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[Elrigh]

Camera to close to Character gives some people motion sickness.

 

This was mentioned before by several people and still Bioware did nothing to help the affected players.

 

They even did the opposite - by killing of the Cheat Engine based Camera Hack which was the only possible way for me to play this game.

 

The hack showed that it would be really easy for Bioware to implement an option for zooming out a bit more, but obviously they are not interested in the problems some of us have.

 

Thanks Bioware for taking my money an shitting on me and the other poor gamer with motion sickness.

 

[katerinafm]

You can't zoom out?

[Elrigh]

I play on PC and because Mouse and Keyboard are a mess I used to play with the Xbox 360 Controller for PC.

 

Problem is you get this zoom with Mouse and Keyboard:

 

And this with a Controller:

 

Even the Mouse & Keyboard View is to near as soon as I get on a mount. 

 

With the Zoom Hack I was able to get this:

 

 

Controller and zoom out which allowed me to play for several hours.

 

 

I have the choice now to play with Keyboard and Mouse, which I tried. But for me its still so messed up that I was not able to win a single fight. And as soon as I get on a Mount and ride for a few seconds the motion sickness kicks in.

[robertmarilyn]

I wasn't able to play for about 3 weeks and just started playing again today and I was hit with motion sickness all over again. I play with M & KB..I forgot how sick the game can make me feel.     

[Dubya75]

So, basically you can't play any 3rd person games? 

[Elrigh]

So, basically you can't play any 3rd person games?

I can Play Asassins Creed without any Problems and - according to the Videos I saw recently I am pretty sure that I am able to Play the Witcher 3, don't get motion sickness by watching the gameplay Videos. I am also able to Play Guild Wars 2 but I know a Couple of Guys which get motion sickness from it.

I can Not Play Mass Effect, Not Even a Minute bevor I Start to feel dizzy, which is the First Sign of Motion Sickness for me.

[Dubya75]

I can Play Asassins Creed without any Problems and - according to the Videos I saw recently I am pretty sure that I am able to Play the Witcher 3, don't get motion sickness by watching the gameplay Videos. I am also able to Play Guild Wars 2 but I know a Couple of Guys which get motion sickness from it.

I can Not Play Mass Effect, Not Even a Minute bevor I Start to feel dizzy, which is the First Sign of Motion Sickness for me.

 

Well, that just sucks.

 

I am curious to know...have you identified what it is exactly about some games (like DAI) that makes you feel dizzy? Is it the head-bobbing, maybe? Or the orientation of your toon on the screen space?

[Elrigh]

Motion Sickness was first experienced by Pilots when Fliight Simulators where introduced for training, They called it Simulator Sickness.

 

It is related to travel sickness and it is caused by the brain which gets contrary signals from the senses.

 

The Eyes give the Brain the Signal "We are standing still", while the sense of balance tells the brain "We are moving" or vice versa.

 

Good examples are

Reading a book in a car - The Eyes are fixing on one point while the body notices the movement. That causes contrary signals resulting in Travel Sickness.

 

Another good example is Sea Sickness - another form - a boat or ship lies seldom absolutely even in the sea. The Waves keep it moving from one side to another (don´t know how its called in Englisch, in German its called "Rolling") and from Bow to Stern ("Stamping")

Those movements can be very subtile. While the Eyes tell the brain "Ship lies quiet in the sea" the sensitive sense of balance notices the movement and tells the Brain "We are moving".

 

Motion Sickness is the opposite, but works exactly the same way. You are sitting still while playing and the sense of balance tells the brain "We are sitting" but the eyes tell the Brain "Hey, we are moving"

 

Such things like "Head Bobbing" or "Movement shaking" (like in Mass Effect) makes it far worse.

 

The results are the same - dizzyness, nausea. I stopped playing in the past before it could get worse but I know some people which played until vomiting or collapsing on the floor, feeling like highly drunk.

It differs from Person to Person - the levels of what you can take or what makes you ill  and how fast is individual. 

