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[packardbell]

Well keeping in mind you still need dozens of corpses to make one of those.

[Lavans6879]

Nah, from my understanding from the sneek peek vid, it only takes 3 Husks to make a Scion.



I did find something interesting though. I installed Rad tools to play the movie files in the game program folder. The file listed as "visionavi" plays a vision much like the ones Shepherd had back in the first Mass Effect, except that when it pans towards the end, it shows Collectors!

[Wrexdot]

There's a prothean beacon on one of N7 missions

Modifié par Wrexdot, 27 janvier 2010 - 12:26 .

[Keltoris]

Wrexdot wrote...

There's a prothean beacon on one of N7 missions

This I'll have to find..

[Lavans6879]

Was anyone else severely disappointed with how stupidly easy it was to beat Human-Reaper? I understand it was incomplete, but even with not having a lower body, you would expect more of a fight. Shooting it in the eyes a few times to put it down for the count was a bit much. I was expecting something a little more...epic.

[packardbell]

Giant bosses are usually easy to defeat, sadly it's not a Bioware exclusive.

[Lavans6879]

True, though one would think that considering it were a Reaper, it would put up more of a fight. I was expecting to fight it using the Normandy.

The picture that Soverign painted depicting that Reapers are hardcore really didn't live up expectation considering it only took three people to down Human-Reaper when it took an entire fleet to destroy Soverign.

Modifié par Lavans6879, 27 janvier 2010 - 01:27 .

[Lavans6879]

I just got to the end of the game for a second time trying to go for the worst possible ending. More than half of your crew gets processed if you do a side mission right after their abduction. The scene where you see someone get processed isn't changed any. Instead of Lilith being processed, you watch Kelly get processed.

[Lavans6879]

You're absolutely right, it was just in larval form. But even if it was only 10% complete, it still should have dealt far more damage. Think about it, Soverign destroyed most of the Citadel fleet on it's own. BioWare could have at least made it that you needed some super duper heavy duty nuke launcher to destroy it, or like I mentioned earlier, taking it down with the Normandy. It's difficult enough taking down a Praetorean with conventional weapons, so it makes little sense that the Human-Reaper would die just from being shot in the eye a couple times.



In short, destroying Human-Reaper just was not as gratifying as it could have been, especially considering how you now know how Reapers are made, and considering that it's a Reaper that you needed to fight without any real help.

[HelterSkelter89]

well despite the games artistic freedom from staying scientifically accurate example:

shepard being salvageable after being dead and without oxygen for more than 15 minutes (total brain damage),  in the vacuum of space (his air tube got pulled out, this would lead to explosive decompression of gas in the body much like the bends), and i'm going to guess he fell into that planet he was so close to which if it had any atmosphere would have incinerated him before he blew to pieces upon impact with the surface.

no amount of advanced techology could bring someone back from such a situation, there would be no body to salvage in the first place and even if there was the brain would be completely useless. but whatever, they've already started this game with the most unecessarily ridiculous gimmick they could think of, crying about it now won't do any good.

anyway, no, if you liquified a body it would not retain any of its memories. neurons lose all their stored memory within minutes of death of the brain. the individual cells of the body however would remain alive and i guess could be put back together.

also in that last fight, i kept wondering why the thousand foot tall monster didn't just, i dunno, swat shepard? do regular size human have any trouble killing mosquitos? that fight was ridiculous, might as well have fought off sovereign from one of the citadel taxis if the larvae can be taken down with pistols

Modifié par HelterSkelter89, 28 janvier 2010 - 05:56 .

[Lavans6879]

Maybe the process that the Reapers use when liquefying people allows the neurons to remain active and keep their memories? I don't see any other way that the Reapers could be so advanced with so much knowledge, even if they are "eternal". It almost seems like their goals are to integrate as much as they can from advanced civilizations to improve themselves. There's a reason why they only harvested the most successful, most advanced races.

[LavonTB]

Ya know I was wondering about this also.  Because it would make you think that whoever made the Reapers would have made them in their own imagine if they would later do the same to making new ones possibly.  But that would make it apparent who the Reapers were originally made by and we like surprises!  I personally first thought of either ancient Rachni or the crab things when you do the gauntlet with Grunt.  I'm not sure if anyone has posted this so I apologize ahead of time but....

But on Mass Effect Wiki and also in the game it is concluded that the Human Reaper.....

"EDI concluded that tens of thousands of humans had already been processed, and that the Reaper's resemblance to a human was not out of design, but due to Reapers taking on the form of the race being used as material for their construction."

Found here

http://masseffect.wi...com/wiki/Reaper

Also in the second paragraph you will see what Legion has stated about the Reapers and their A.I. program(s).....

"Upon speculation, it's possible that the victim's memories are
transferred to the Reaper when their liquefied form is injected into
the frame due to the fact that Reapers are sapient, self aware
constructs and contain a multitude of A.I. programs. As quoted by
Legion in reference to Sovereign, "one ship, one will, many minds".
"

I believe Legion says this when you are on his mission to gain his loyalty around half way through.

