made a few edits in the OP added some suggestions from people who pointed out a few things i missed.
Good job with the post. Still need to try out the different builds. Had a an Avvar player in Threatening yesterday, and he absolutely destroyed everything. We were 1/3 his score. Smashing it up much like the Reaver can do.
I have a couple questions about chilled defense:
How close to a chilled/frozen enemy do you have to be, and how long does it last after that enemy dies? Does the cold effect have to be on the enemy for a certain length of time before chilled defense kicks in? I played for a couple hours last night, and I don't think I ever saw its icon in the skill bar. Is that a glitch, or did I really never activate it for long enough to notice despite using Hakkon's Charge and (cold-based) Korth's Might constantly.
Edit: Ok, chilled defense is definitely showing up, but only for 0.5s to 1s at a time, which seems very minimal. Does using chilling tremor trigger it more reliably?
I have a couple questions about chilled defense:
How close to a chilled/frozen enemy do you have to be, and how long does it last after that enemy dies? Does the cold effect have to be on the enemy for a certain length of time before chilled defense kicks in? I played for a couple hours last night, and I don't think I ever saw its icon in the skill bar. Is that a glitch, or did I really never activate it for long enough to notice despite using Hakkon's Charge and (cold-based) Korth's Might constantly.
Edit: Ok, chilled defense is definitely showing up, but only for 0.5s to 1s at a time, which seems very minimal. Does using chilling tremor trigger it more reliably?
honestly chilled defense hardly seems to work and most of the time you won't even notice it. which sucks because this class needs every bit of defense it can get. the only reason i say go for it is because once you are passed lv17-18 you have a few points you can spend on some passives of your choice. and chilled defense helps out your defense even if only just a tiny bit.
I have a couple questions about chilled defense:
CD is not reliable except when being hit by a DD or the Frost Dragon. You being chilled counts towards activating the Ice Armor. hahah.
Good job with the post. Still need to try out the different builds. Had a an Avvar player in Threatening yesterday, and he absolutely destroyed everything. We were 1/3 his score. Smashing it up much like the Reaver can do.
The Avvar is pretty good, and crazy fun. I dare say he might be my favorite out of the three characters.
My build is Lady's Wrath, Kothar's, Chilling and Crushing. Ability spam non-stop. I use the Maul of the Dragon, which can be considered sub-optimal since it is not AOE like the Sulevin, but that +50 base damage is just too sweet and I don't use much-attack anyway.
He isn't very survivable though, unfortunately nowhere like the Katari when it comes to being a tank.
He definitely feels like katari pre patch, beast at lower levels, but squishy as hell in perilous...The Avvar is pretty good, and crazy fun. I dare say he might be my favorite out of the three characters.
My build is Lady's Wrath, Kothar's, Chilling and Crushing. Ability spam non-stop. I use the Maul of the Dragon, which can be considered sub-optimal since it is not AOE like the Sulevin, but that +50 base damage is just too sweet and I don't use much-attack anyway.
He isn't very survivable though, unfortunately nowhere like the Katari when it comes to being a tank.
I find myself very frustrated playing the Avvar. I'm with 50% guard and 100% health in like 3 arrow shots. It's driving me insane b/c this guy is a hulking beast!
And than he brought avvar into perilous....
True enough. I am thinking the Avvar will get some tweaks over time here. He is a decent char, but does need some tweaking to be Perilous ready.
BreakJohn, I love this setup. Perilous was a little dicey at times from 15 to 18, but then it was just too much fun. At 20 now and consistently top leaderboards with it. Drew the dragon maul the match after I drew the avaar. Got a dragon greatsword when I dinged 20 and love it even more. Played around with my accessories a bit and settled on my enhanced life drain x2, superb belt of health, and 10% cooldown amulet. With the tier 3 armor and higher end arms and legs it just feels right. Play carefully in the castle and it's awesome, use the choke rooms and don't go bonkers up the middle and you will rack up an enormous amount of kills and combos and rarely lose guard. I went with hakkons charge over the other choice for the guard as well.
awesome setup and great insight on the character, as drasca said this class is amazing at ambush tactics. right now its all about defense through overwhelming offense and tactical play.
made a few edits and added a little clip looping abilities on a place like ferelden castle.
Okay here's another question:
Does a frost rune in my sword help me activate child defense on my Avvar?
Okay here's another question:
Does a frost rune in my sword help me activate child defense on my Avvar?
i guess its possible if you are able to chill an enemy with auto attacks. however that doesn't seem so reliable so don't let it dictate what rune you want to use.
He definitely feels like katari pre patch, beast at lower levels, but squishy as hell in perilous...
