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[Drasca]

perilous enemies were hitting you for less damage then threathening enemies hit mine for. I saw you picking up loot from an urn with 4 perilous enemies hitting you in the back, pretty nonchelant like.

 

Wouldn't you be just as non-chalant?

 

 

you can't deny that promotion and gear is about 90% of the game

 

I absolutely will. They won't save you from being an idiot, and won't let you fight in the most efficient way possible. You've seen the Templar Dragon fight video, so if you've watched it completely, did you see how close to death I came? If I didn't block or dodge at just the right times, I would've been dragon-chow. I was out of pots.

 

While Gear and Promotes are necessary for solo perilous, how often do you really solo perilous? That's less than 0.003% of the game for me.

 

There's many elements to the game. I would say the biggest is lag (rubberbanding, narnia, and disconnected the biggest enemies of them all), followed by team skill, individual skill, composition, individual builds, gear, then promotes. The exact order in what is more important is debate-able, but they all matter a lot. G&P is only a part of that, and far less than say team skill in managing aggro. If you don't control how the enemy comes to you, you're digging your own grave.

 

If you have a terrible pug that never coordinates, and you never try to make friends or communicate, then yes you lose out big parts of the game. You need to make friends and communicate with them to do better. It is coop multiplayer, not solo everything and maybe someone else is around.

 

 

because the game you play is in no way the same game that I play

 

No one lives the same life, no one plays the same game. That's just a fact of life. That's dem breaks. You always have to tailor what you see to what you can do. The problem is when you cannot see how to improve and dismiss it there's better skill out there all together (and don't even try).

 

 

because then you could show it without your  "handicap" bonus

 

With different gear/promotes I'd probably just demonstrate on threatening. You already stated that's the damage you'd take on threatening, so why would I need to drop down? It is a skill/build demo, the solo part is superfluous, and people are upset I can do what I do because they're so fixated on being jealous they won't even try. People would still find excuses, waah gear, waah, time spent in game, waaah, better computer. Laaaame. If I can do this in a solo environment, you can do so in a team environment.

 

PS: I played this Avvar in Beta without gear and promotes. Lucked out with Maul of the Dragon toward the end. He dominated threatening FC and below . Perilous FC solo was not easy, though Perilous old map solos were do-able.

[Hellsteeth30]

Lady's Wrath = OP

Ah ah ah, "working as intended".

Not having that nasty nerf demon ruining my fun.

[DrKilledbyDeath]

 people are upset I can do what I do because they're so fixated on being jealous they won't even try

 

I'm sorry Drasca, but if you think people respond to you the way they do because they are "jealous" you are delusional. I'm starting to feel bad for you

[AwesomeBabyLion]

@Drasca - The difference is that you only get close to death when you do "mistakes" while playing. I die even when I do everything right when soloing. But as you say, the game isn't really about soloing perilous. I'll cave though and be willing to say that gear and promotions are 70% of the game (not 90%).

 

Don't get me wrong Drasca, I think you are skilled and know what you are talking about - but as I said - the game you play is different from the game someone with low gear and no promotions play. Problem is that your playing can't accurately reflect how it is going to play that character and build for someone like, say me. But it's a good guideline to what works I bet. I have to say, it would be very fun to see you play without promotion bonuses and epic gear to see how you handle the increased difficulty so I could see how I could do it.

 

Thanks for correcting me on non-chalant. I'm from Norway and english is not my main language C= And if I had your gear and promotion stats and barely got hurt by perilous creatures hitting me, then yes - I would totally be non-chalant and just grin from ear to ear I think XD Unfortunately, if I try to pick something up while getting hit in perilous I die in less then 2 seconds =p

 

@DrKilledbyDeath - I am totally jealous of his awesome gear and epic amount of promotes =D Would love to be just half way there myself.I respect the amount of time he has put into the game and naturally from that amount of time comes a lot of knowledge.

 

Would so badly wish for a ring of supreme heal on kill - I'm probably 400+ chest inn in this game and I still have hardly anything good (except 9 longbow of the griffons [so bitter]). With my luck (or lack there off) I am kinda stuck to watching what the game looks like through the videos of other with more luck =3

[DrakeHasNoFlow]

@Drasca - The difference is that you only get close to death when you do "mistakes" while playing. I die even when I do everything right when soloing. But as you say, the game isn't really about soloing perilous. I'll cave though and be willing to say that gear and promotions are 70% of the game (not 90%).
 
Don't get me wrong Drasca, I think you are skilled and know what you are talking about - but as I said - the game you play is different from the game someone with low gear and no promotions play. Problem is that your playing can't accurately reflect how it is going to play that character and build for someone like, say me. But it's a good guideline to what works I bet. I have to say, it would be very fun to see you play without promotion bonuses and epic gear to see how you handle the increased difficulty so I could see how I could do it.
 
