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[Ariella]

You can travel to it too, in a way, and that's when Cole talks about it.

 

I'm guessing the Elven Gods are stuck in the Black City, and the Old Gods are the Magister's souls trapped in the Dragon's. Unless the ancient Grey Warden journal is misread due to the Wardens calling Old Gods Archdemons without knowing they are Old Gods, they said they were looking for Archdemons in the Deep Roads, so it's assumed they are already Blighted most likely due to the tainted Magister's trapped within, but that's just my thoughts.

 

I never bring Cole into the Fade, mostly because if I'm going to bring a rogue, it's going to be Varric, since well... Hawke.

 

The only thing I'm willing to grant for certain is the Blight is there. And that's mostly because of an out of game comment Patrick Weekes, I think, made about for Corypheus entering the Black City was like entering Heaven and finding it filled with Blight. So this is the only think I take as a solid "yes this is" when it comes to the Black City. Everything else is up for grabs. 

 

DAI makes me feel like I'm back in the old Babylon Five days. The series is starting the feel like a multi act play. This is act three, and I'm going "Oh crap, what's next." If B5 is any indicator, Cullen's going to die.

[Aulis Vaara]

I'm posting this here because it seems the most appropriate place, and I'm seriously wondering who else considered this possibility.

 

When Corypheus first reveals what he intended for the Anchor one of my first thoughts was: what happens if the only way to stop him is to beat him there? Morrigan makes a comment in a similar vein at Skyhold about being worried that Corypheus CAN become a god.

 

So, I wonder, would your Inquisitor have gone to the Black City in an attempt to stop Corypheus even knowing what happened last time someone entered there.

 

I'm horribly disappointed we didn't get to go. Clearly we should have gone there.

[nightscrawl]

I'm posting this here because it seems the most appropriate place, and I'm seriously wondering who else considered this possibility.

 

When Corypheus first reveals what he intended for the Anchor one of my first thoughts was: what happens if the only way to stop him is to beat him there? Morrigan makes a comment in a similar vein at Skyhold about being worried that Corypheus CAN become a god.

 

So, I wonder, would your Inquisitor have gone to the Black City in an attempt to stop Corypheus even knowing what happened last time someone entered there.

 

This is pretty interesting.

 

I would do it, but I'd have to be damn sure that there was no other way.

[Sifr]

You can travel to it too, in a way, and that's when Cole talks about it.

 

I'm guessing the Elven Gods are stuck in the Black City, and the Old Gods are the Magister's souls trapped in the Dragon's. Unless the ancient Grey Warden journal is misread due to the Wardens calling Old Gods Archdemons without knowing they are Old Gods, they said they were looking for Archdemons in the Deep Roads, so it's assumed they are already Blighted most likely due to the tainted Magister's trapped within, but that's just my thoughts.

 

I think that the Wardens were using the terms Archdemon and Old God interchangeably, kinda like how Dorian points out how Southerners sometimes use "Magister" like it applies to everyone in the Imperium, when it's actually just members of the Magisterium?

 

I've been wondering whether or not the Old Gods are actually just the Forgotten Ones, since according to elven lore, the Forgotten Ones were sealed deep beneath the earth, much like the Archdemons are said to be?

[PapaCharlie9]

I don't find the arguments about "it's there in the Fade" very compelling -- I'm kind of with Sera on this one, who knows what it is real real and what's just messing with my head while physically in the Fade?

 

Of course, a big part of the motivation for the main quest is Cory trying to find a path to the City by way of the Fade, so, I'm not sure what to do with that, although that begs its own questions, like, why the need to sacrifice the Divine? The Orb/Anchor is clearly enough to get into the Fade physically, why the extra hocus-pocus?

 

I do agree with the cultural assimilation argument, though. There probably is some connection between the City and what happened to the elven powers. If that is not true, there are some very big questions begged about the origins of the races and their connection to the Maker.

 

I think Patrick Weekes's comment actually supports my argument! He likens the City to Heaven. That's exactly what I think as well. I don't want to veer into religion here, but I'll just say that I'd be very disappointed if the directions to Heaven were as simple as, "Go up, then go a bit higher, then turn right at the cloud shaped like a bunny, and there you are, the Pearly Gates!"

 

In sum, I'll freely admit to stubborn headcanon here. It would be such a waste for the City to be an actual location, like the neighborhood laundromat, or even the Taj Mahal. Since I don't cherish disappointment, I choose to ignore canon that disagrees with me and go on my happy way. 

 

(I make no claim to consistency. I had absolutely no problem with Sovngarde being an actual place in/above/beyond Skyrim. It completely fit within the Norse-ish mythos.)

[Sifr]

Yeah that does make sense, but sometimes I feel the OG are already Blighted.

 

Could be, if you do that war table mission about dragons you find out that dragons actually are capable of resisting the Blight (to a degree) by growing these kinds of cysts around the infected tissue, preventing it from spreading?

 

I actually like that idea, perhaps the OG were Blighted (but not corrupted) and were sealed away for their own good, akin to non-symptomatic carriers who are forced into quarantine to prevent themselves from infecting others? Unfortunately, the Darkspawn's presence once they've breached the quarantine, causes them to start displaying symptoms and the corruption to finally manifest?

[Digger1967]

I'm posting this here because it seems the most appropriate place, and I'm seriously wondering who else considered this possibility.