I've been using him quite a bit, currently working on my eleventh Avvar promotion. Playing only Perilous. I have 106 Constituion and he feels squishy as hell still. Gladly I can kill most things before they hit me, but once they hit me, things might get pretty dire. I can't imagine how it is for players without many promotions, but I guess Perilous is barely viable, if at all.
I've been using him quite a bit, currently working on my eleventh Avvar promotion. Playing only Perilous. I have 106 Constituion and he feels squishy as hell still. Gladly I can kill most things before they hit me, but once they hit me, things might get pretty dire. I can't imagine how it is for players without many promotions, but I guess Perilous is barely viable, if at all.
What's your stats spread then? Mine's pretty balanced now, but barely any more constitution than you. I can solo just about everything except the dragon itself. I'd need to change builds and tactics to handle the dragon.
What's your stats spread then? Mine's pretty balanced now, but barely any more constitution than you. I can solo just about everything except the dragon itself. I'd need to change builds and tactics to handle the dragon.
I have way more Willpower than other stats, 228. I mostly rely on killing fast rather than doing any tanking. I wish I had more Constitution, but never been a big fan of any Warrior other than the Katari. Now hopefully the Avvar will help get me some more.
I have way more Willpower than other stats, 228. I mostly rely on killing fast rather than doing any tanking. I wish I had more Constitution, but never been a big fan of any Warrior other than the Katari. Now hopefully the Avvar will help get me some more.
Sub 100 cunning then? I just got over 100 cunning recently and it is in the 100's con range currently. I'm at +104, +124 and +92, so it is fairly balanced. Arrows hurt, but not nearly as much as they used to, and I get criticals regularly, so I get Furious Blows a lot on my Avvar.
I'm really loving both Avvar and Duelist a lot. Virtuoso is of less use to me because I can't kill with it (so far). With my gear + stats, I'm better off in the DPS role.
Sub 100 cunning then? I just got over 100 cunning recently and it is in the 100's con range currently. I'm at +104, +124 and +92, so it is fairly balanced. Arrows hurt, but not nearly as much as they used to, and I get criticals regularly, so I get Furious Blows a lot on my Avvar.
I'm really loving both Avvar and Duelist a lot. Virtuoso is of less use to me because I can't kill with it (so far). With my gear + stats, I'm better off in the DPS role.
I am loving the Avvar, my favorite out of the three new ones. I am at 108 Cunning, getting crits most of the time. I farmed more Cunning in the past, but I decide to slow it down since it will give me virtually no benefit past 160, and once I get Isabela's banner I should be in the high 130's or 140. Then I will wait for new Rogues, provided there are more DLCs coming.
The Virtuoso has been pretty ok for me, I can do 2k basic attacks using it in between songs, with the passive Killer Set. I haven't even tried Cold Beats yet, which many players are saying is awesome. But still I prefer the classic mages gameplay over the Virtuoso.
made a few edits to accommodate the recent buffs to the avvar with this build. also working on a new build centering on damage resistance now that the ice elemental charge gives a decent amount of damage resistance. will post my findings soon.
Certain haters like to dismiss my opinion and builds for having high stats and gear but... pffft. It works.
Not one of the haters and l respect for all the hours you have put into getting all that gear and promotions, but you can't deny that promotion and gear is about 90% of the game. I saw your Templar video you put up and noticed that perilous enemies were hitting you for less damage then threathening enemies hit mine for. I saw you picking up loot from an urn with 4 perilous enemies hitting you in the back, pretty nonchelant like. I get taken down by 3-4 hits from perilous enemies.
This makes it hard to take your (what I am certain is a very skilled and well thought out) suggestions and apply them for ourselves. I like to read what you say, but take them as a very generic guideline because the game you play is in no way the same game that I play (though I am working on promotions, so hopefully I'll get a bit closer eventually).
It would be nice with a mode where you disable all bonuses from promotes, because then you could show it without your "handicap" bonus (not saying you need one, but that would show it if you get what I'm trying to say =p).
Just an incredibly fun class to play with abilities that play off each other perhaps better than any other class. As others have said perilous can be a problem at times. I said in another thread, the Avvar more than most classes can be wheeling along beatifically with nary a scratch then all of a sudden....dead. I could see him getting a wee buff defense wise down the road perhaps. Super fun to play though.
I do have a good maul, but not for the Avvar. It's 263 DPS and gives me +20% damage but i take 3x more damage (+200%). So without my guard I get mowed down very easily.
According to Luke's recent balance post, that maul should offer you +50% damage dealt and +50% damage received. Tooltip will not accurately reflect that change yet. I have that same weapon and even +50% damage received feels a bit too much for the Avvar right now for me to consider using it.
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