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[thats1evildude]

Did anyone post the Sten image yet?

[dragonflight288]

I somehow could only bring myself enough to care about this particular topic enough to post that I don't care about this particular topic, rather than simply leave it be. 

[Ariella]

Which is strange, considering that Zevran was a LI option in the first game and if unromanced, could be slept with in DA2?

 

(And even if he was romanced, but that was actually due to a bug, so it's not fair to count it?)

 

Same thing with Isabela. who was an optional fling for the Warden in Origins, only to become a full LI for Hawke in DA2?

 

And while it goes nowhere, there can be a mutual attraction between Cullen and the female Mage Warden in Origins, despite being a full LI for the Inquisitor? The fact that Cullen will mention her in all three games shows that he still remains a tad wistful about her, even a decade after?

 

Kinda makes it hard to accept Bioware saying they'd never allow you to romance someone who was a (pseudo) LI from a previous game, when they already have brought back several people who had some romantic involvement with a previous protagonist, including two people you might have slept with (or had the option to) as the Warden?

 

I think it's more than just sleeping with the person, it's actually having a relationship, attitude on sex not withstanding.

 

As for Cullen, he's pretty much the poster child for the old saw about never forgetting your first love/crush. And I wouldn't call Cullen's infatuation "romantic involvement" considering if you call him on it in the prologue he literally runs from the Female Mage Warden. And if you talk to him in Inquisition about it, he's pretty clear he wouldn't have violated the Order's rules on that sort of thing. Which makes sense considering how green his character was in that origin. He was so new he squeaked. But that's not a relationship. Neither is empty sex, which is what Isabella is in DAO. Also her attitude toward sex is pretty open, but sex doesn't equal love.

[Jaison1986]

why would any one fall in love with a person that already in love with another person 
leliana love the warden , so  starting a romance with her will only  hurt you and her .  if you love her let her love who she want to love 

 

And... for those that didn't romanced her in Origins?

[AresKeith]

And... for those that didn't romanced her in Origins?

 

Accept the fact that she doesn't want to romance you

[Qun00]

Leliana isn't the naive religious girl you met in DAO, so it definitely would be worth it.

And more interesting.

[Sifr]

I think it's more than just sleeping with the person, it's actually having a relationship, attitude on sex not withstanding.

 

As for Cullen, he's pretty much the poster child for the old saw about never forgetting your first love/crush. And I wouldn't call Cullen's infatuation "romantic involvement" considering if you call him on it in the prologue he literally runs from the Female Mage Warden. And if you talk to him in Inquisition about it, he's pretty clear he wouldn't have violated the Order's rules on that sort of thing. Which makes sense considering how green his character was in that origin. He was so new he squeaked. But that's not a relationship. Neither is empty sex, which is what Isabella is in DAO. Also her attitude toward sex is pretty open, but sex doesn't equal love.

 

Oh definitely, sex doesn't equal love, but they've still given us some recurring romantic partners (even if it was just a fling), so it's a little disingenuous for them to say that it's a total blanket-ban?

 

I don't think anyone's saying we should retread the same ground as before and do the exact same romance, but the thing is, look at the changes that people like Cullen, Leliana and Morrigan have undergone in just ten years, or the characters in DA2 evolve and grow in just the span of seven years? Can we really even say that the romances would go beat for beat like before, or would they have changed in the same manner that those characters have grown and changed as well?

 

The self-centred Isabela from the start of DA2 would never have even let herself fall in love with Hawke or wanted to come back during the Qunari crisis? The Morrigan we met in the Korcari Wilds who believed love is a weakness, would never have let herself fall for the Warden the way she did over the course of Orgins, nor been willing to sacrifice herself and let her mother possess her, if it meant sparing her son from Flemeth?

 

There's something to be said that perhaps the romance might even actually surpass the previous potential one, due to the amount of depth and evolution that those characters have undergone? Romancing Inquisition's Leliana would not be the sickening sweetheart romance of Origins, this Leliana is a lot more morally ambiguous and complex, so it'd be far more interesting to figure out who the woman behind the mask of "Sister Nightingale" actually is?

[Heidirs]

I think a valid question would be is Inquisition Leliana even interested in a romance? She's going through some crazy stuff. This is a very taxing time for her, emotionally and mentally. You might be interested as a player, but that could be the last thing on her mind.

 

I'm all for some rejection dialogue. If you persist in your flirting, Leliana beats the crap out of you.

[dixophilia]

The only Leliana related DLC I want is 'Hug Leliana.'

In fact, I want a DLC that lets me just go on a hugging frenzy with all companions and advisors, thanks.