Scientists started studys only a couple of years ago, when Motion Sickness in Games - Gaming Sickness - started to grow. According to these studys the brain starts to produce huge amount of stress related hormons - like in dangerous or life-threatening situations -  which the body can´t handle.

 

I first experienced motion sickness when I replaced my CRT to LCD Monitors almost 10 Years ago. Before that Day I was playing a lot of Quake, Doom usw. Without Problems. But with C&C Renegade I got my first Problems. Some People blame the growing realism of Video Games for Gaming Sickness and it seems that Resolution, Monitorfrequency and the Quality/Sharpness of Textures have effect. Also the FOV. Some People claim it gets worse below 80° an gets better when its increased.

 

Edit:

For DAI it was enough to move the Camera out a littlebit more, like a MMO-Style Camera as shown in one Sceenshot above. A simple thing, which Bioware was not able to build into the game yet. Thats why I am really angry about them.

Delivers an awesome game - not able or willing to let the Player zoom out a littlebit more.

[Elrigh]

Thank you so much for this, it makes sense now for me and explains why I get that way. As a stressed woman in real life, who suffers travel sickness, I now understand why I get ill when I play this game.

 

You´re Welcome.

 

There is at least one thing you can try, which I did not yet: Travel Sickness Medication.

Dramamin or Scopolamin seem to work for some Gamers. Promethazin seems to help pretty good, too:

 

http://www.webmd.com...omethazine oral

 

But I would not recommend to take something without proper advise from a doctor of your trust.

[JaneLunaC]

Motion blur is on by default in the game.

 

http://pcgamingwiki....ble_motion_blur

 

Did you try disabling it with a user.cfg?

Open Notepad and paste the line below

WorldRender.MotionBlurEnable 0

Save as user.cfg (not user.cfg.txt, just user.cfg)

and put in the folder with the game .exe

 

Disabling that helped me a lot, you can test to see if it's on by turning the camera rapidly, if it blurs then it's still on

 

 

 

Also this tool help you zoom in/out if you need it:

http://www.bfcinematictools.com/dai/

 

you need to put it in the folder with the game.exe (like the user.cfg) 

Load the game first and then after start the camera tool

if it says gui found in green letters then it's working

uses pageup and pagedown to zoom in or out

 

You can also use it to take nice pictures

delete key hides ui and insert key is flycam I think

[Elrigh]

Thanks for the Tips, I will test them out later when I am at my PC. 

 

I have downloaded and testet the cinematictools, but was not able to only increase the zoom. Instead the camera got fixed on the point, while the Chars moved around and away from it.

 

What I did not do was playing arount with the keyboard while testing it - I just tabbed out, changed settings and back into the game. Because I play with the controller I though the Keyboard Commands would not work while ingame. I test that out.

[Dreamer]

Well, that just sucks.

 

I am curious to know...have you identified what it is exactly about some games (like DAI) that makes you feel dizzy? Is it the head-bobbing, maybe? Or the orientation of your toon on the screen space?

 

It's part of a well-documented phenomena called "simulation sickness." It's related to low field-of-view, which induces the same sorts of symptoms some experience by, say, reading in a car or getting on a boat for the first time.

 

I suffer from it in FPS games if the FOV is anything less than ~90. It's awful.

 

The problem is that games developed for consoles don't require large FOV ratios since the player is typically > 10ft from the screen. But PC gamers sit much closer, on average 3ft from their screen. Yet for some reason (probably a mix of oversight and laziness), when games are ported to PC, the FOV is not increased to match the average distance from the screen.

 

Relief can be found by increasing FOV, disabling motion distortion effects like blur and depth of field, and reducing or disabling head-bobbing.

 

Extra Credits did a fantastic video on the issue:

 

[JaneLunaC]

Thanks for the Tips, I will test them out later when I am at my PC. 

 

I have downloaded and testet the cinematictools, but was not able to only increase the zoom. Instead the camera got fixed on the point, while the Chars moved around and away from it.