When Corypheus first reveals what he intended for the Anchor one of my first thoughts was: what happens if the only way to stop him is to beat him there? Morrigan makes a comment in a similar vein at Skyhold about being worried that Corypheus CAN become a god.

So, I wonder, would your Inquisitor have gone to the Black City in an attempt to stop Corypheus even knowing what happened last time someone entered there.

I have it in good authority that it's called the black city because of its lack of a village inn. So no, I'd have to pass. Willing to do a lot to save the world but I draw the line at no Apple pie availability.

[Sifr]

Or the reverse, what if Solas sealing the Elven Gods away in the Golden City lead the City to turn Black... only for the Magisters to end up breaking in shortly later, getting infected, then spreading that corruption to the Old Gods sleeping underground?

 

Would fit with how Solas seems to accidentally cause apocalyptic events to occur, due to unforeseen consequences of his plans?

 

[Sifr]

Omg lol that's even better than my theory and makes some sense too! I love it!

 

Source Of Legendary Apocalyptic Situations

 

[Ariella]

I don't find the arguments about "it's there in the Fade" very compelling -- I'm kind of with Sera on this one, who knows what it is real real and what's just messing with my head while physically in the Fade?

 

Of course, a big part of the motivation for the main quest is Cory trying to find a path to the City by way of the Fade, so, I'm not sure what to do with that, although that begs its own questions, like, why the need to sacrifice the Divine? The Orb/Anchor is clearly enough to get into the Fade physically, why the extra hocus-pocus?

 

I do agree with the cultural assimilation argument, though. There probably is some connection between the City and what happened to the elven powers. If that is not true, there are some very big questions begged about the origins of the races and their connection to the Maker.

 

I think Patrick Weekes's comment actually supports my argument! He likens the City to Heaven. That's exactly what I think as well. I don't want to veer into religion here, but I'll just say that I'd be very disappointed if the directions to Heaven were as simple as, "Go up, then go a bit higher, then turn right at the cloud shaped like a bunny, and there you are, the Pearly Gates!"

 

In sum, I'll freely admit to stubborn headcanon here. It would be such a waste for the City to be an actual location, like the neighborhood laundromat, or even the Taj Mahal. Since I don't cherish disappointment, I choose to ignore canon that disagrees with me and go on my happy way. 

 

(I make no claim to consistency. I had absolutely no problem with Sovngarde being an actual place in/above/beyond Skyrim. It completely fit within the Norse-ish mythos.)

 

Weekes likens it to Heaven as the Black City has similar connotations in the cult of the Old Gods as it does in the Andrastian faith, seat of the Old Gods, not because it actually IS Heaven. I mean Mount Olympus exists physically, but nobody has found the realm of the Greek gods in this world.

 

As for Sera, she's the last person I'd be consulting on matters of magic and religion . I mean after Haven, I was afraid I was going to need to sedate her, or get her really really drunk. She doesn't want to believe, it complicates her world view. A nice little world in three dimensions where she can have fun. Get more complicated than that and she starts sailing down the river denial. I don't blame her, and it's a completely valid way of seeing things, but it doesn't make her the best consultant one stuff like this <G>.

 

Well, according to the Claw of Dumat note found in the Fade, Corypheus originally sacrificed all of his elven slaves/servants to open the Fade, because of there was a connection to the Beyond in their blood. The note makes sense given what we know, and the other notes found in the Fade also fit within the incidents they describe, so I think there is some validity to it. This being the case there may have been something about the Divine that made her an appropriate sacrifice beyond sending the Chantry into chaos. Especially since it wasn't a blood sacrifice, and for some reason the Orb was primed to give the Anchor to the Herald before the Divine was dead. I mean, usually the sacrifice has to, well, DIE, before this kind of thing is considered complete. I have a theory and some circumstantial evidence, but no hard facts, especially since we got some of our memories back, but not all, and the last set of memories doesn't gel exactly with what we saw at the beginning which was third person POV and not a memory at all. I figure we'll get some answers, hopefully sooner rather than later.

 

I completely understand headcanon though physical places can have spiritual properties. Look at Jerusalem... And Mount Olympus, Meggedo valley... Not that different than people who end up being seen as larger than life, really. 

 

Not inconsistent, Creative and adaptive thought!

[ModernAcademic]

I'm horribly disappointed we didn't get to go. Clearly we should have gone there.

 

DA4: protagonist is a dreamer who gets into the Fade and enters the Black City.

 

ME WANTS IT

[Malthier]

DA4: protagonist is a dreamer who gets into the Fade and enters the Black City.

 

ME WANTS IT

 

Tricky. Not everyone likes playing Mages

[Aren]

 

 

For such an epic game, we needed an ending that matched it.

I love your sarcasm, i'm more willingly to believe that the ending is perfectly in line with the rest of the game.

[Pierce Miller]

The chance to become a God is worth any price.

[Sifr]

I love your sarcasm, i'm more willingly to believe that the ending is perfectly in line with the rest of the game.

 

Actually that part was sincere?

 

(At least I think it was? I need to be less sarcastic, even I can't tell anymore? Unless you were being sarcastic and my detector is on the fritz and needs to go into the shop?)

 

Well, I used the term "epic" in terms of how the scope of the story was framed, it wasn't so much of an epic game in the sense of some of the execution admittedly, since the game had quite a few parts where it fell short?

 

Which to be honest, I guess makes you right that the ending was somewhat in keeping with that, since it definitely fell short of the mark in a huge way?