[Ariella]

The blanket ban makes sense in terms of investment of resources. Yes, Leliana and Morrigan, who were legitimate romances (means more than three or four minutes of dialogue or a sex scene), have changed but consider the issues:

 

Morrigan has more plot craziness swirling around her than any character other than the PC should have. If one were to do a romance they'd have to factor in a lot of variables that would have an effect on her character: Morrigan did the DA but did not romance the Warden, Morrigan romanced the Warden, but did not do the DA, Morrigan did not do the DA or was romanced. All these variables would play into a current relationship. So between dealing with that or investing resources in new characters they chose the latter. 

 

Leliana is in a position where she's trying to find herself after the wake of the Conclave. She's got to be harboring some resentment for the Inquisitor due to the fact that he/she survived and Justina did not. Even after finding the box, Leliana softened is realizing she has to define herself by who SHE is, not by titles or associations. Hardened, she doesn't WANT those kind of connections (think about to what Varric says about why she's a better spymaster).

 

There's also avoiding the rage tears. Revisiting any of these romances with another PC is going to engender cries of "how dare you ruin my (fill in the blank)!" It's just all around easier to invest those finite resources in new characters.

[Shadow Fox]

It's cheating if an open relationship was never discussed, and it's implicitly denied if Hawke removes the option with Zevran.

Except she makes it pretty clear in dialogue that she doesn't want to be tied down to one person repeatedly and after the first romance scene bluntly tells Hawke that she isn't that kind of girl if s/he brings love up.

[Todrazok]

*sigh* Not this again...

[trevelyan_shep]

Yeah, let's start an all out war with the players who had their Warden romance her. Sounds like a brilliant ****** idea.

This is so dumb.

[BobZilla84]

You do realise that Isabela allows Hawke to sleep with other people too, right? She's entirely cool with you having a fling with Tallis in MotA, she just prefers to be asked for permission beforehand?

It's pretty evident from DA2 that Isabela was sleeping with other people throughout most of the romance, Hawke is aware of this fact and accepts it without judgement. After all, it takes her until the very end of Act 3 before she finally realises that she's actually developed genuine feelings for Hawke, that's not a sign that she considered their relationship to be exclusive by any degree?

Well a Hawke that Rivalmanced Isabela gets scenes were Isabela lashs out at Tallis you know that Hawke likes Rogues Rivaini Rogues and she definitely didnt let my Hawke sleep with Tallis.So its safe to assume that Friendship=Open Relationship & Rivalry=Normal Relationship.

And judging how DAI has portrayed the pairing its apparent that B-Ware has decided to focus Isabelas Character on her lack of Morales and being the stereotypical Pirate Wench"Drink & Bed everyone" she doesnt have any real character development outside that.

[Boost32]

Well a Hawke that Rivalmanced Isabela gets scenes were Isabela lashs out at Tallis you know that Hawke likes Rogues Rivaini Rogues and she definitely didnt let my Hawke sleep with Tallis.So its safe to assume that Friendship=Open Relationship & Rivalry=Normal Relationship.
And judging how DAI has portrayed the pairing its apparent that B-Ware has decided to focus Isabelas Character on her lack of Morales and being the stereotypical Pirate Wench"Drink & Bed everyone" she doesnt have any real character development outside that.

The rivain rogue is a line for femHawke, maleHawke get another.
And rival or friend doesn't matter, she will always say she is ok to Tallis sleeping with Hawke if she ask her first.

People really need to let go of their headcanon with a monogamous Isabela.

[banhmi87]

Yeah, let's start an all out war with the players who had their Warden romance her. Sounds like a brilliant ****** idea.

This is so dumb.

 

Let's get pissed that there are others who don't ship Warden and Leliana.

 

I woudn't mind seeing Inquisitor and Leliana. If people don't want it, then don't play it if that option is prompted in game.

[AresKeith]

Let's get pissed that there are others who don't ship Warden and Leliana.

 

I woudn't mind seeing Inquisitor and Leliana. If people don't want it, then don't play it if that option is prompted in game.

 

Or people can just accept that she isn't an option and Bioware has already said countless times no to it 

[Excella Gionne]

No. She's in love with my Dwarf warden, and should stay that way. Also, the DLC would be useless for those who had Leliana romance their alive warden.

[Xilizhra]

Not that we know of, but does that dismiss the unwillingness of her to engage in a multi-partner event? It's really hard to say what cards are off the table when it comes to her? Is a threesome fine, but casual sex suddenly pushing it way too far for her? We cannot presume to know?