 

What I did not do was playing arount with the keyboard while testing it - I just tabbed out, changed settings and back into the game. Because I play with the controller I though the Keyboard Commands would not work while ingame. I test that out.

 

Yeah, if you press insert the camera gets messed up (detaches the cam for flycam), you just press insert again to turn it off

 

I'm not sure if it works with controller, maybe not

Though, I don't know of any other way to zoom in or out more than default, than what was already mentioned

 

Disabling the motion blur gave me less headaches though,

I get motion sickness with some games with it on, though not as bad a case I think, as yours is

 

Edit:

You know it's kinda weird but it's the opposite for me,

when I play games that have the zoom like inquisition's default closest zoom (keyboard), 

I get dizzy and have nausea/headaches

But zooming in closer (so that the feet are as close like on the controller version, so the legs are touching the bottom of the screen) actually helps me, I feel less disoriented

Maybe it's because I can focus better on my character? Or maybe it's cause the computer monitor is widescreen?

Kinda strange though

Also the zoom in and out when you unsheath/resheath weapons is really disorienting for me, even with or without fov changes

Sometimes I have to stop playing after a while cause the constant zoom in/out bothers me

Modifié par JaneLunaC, 07 mai 2015 - 01:53 .

[trevelyan_shep]

I couldn't play Mass Effect on my computer for a while because of my motion sickness. It wasn't until I changed the mouse sensitivity that I was able to play it without getting dizzy/headache. I'm grateful that I don't get sick playing this game, but that might be because I play on a console instead of my computer.

[Sartoz]

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Patch 4 or 5 added a zoom slider in the Graphics Option menu.  better than before but not as radical as the Cheat Engine.

[Endurium]

This is why I disable motion blur and other blurs (when at all possible), and set camera sensitivity lower so things don't spin so much. Also why I don't play games featuring a lot of fast action on the screen. Leads to headaches and sometimes nausea, and for me headaches can become migraines. Hasn't stopped me from being a lifetime gamer, just have to take some games in moderation.

[b10d1v]

That is yet another reason to remove the tactics system or make it optional -I also have difficulty when I zoom.

 

I would advise being very careful with 3d apps -You use crisis with 3d vision and you might believe in ghosts due to the latency in your video memory -scarey and with posted warnings.

 

What is causing it here is the timing of the video snap back frequency, that game confusion between zoom and the tactics system is near neutral feedback -  for example: you "feel" like you are falling because the visual distortion is similar. 

[berelinde]

Well, that just sucks.

 

I am curious to know...have you identified what it is exactly about some games (like DAI) that makes you feel dizzy? Is it the head-bobbing, maybe? Or the orientation of your toon on the screen space?

For me, it was always the panoramic camera sweeps and screen shaking, but the answer to this is going to be different for everybody who suffers from motion sickness/vertigo. That's one of the reasons a player-controlled camera was a good idea: it allows affected players to position the camera in a way that minimizes their symptoms. I'm still hoping that one day, we'll be able to get them to implement a "screen shake" toggle like the old 2D games used to have, but it hasn't happened yet.

 

This is obviously not going to be a solution for everyone, but I find that playing on a smaller monitor helps. Probably for the same reason that watching a helicopter ride from a movie theater seat is going to make me sick, but watching it on my television screen won't bother me at all.

[Octarin]

Reason why I can't play most RPGs on the PC anymore... and even on the xbox360 I completely disabled motion blur for Mass Effect. I know I get travel sick, not sea sick, I actually find the sea bobbing motion soothing, perhaps because there is a wide horizon, for some reason, focusing on the horizon always helps, even in a car. I get instantly nauseous when I try to read something in a moving vehicle, especially a car, but the train as well sometimes. What bothers me most is this discrepancy you described between the moment actual motion stops and my brain catching up to the fact that we've stopped. It seems I lag some milliseconds that can prove very... decorative in worst cases.