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[Lavans6879]

I really enjoyed the twist that organics are used as the primary material in the creation of Reapers. One of the biggest things I kept thinking back on was how Legion said that Reapers are comprised of multiple programs, presumably AI programs. Not only that, but Reapers are more or less self aware and sapient. I'm thinking that the collective memories of the creatures used in the construction of a Reaper are transferred to them, thus giving them that state of self awareness. I'm also thinking that the consciousness of those people form a collective will within the Reaper.

What do you guys think?

P.S.
Is it possible for the Normandy crew to be processed into the Human-Reaper at the end of the game?

[packardbell]

That's what I was thinking (endgame spoilers incoming)











The Collectors were liquefying humans and sending it into that human-reaper hybrid, probably because they were victorious in the previous game and wanted whatever made them better then the other species.



I also think thats how the Reapers of old were made, the original creators gave the machine their DNA and we get the squid/crab like shape while at the end of ME2 we got a more humanoid like one.. so depending on what speceis and shapes, they're can be various reapers.

[Keltoris]

@your PS, yes, what I've heard from people who weren't fully ready, Kelly gets it. Possibly more.

I doubt the people melded into the Reaper are part of it once it is alive. For one thing, their last moments were very traumatic, and I suspect, even if they remained sane, they'd want revenge. I am curious as to two things: why so many Reapers in that ending clip were cuttlefish, and how does the Collector based creation fit in with the extinction cycle. The first cannot be answered, yet; the second has me thinking they pick one sentient species per extinction cycle to make a new Reaper from to join their ranks. Likely the most troublesome race.

Or do they do the extinction cycle to repair, and we are being collected just to replace Soverign. Which would explain why most like like cuttlefish..

Shoulda put "incredibly massive spoilers" on the title ^.^

[E] cannot be bothering revising to include what Packard said.

Modifié par Keltoris, 27 janvier 2010 - 08:46 .

[Corti78]

The theory that I've most often seen so far is that the human reaper may actually just be a core. As pointed out all the reapers at the end resemble Sovereign or a ship. Not to mention even when the human reaper is completed it would be incredibly small compared to the likes of Sovereign.

[packardbell]

Maybe it would be planned as a ground-side Reaper as most seen so far have been space vessels.



Doubt they want to rely on their indoctrinated thralls all the time.

[Lavans6879]

I'm not necessarily suggesting that the people were alive once injected into the Reaper frame, but that their memories carried over. How else could a Reaper be sapient and self aware? Even if they acquired knowledge through some sort of link with the other Reapers, that doesn't mean they would have an consciousness of their own, which is why I believe that they acquire a consciousness ( or multiple consciousnesses ) through the people.



P.S.

I'm playing through the game in hopes to verify if at least some of the crew gets turned into grey goo. There definitely needs to be more exploration on the liquefication process. I was kinda disappointed when you didn't get to see anyone actually become organic/metalic goo =[

[Keltoris]

packardbell wrote...

Maybe it would be planned as a ground-side Reaper as most seen so far have been space vessels.

Doubt they want to rely on their indoctrinated thralls all the time.

Soverign landed.

I don't think you need to get much more groundside than giant lasers of doom anyway.

Lavans6879 wrote...

I'm playing through the game in hopes
to verify if at least some of the crew gets turned into grey goo. There
definitely needs to be more exploration on the liquefication process. I
was kinda disappointed when you didn't get to see anyone actually
become organic/metalic goo =[

You saw Lilith good dark red/orange.

Color of goo in tubes going into human reaper? orange.

Tbh, I don't even like looking at the SS on the Reaper page on the wiki.

Modifié par Keltoris, 27 janvier 2010 - 08:56 .

[packardbell]

I know he landed but what I meant is a big-assault platform, like the titans in Warhammer 40k lore.

[packardbell]

eek doublepost

Modifié par packardbell, 27 janvier 2010 - 08:57 .

[Keltoris]

packardbell wrote...

I know he landed but what I meant is a big-assault platform, like the titans in Warhammer 40k lore.

*pokes 1 with space doom beam*

Hee hee, it asploded.

Though, now I can't help but want to see concept art of a Necron Titan....

AND NO, REAPERS ARE NOT RELATED/SIMILAR TO NECRONS. Lets not go there people, because it's dead wrong.