 

While not about her own activities, I'd like to point out that if you become the King of Ferelden, she's fine being your mistress, despite it being obvious that you'll be having sex with Anora? Are we to believe that she's willing to be the bit of the side of an unfaithful man, yet she won't have the occasional booty call?

 

I'm not saying that Leliana is one to sleep around, but I think we should stop putting her on such a pedestal or thinking she's practically a nun (even though she was amusingly training to be one) when it comes to what she might get up to in her own sex life?

 

Considering how any relationship she has could be used against her or Justinia, I can see two possibilities; Either she abstained from any kind of dalliances for the past decade, or she was forced to only have quick meaningless flings, so to avoid any attachments whatsoever?

That's not the point. The point is that it would be out of character (and utterly spiteful as a developer move) to have her sleep with the Inquisitor without giving any chance to set relationship parameters beforehand.

 

 

Except she makes it pretty clear in dialogue that she doesn't want to be tied down to one person repeatedly and after the first romance scene bluntly tells Hawke that she isn't that kind of girl if s/he brings love up.

That's before she admits to being in love with Hawke.

 

 

You do realise that Isabela allows Hawke to sleep with other people too, right? She's entirely cool with you having a fling with Tallis in MotA, she just prefers to be asked for permission beforehand?

 

It's pretty evident from DA2 that Isabela was sleeping with other people throughout most of the romance, Hawke is aware of this fact and accepts it without judgement. After all, it takes her until the very end of Act 3 before she finally realises that she's actually developed genuine feelings for Hawke, that's not a sign that she considered their relationship to be exclusive by any degree?

It's absolutely not a sign of that, because their relationship tenor changes completely after the end of Act 3.

[Mihura]

That's not the point. The point is that it would be out of character (and utterly spiteful as a developer move) to have her sleep with the Inquisitor without giving any chance to set relationship parameters beforehand.

 

 

That's before she admits to being in love with Hawke.

 

 

It's absolutely not a sign of that, because their relationship tenor changes completely after the end of Act 3.

 

All true but we are talking about Isabela here, I would go even one more step ahead and say that sometimes she comes off as aromatic. At least most of her dialogues seem to point to a certain romantic and sexual separation, she can indeed love Hawke but that does not mean she will stop having sex with ascetically pleasing people or at least flirting a lot. 

This is why I love her character, Isabela romance does not alter her personality much, she is still gonna to flirt even if romanced. 

[Shadow Fox]

That's not the point. The point is that it would be out of character (and utterly spiteful as a developer move) to have her sleep with the Inquisitor without giving any chance to set relationship parameters beforehand.

 

 

That's before she admits to being in love with Hawke.

 

 

It's absolutely not a sign of that, because their relationship tenor changes completely after the end of Act 3.

And if Hawke stays with her even after she's told you she wants an open relationship that means either:

 

S/he accepts an open relationship with Isabella.

 

S/he can't blame anyone but themselves for their misery for choosing to stay with her after she made it clear she doesn't want a monogamous relationship.

 

Evidently Bioware assumed the former.

 

No it doesn't the closest is a rivalmanced Isabella saying she'll try to "change for you" which could refer to a number of things.

[Xilizhra]

And if Hawke stays with her even after she's told you she wants an open relationship that means either:

 

S/he accepts an open relationship with Isabella.

 

S/he can't blame anyone but themselves for their misery for choosing to stay with her after she made it clear she doesn't want a monogamous relationship.

 

Evidently Bioware assumed the former.

 

No it doesn't the closest is a rivalmanced Isabella saying she'll try to "change for you" which could refer to a number of things.

She doesn't say it after their relationship has actually been defined.

[TheJediSaint]

Or people can just accept that she isn't an option and Bioware has already said countless times no to it 

 

They just need to...

 

 

Let it go.

[WardenHero]

Nope. No can do. I understand how you're feeling OP. Who can resist that shady, nug-lovin' bard?

Leliana's got what Bioware likes to call it as "baggage". Plotholes can happen if they were to do this. Too many variables. Too many resources. Don't forget about the Warden too if he/she romanced her. Plus, having Leliana as a love interest in DAI just doesn't fit. She's gone up into the world now. A spymaster of a powerful organization and depending on players' choice, a Divine. She ain't got time trying to be sweet to the Inquisitor or to anybody else for that matter.

[Killdren88]

Every person in the game doesn't need to be romanced. Bioware gave players 8 Romances. Stop being greedy. Bad enough that romance gets that sort of attention anyway. What's next do people want to romance the random NPC guard with no name that stands by the Sky hold entrance?