But what gets me is Legion's knowledge on the Repears.  Since we know that true Geth are not the ones we have been attacking in the first game.  This would mean that their knowledge of the Reapers was pre the first game.  So how much do the Geth really know about the Reapers?  They know a nice amount about their A.I., more than what we knew at the time.  So this means I could rabble on about speculation between the Geth and the Reapers etc etc. 

Now back to the first quote, when it states that the Reapers take on the form of the species they are making the ships out of.  This obviously means that they have done this several times before.  So could we possibly see a Prothean ship?  At the end scene with all of the Reapers coming towards the Milky Way Galaxy we see nothing but the usual  Reaper model ship, but that still doesn't mean there could be different models. 

I take it Harbinger was building a new ship since Sovereign had been taken out two years earlier.  But as we begin to talk about Harbinger that means that the Reapers left behind two ships to keep an eye on the Milky Way instead of one, possibly more?  So why bother building another Reaper?  Why not go and wake the other's in Dark Space and get the galatic genocide off in full swing?  And then pick a whole planet or two and make a few Human or other species Reapers and go back to nap time?  But then again we wouldn't have much of a second game nor would we have been introduced so well to the Collector's.

SPEAKING OF COLLECTOR'S!  Do you think that the Reapers in time if they won, would mutate the Human genes like they did the Protheans?  Why did they pick the Protheans?  Was it because they figured it ou, what the Reapers truly were and the Citadel/Keepers?  Which makes me think how the Reapers could change the Prothean genes or create the Keepers.  Have you seen how big they are?  How could they possibly make anything?  Their computers would be the size of planets I say! 

This makes me want to rip my hair out as I wait for the third game or books that could help soothe my headache from thinking on this matter.  All I can say is that if the crabs from Grunt's Gaunlet or the Rachni turn out to be the creator's of the Reapers, I'll **** a brick. I mean come on?  CRAB PEOPLE?  WTF

I need sleep, have a test in the morning, hope someone found this humorous at least.  BTW, sorry for misspelling sure there is a few, too lazy and tired to check as I type.

[Lavans6879]

LavonTB wrote...

Now back to the first quote, when it states that the Reapers take on the form of the species they are making the ships out of.  This obviously means that they have done this several times before.  So could we possibly see a Prothean ship?  At the end scene with all of the Reapers coming towards the Milky Way Galaxy we see nothing but the usual  Reaper model ship, but that still doesn't mean there could be different models.

Unlikely. EDI came to the conclusion that the Protheans weren't compatable with the Reaper's methods of creating new Reapers, which is why they were turned into insects. That doesn't necessarily mean that it's impossible, but not probable. 

LavonTB wrote...

I take it Harbinger was building a new ship since Sovereign had been taken out two years earlier.  But as we begin to talk about Harbinger that means that the Reapers left behind two ships to keep an eye on the Milky Way instead of one, possibly more?  So why bother building another Reaper?  Why not go and wake the other's in Dark Space and get the galatic genocide off in full swing?  And then pick a whole planet or two and make a few Human or other species Reapers and go back to nap time?  But then again we wouldn't have much of a second game nor would we have been introduced so well to the Collector's.

This goes back to the theory that perhaps the Reapers are collecting organics and processing them into Reapers to further their own development and knowledge. I see no other reason for them even bothering unless this were the case.

LavonTB wrote...

SPEAKING OF COLLECTOR'S!  Do you think that the Reapers in time if they won, would mutate the Human genes like they did the Protheans?  Why did they pick the Protheans?  Was it because they figured it ou, what the Reapers truly were and the Citadel/Keepers?  Which makes me think how the Reapers could change the Prothean genes or create the Keepers.  Have you seen how big they are?  How could they possibly make anything?  Their computers would be the size of planets I say!

 

My guess is that it was a little more simple than that. Soverign mentioned that the Reapers wait until an organic race reaches the pinnacle of technology before they either eradicate or enslave them. If the Protheans knew the truth about the Reapers, Citadel, and the Keepers, the likelihood is that they wouldn't have been taken by surprise.

One thing I keep thinking back to is why did Harbinger target Sheperd and his/her crew? Harbinger always barked orders to either capture Shepherd, or leave his body intact. Not only that, but the Illusive Man spilled the beans about Sheperd's former comrades, expecting the Reapers to target them. That's how he got the heads up about Horizon being attacked. Did Harbinger want to integrate Sheperd and his/her crew into the Human-Reaper?

[Chrisimo79]

Lavans6879 wrote...
One thing I keep thinking back to is why did Harbinger target Sheperd and his/her crew? Harbinger always barked orders to either capture Shepherd, or leave his body intact. Not only that, but the Illusive Man spilled the beans about Sheperd's former comrades, expecting the Reapers to target them. That's how he got the heads up about Horizon being attacked. Did Harbinger want to integrate Sheperd and his/her crew into the Human-Reaper?