[packardbell]

I can definitely see the similarities but really the Necrons have more in common to the Collectors, turned into something more by their 'overlords', advanced technology, no culture of their own.

[Lavans6879]

Keltoris wrote...

You saw Lilith good dark red/orange.

Color of goo in tubes going into human reaper? orange.

Tbh, I don't even like looking at the SS on the Reaper page on the wiki.

You mean the unnamed colonist? It just looked more like her skin was melting off or something. Odd though that Chakwas said gray when the goo is orange. Maybe it's superheated to give it an orange tint?

Lol, I take blame for putting up that shot of the Reaper, as well as the colonist being processed xP

[Keltoris]

Lavans6879 wrote...

You mean the unnamed colonist? It just looked more like her skin was melting off or something. Odd though that Chakwas said gray when the goo is orange. Maybe it's superheated to give it an orange tint?

Lol, I take blame for putting up that shot of the Reaper, as well as the colonist being processed xP

I saw the name in a mouseover I think.

Maybe it cools to grey from body temperature.

No blame needed, I just don't look at it. Makes me wince.

[packardbell]

My guess that it mixed with something else.

[Lavans6879]

Maybe, maybe not. While we dont know the exact methods of how the people are processed, there's a lot of elements in the human body that could easily be converted into a metal. Breaking all the individual elements down on the atomic level and reforming them is nothing more than a matter of chemistry.

[Keltoris]

Lavans6879 wrote...

Maybe, maybe not. While we dont know the exact methods of how the people are processed, there's a lot of elements in the human body that could easily be converted into a metal. Breaking all the individual elements down on the atomic level and reforming them is nothing more than a matter of chemistry.

Yes, but then it would cease to be an organic metal.

Has to be a catalyst methinks.

Modifié par Keltoris, 27 janvier 2010 - 09:15 .

[Lavans6879]

What if the nonorganic elements were fused with the organic ones, thus forming a new element? It would, in theory, alleviate the oxymoron of an organic metal.

[Keltoris]

That or just mix it 50:50 with eezo. That stuff can do anything!



There'd be a good supply of the stuff out there near a black hole or 20.

[Keltoris]

I just realised something...

The human minds have to be related to the Reaper's awareness, otherwise, wouldn't recently-dead humans be just fine as well?



And why are the collectors wasting so many humans on husks/etc?

[Lavans6879]

There's certainly a reason why they need live humans for processing. On that same token, I'm sure that's the reason why they wanted to capture Shepherd on more than one occasion. It really makes sense when you think back to some of Harbinger's quotes, one of which being "we are your genetic destiny".



As for "wasting" humans on husks. I'm pretty sure that the Collectors have more than enough humans to spend on Husk development. A couple thousand is chump change by comparison to the amount of humans already used in the creation of Human-Reaper by the time you fight it.

[packardbell]

Didn't anyone notice the Prothean husk on the prothean codex page?



That is very interesting, so it may seem only a handful of the prothean population were turned into the Collectors while the others were destroyed.

[Keltoris]

Also, during a standard 50k year harvest, are the sentients merely eliminated, or harvested for making more Teapers?



If they're harvested; why bother with the Collectors at all? Only other thing I can think of harvesting for would be repair materials, which strikes me as unlikely in the extreme.



And, Collectors are left-overs from the last harvest. Was there a backup race before them? Presumably, the Reapers will be looking to replace them, I suspect with us.



If there wasn't a backup race, why did they start with the Protheans?



I got the impression that the Protheans were a single species galactic empire, does the number of species make a difference to the Reapers?



So many questions..

[packardbell]

I think there is always a backup race and are replaced if they feel the need or they're not viable anymore.

[Keltoris]

That would stand to reason, so, what did the backup race do during the Prothean ascension? Harvested them? Or just waited? Regardless, why were they replaced? Is the backup race only controllable by whichever Reaper draws the short straw?



Do we want to agree Harbinger is a Reaper remote controlling the Collectors? Or was I the only one thinking that?

[Lavans6879]

I'm pretty sure that the Reapers are intent on trying to continue using humans for Reaper reproduction and furthering their Husk development, especially considering that they seem hooked on Shepherd. So using humans as a backup is probably unlikely, especially if they try to turn more into a Reaper again.

Edit: I'm pretty sure that Harbinger is a Reaper, given the implications at the end of the game.

Modifié par Lavans6879, 27 janvier 2010 - 09:45 .