Thanks for correcting me on non-chalant. I'm from Norway and english is not my main language C= And if I had your gear and promotion stats and barely got hurt by perilous creatures hitting me, then yes - I would totally be non-chalant and just grin from ear to ear I think XD Unfortunately, if I try to pick something up while getting hit in perilous I die in less then 2 seconds =p
 
@DrKilledbyDeath - I am totally jealous of his awesome gear and epic amount of promotes =D Would love to be just half way there myself.I respect the amount of time he has put into the game and naturally from that amount of time comes a lot of knowledge.
 
Would so badly wish for a ring of supreme heal on kill - I'm probably 400+ chest inn in this game and I still have hardly anything good (except 9 longbow of the griffons [so bitter]). With my luck (or lack there off) I am kinda stuck to watching what the game looks like through the videos of other with more luck =3

With the new weapon schematics you can craft 10+ to 20+ hok....

[AwesomeBabyLion]

With the new weapon schematics you can craft 10+ to 20+ hok....

 

Not for daggers. Nothing for daggers I am afraid =C

 

And that also depends on you having the healing cloth which seems to be mega rare. I have 140 tier 3 rare leather, 150 tier 3 common cloth of non-healing properties, but only 3 tier 3 healing cloth, 6 tier 2 healing cloth and 8 tier 1 healing cloth =|

 

These should really be re-labeled ULTRA MEGA SUPER GHOST RARE instead of "common" =)

[Drasca]

 the game you play is different from the game someone with low gear and no promotions play.

 

No, it is the same game. Have you forgotten the part where I've stated I've played without promotes and gear in Beta as well? Not a whole lot of Beta MP players then, but Wavebend & RocktheUniverse were among them, and we conquered Perilous together when no one else was doing it. Common gear, no promotes, certainly no HoK, but we were first to conquer the Perilous Dragon and actually get Dragon loot. I was first to get Maul of the Dragon (outside of devs that made it)

 

At Zero gear/ Promotes, your best overall strategy is to play Perilous FC Dragons be carried by people with barrier, by being one of the classes with barrier and/or Persistent CC (keeper/virtuoso/elementalist), and Barrier/CC'ing everything until you have a level 15+ common staff. Then you can move onto attack builds if you like (or stay on barrier / CC builds). It is absolutely ridiculous how bad of players you can carry as a support Zither with barrier.

 

If you play with a decent group, you'll have weapons within a week. All the weapons, maybe not, but at least one. So what if you have 40 dragon kills and no weapon, you'll get them sooner or later (it is highly unlikely it'll be 40 without a drop, more likely you'll have 2-5 within 40 dragon kills)

 

Did I state anywhere here that it is a solo game? Nope. You share the effort, share the exp, share the gold gains, and each receive item drops. Promote at 20, repeat.

 

Most likely you have mid-tier items and promotes, but you haven't enacted final tier strategy that players like SpaceVegan, myself, and many others do.

 

I don't know what platform you play. If you're on PC, you're welcome to add me. There's a LFG forum full of threads as well.

 

Seriously, if you don't have gear, and you are too afraid to make friends on perilous, you don't belong there. You can get by with one or the other. You don't need gear to play a barrier casting cast. Gear + Promotes come with time, and they come MUCH faster when you learn to play, follow / use good builds, and make friends you coordinate with.

 

 

you only get close to death when you do "mistakes" while playing.

 

So quit playing sloppy while you're fragile. I can afford mistakes obviously, and you should adjust your behaviour and strategy to your limited defenses. Use cover more, and depend on barrier outside of cover (or a little knight music in the case of Virtuoso going without barrier).

 

Suck it up, and play better. Don't complain someone else has it better, because it doesn't help you. Farm threatening Fereldan castle (no dragon) for XP & promotes if you like. That's better exp than old maps on perilous.

 

I hope you do get a HoK ring, but in the meantime, every Dragon Unique has HoK, and you should be farming Perilous Dragons. If I can do it with zero promotes, common gear, and extremely buggy maps on Beta (that've since been fixed), you have no excuses on doing it too. So what if you cannot farm Dragons on every class equally yet, because you don't have weapons for it. You'll get it within a reasonable amount of time, because the drop rate is amazingly good. You wouldn't believe what I would've done for this kind of drop rate before Dragons. I literally gave up on buying large chests multiple months because the drop rate was so utterly terrible from large chests (and still is, really, which is why I still have over a million gold despite spending quite a bit).

[AwesomeBabyLion]

@Drasca - dude, I don't think you read my post. I agreed with most of the stuff you said. I acknowledged like you said that the game is not ment to be a solo experience (the multiplayer anyway), and I said it would be awesome seeing you play without the promotions (aka see you play the beta where you have nothing, because that is what I think I could really learn from).

 

My statement about different game is in reference to your main account when you play with all your promotes and good gear. I can't follow those videos as an advance because I would get killed by 1/10 of what you get hit with. Which is why I said it be lovely seeing one video (from the beta if neccessary) of you playing without the promotes, because that would represent how I should play a lot better.

 

I am not saying I can't do perilous. I have done it a few times. I have also done the dragon 13 times now (without any drops mind you). And I don't play sloppy namely because I would die from playing the way you do (on your main account mind you). Again, I was just alluding to the fact that I can't learn from your main account because what you are doing there would get me killed- it's why I'd be interested in seeing a video of you playing without all the bonuses.

