing it's games out. The more time they take to get this game right, the better. Considering some of the fails BW has had in it's past couple titles, I really don't want to see the franchise become a lackluster or watered down version of it's previous self. Please take all the time you need Bioware, I can wait for 2017 if it means getting a complete and amazing game.

 

Really though? I mean... I agree with the general sentiment, but a 2016 release is still a lot of time spent developing the game.

[LordSwagley]

I don't mind if they take their time, but give us a nibble. A trailer of somesort which at the least gives us the setting and a glimpse at the game.

[TheJester000]

Really though? I mean... I agree with the general sentiment, but a 2016 release is still a lot of time spent developing the game.

 

DAI was delayed and look at what we ended up getting, it needed at least another year.

[mrjack]

DAI was delayed and look at what we ended up getting, it needed at least another year.

 

No no no. This 4+ year development cycle is getting ridiculous. DAI was a very good game despite all the accusations to the contrary and it was delayed a year already. They were right to release it when they did.

 

And having more time doesn't necessarily guarantee a great game. For one thing the longer time period between the start of development and the end, the more dated the product will look when it finally releases. You can't keep changing everything to account for constantly evolving technology in the middle of development.

 

I understand this is a new game on a new engine so 4 years is reasonable-ish but after that they should be aiming for a game every 2 years or so. 3 games in a decade is too few. I'd rather have smaller more frequent titles than one massive sprawling game that is heavy on content but light on story.

[Sanunes]

No no no. This 4+ year development cycle is getting ridiculous. DAI was a very good game despite all the accusations to the contrary and it was delayed a year already. They were right to release it when they did.

 

And having more time doesn't necessarily guarantee a great game. For one thing the longer time period between the start of development and the end, the more dated the product will look when it finally releases. You can't keep changing everything to account for constantly evolving technology in the middle of development.

 

I understand this is a new game on a new engine so 4 years is reasonable-ish but after that they should be aiming for a game every 2 years or so. 3 games in a decade is too few. I'd rather have smaller more frequent titles than one massive sprawling game that is heavy on content but light on story.

 

Three years seems to be what developers are publishers are going for now, look at Call of Duty they have three different developers working on the game so they can have a yearly release of a title and I think it would take more work to get a Mass Effect game out to market then a Call of Duty game.

 

I can't think of any game that I like that has been released in a short window for it always feels like it was rushed to make a "calendar release date" and you have been seeing that more and more in recent years.  I will agree they probably went to four years because it was the new engine, but I disagree that two years would be enough time to create a game that is good.

[Nitrocuban]

The main weakness of all ME games so far was their too short dev time.

It's obviouse that a lot if not all 'not so great' parts where not planned to be like that, but it was the best the devs could do within the timeframe they had.

[Creator Limbs]

k dude how bout you just let DAI have this time because frankly everything about Dragon Age will get completely overshadowed when ME:next is released because Mass Effect is this company's cash cow.

[pdusen]

DAI was delayed and look at what we ended up getting, it needed at least another year.

 

I disagree. I'm pretty sure what problems DA:I had (and I contend that they were very minor) were the result of scope management issues at the management level, which all the time in the world wouldn't cure.

[Sanunes]

ME2 got a lot of dev time. And to me, it's shows. It's a fairly complete game, for what it's trying to be. I think at the time tthey were transitioning and looking for a publisher (before EA), so it was being worked on in their own time and money.

 

It really depends on how you are looking at the games and what features you want to see and such.  I know a person that will swear that Mass Effect 2 was rushed because they went for planet scanning instead of landing on a planet like Mass Effect 1 and I think I have seen people saying the final boss of the game seems to be the byproduct of being rushed as well.

[Sanunes]

I don't think it's anymore rushed than Saren. It's kind of the same underlying principle. TPS shooting gameplay, with a hard to hit/shifty target.

 

The underlying story of the Reaper had a purpose, but since the original writer left, I think his plans got thrown out the window (the dark energy plot..... For better or worse).

 

The planet scanning sucked, but I think the side missions on the planets were better than anything I got in ME1. All of them had little stories and cinematics... that would take more time than anything ME1 did.

 

Some people will look at elements of a game and proclaim "it was rushed because of this" and it might not be the case.  I do prefer the missions on the planets in Mass Effect 2 over what was offered outside of the main story missions in Mass Effect 1.  Its just that I know a person that will use a segment of the game he didn't like as a reason to why it was rushed and not because it was simply a poor design choice.

 

I do believe even if BioWare took four or five years to make a game people would still find elements in the game they didn't like or say how it could have been better and just proclaim the game rushed because of it.  It has happened with Dragon Age: Inquisition because of the Gamescon video when people lament how the game could have been.  Now it has been reported they had to cut those elements because of trying to get the game to work on the older consoles, but people still claim it was rushed.

[mrjack]

I agree people will always say that a "big" game is rushed because of any perceived flaws. 2-3 years between titles on the same engine is more than enough time to make a complete game if there are enough people working on it and the project is well managed. They have to stick to this window if they want to release a trilogy on the same generation of consoles.

 

So far, Playstation has had three previous generations lasting 6, 6 and 7 years. If you release at the beginning of a generation you can manage three titles but if NME comes out later than 2016, there will be no way. A new generation normally means a new engine so we are back to the 4+ year waiting time. I don't even think this generation is going to last 6 years because the tech is so low grade, it can't compete with even an average gaming PC.

 

No matter what platform you play on, releasing the last game as cross generation after the newest generation is out holds back the game's potential as we've seen with DAI.

[Vazgen]

Tbh, they had enough time to go on without even a title. Info like that is long overdue.