 

I have learned that promotes is the way to go. I used to not like the concept, but this last week I've landed myself 10 promotes and am now working on getting more (when time allows). I've made great friends on perilous and I am having fun. I am not sure why you seem so offended - I never ment to offend you in anyway by what I wrote. I felt more like I was stating facts from my point of view =| To be perfectly clear - I'm not complaining that you have it better - I know why you have it better and that is what I am working towards.

 

I play on xbox one, otherwise it be fun getting to play with you. Seeing you fell perilous creatures with just two or three basic attacks with a templar was just hilarious.

 

I also hop ethat I get a HoK ring =D My Assassin really wants some sort of HoK for sure =p

 

And completely agree with you on the chests. I have 9 longbow of the griffons, but went a very long time without a single handed weapon over level 17. Wish there was trade because I would give my friend a longbow of the griffon in a heartbeat (since his highest bow was level 16 for a insanely long time). Buying chests feels honestly pointless to me (and I am probably no where near opening as many as you have), but I finally (after a very long time of being stubborn) realize that promotions are a sure way of getting progression. And again, would have really liked seeing you do peirlous dragon without promotions and common gear. That is wicked skills. In my current state, I have no belief in being able to pull that off myself. Kudos on managing that.

[Drasca]

I can't follow those videos as an advance because I would get killed by 1/10 of what you get hit with.

 

These videos aren't a guide on how to play exactly like I do, they're merely a demonstration that you can play differently (they even say demonstration in the title!), and how to use your skills. However, you can learn from ithem. You need to get rid of the 'I can't' mindset, and pay attention to everything else going on. Your capacity to learn is limited by perception and imagination (and possibly availability of guidance too).

 

On Templar, if you block with enough stamina, you negate all damage. You watch the Templar dragon fight, and you'll see the dragon fight attack pattern that you can use to block with. You can observe the tells she does in order to block her major attacks, and see when she's vulnerable to counter-attack.

 

On the both Zither & Avvar video, if you watch you'll see my speed both toward and away from enemies, outside their melee range, and strafe left and right to avoid arrow damage, doing damage exactly as I need to and taking cover as I need to. If you used the chokepoint tactics I did in the Avvar video on zone 4, you can clear *everything* safely that way. Even if you only learn how to avoid one arrow more than before, that's one less arrow that's potentially lethal.

 

 

 

My Assassin really wants some sort of HoK for sure =p

 

You actually don't want HoK on Assassins. You want to get Critical Damage bonus x2, or Twin fangs + Critical Damage bonus, or +Attack Rings if you don't have either. You don't kill enough enemies for HoK to be worth it. You'll want to use Fallback plan to heal your entire health bar, rather than rely on killing one enemy at a time. HoK is really best when killing 3+ enemies at once.

 

Your best bet is in maximizing your damage, and guarantee'ing OHKO, because what kills you is often when enemies survive your first attack.

 

I have a Prince of Persia build that demonstrates that:
http://forum.bioware...rite-mp-builds/

 

 

Problem is that your playing can't accurately reflect how it is going to play that character and build for someone like, say me

 

It is literally impossible to replicate everyone's gear and promote status, especially as it changes as you play. There are only generalities and overall strategy that can be made, and tactics to be shared.

I'm annoyed by people saying this, because it's been said from almost day one. . . and yet we have more people with more promotes & gear than ever. There is never 'like you', there is only you. Share exactly what you have, and I can help guide you. State effectively that "what you present is useless to me", is a completely pointless statement. Unfortunately much more impolite people than you have repeated that to no useful end, because really... its their fault for lacking imagination.

 

There's a lot of information in the videos if you are observant, but certain people would rather attack me for their own ignorance instead of actually learning anything and ask questions to further that learning.

 

If you need help and want to know exactly how to play at your specific gear and promote level, I'm willing to help. Claiming, 'you can't help me' like others have in the past however, is not useful.

 

These videos came out of a need to demonstrate there's an alternative path available. That's the first step, showing there's a different successful way possible. Consolidation is the next. Of course with anything signifigant, there's always going to be people denying in spite of evidence to the contrary, because it offends their personal beliefs (usually the belief that if they can't do it, no one can, and they'll attack anyone who says otherwise).

[AwesomeBabyLion]

@ Drasca - oh no, I have no doubt that you can help me. That was not what I was trying to say at all. I think there is a lot I can learn from you (and now that you gave your permission, I am so going to bug you for it too MUAHAHAHAHA!) and I intend to do just that. I'm just a slow learner and not always observant enough, though learning to avoid one extra arrow could mean life or death =D

[Drasca]

I'm just a slow learner and not always observant enough, though learning to avoid one extra arrow could mean life or death =D

 

You think you're slow? Guess how many promotes it took me to learn Katari or Templar, and guess how many it'll take you to learn what I share. I'm willing to bet it'll be 10x less.