Well, Shepard and his crew DID destroy Sovereign, so that would be a reason to get him to understand how he did it. And since humans are genetically diverse he would probably integrated into the human Reaper as well.

[Aethelwulf1066]

"SPEAKING OF COLLECTOR'S! Do you think that the Reapers in time if they won, would mutate the Human genes like they did the Protheans? Why did they pick the Protheans? Was it because they figured it ou, what the Reapers truly were and the Citadel/Keepers? Which makes me think how the Reapers could change the Prothean genes or create the Keepers. Have you seen how big they are? How could they possibly make anything? Their computers would be the size of planets I say!"



It's possible that when the Reapers exterminate a species, they keep a small amount of them as indoctrinated and mutated slaves to act as the heralds of their next arrival. They help make it possible for the Reapers to return again, and aid in the construction of new Reapers. I don't know if there is any information about any other species living around the time of the Protheans, so perhaps they were the only ones the Reapers had to work with. Maybe the humans were/are to be the next Collectors, chosen out of all the other races because we were the ones who stopped Sovereign?



That would certainly explain the human corpses used for dna experiments. Perhaps the Protheans were looking for ways, at the behest of the Reapers, to alter the genes of humans to bind them to their will. I'm sure there have been other species before the Protheans that have played the role of the Collector's. When the Protheans played their part, i'm sure the Reapers would have finished the job they started 50,000 years ago.

[Foop DK]

I know how the Reapers were created, strictly insider information from the writers of Bioware themselves.









A Wizard did it.

[Aethelwulf1066]

Harr.



What i'd really like to know, is why they do what they do. I want to know their motivation behind thousands or millions of years of galactic genocide. Who created them?



That's what I want to know. Hope we find out in the next game.

[Chrisimo79]

Aethelwulf1066 wrote...

Harr.

What i'd really like to know, is why they do what they do. I want to know their motivation behind thousands or millions of years of galactic genocide. Who created them?

That's what I want to know. Hope we find out in the next game.

I think we might never fully understand their motives though I would guess it has something to do with control. Staying the dominant species, improving through the use of genetics from new species, terminating potential threats...

[Anacronian Stryx]

Chrisimo79 wrote...

Aethelwulf1066 wrote...

Harr.

What i'd really like to know, is why they do what they do. I want to know their motivation behind thousands or millions of years of galactic genocide. Who created them?

That's what I want to know. Hope we find out in the next game.

I think we might never fully understand their motives though I would guess it has something to do with control. Staying the dominant species, improving through the use of genetics from new species, terminating potential threats...

I find their motives quite easy to understand, They wish to procreate and have spend all this time looking for a race "suitable" to be made into Reapers, When they found none they wiped out all sentient life in the galaxy and let have a fresh start while they slept..and now of cause they have found the race (humans).

[Chrisimo79]

Anacronian Stryx wrote...

Chrisimo79 wrote...

Aethelwulf1066 wrote...

Harr.

What i'd really like to know, is why they do what they do. I want to know their motivation behind thousands or millions of years of galactic genocide. Who created them?

That's what I want to know. Hope we find out in the next game.

I think we might never fully understand their motives though I would guess it has something to do with control. Staying the dominant species, improving through the use of genetics from new species, terminating potential threats...

I find their motives quite easy to understand, They wish to procreate and have spend all this time looking for a race "suitable" to be made into Reapers, When they found none they wiped out all sentient life in the galaxy and let have a fresh start while they slept..and now of cause they have found the race (humans).

That's an interesting thought.

[LavonTB]

Lavans6879 wrote...

Unlikely. EDI came to the conclusion that the Protheans weren't compatable with the Reaper's methods of creating new Reapers, which is why they were turned into insects. That doesn't necessarily mean that it's impossible, but not probable.

Did she state this when you found the Collector in the pod being tested along side the humans that had been captured?  That would make sense to me that the Collectors(Reapers)  were looking to make more collector's to make a new Reaper and then in turn make them into Collectors also. 

Lavans6879 wrote...

My guess is that it was a little more simple than that. Soverign mentioned that the Reapers wait until an organic race reaches the pinnacle of technology before they either eradicate or enslave them. If the Protheans knew the truth about the Reapers, Citadel, and the Keepers, the likelihood is that they wouldn't have been taken by surprise.

One thing I keep thinking back to is why did Harbinger target Sheperd and his/her crew? Harbinger always barked orders to either capture Shepherd, or leave his body intact. Not only that, but the Illusive Man spilled the beans about Sheperd's former comrades, expecting the Reapers to target them. That's how he got the heads up about Horizon being attacked. Did Harbinger want to integrate Sheperd and his/her crew into the Human-Reaper?

In the first game when you meet Vigil the Prothen V.I. he tells you that they did know about the Citadel, Keepers and some knowledge of the Reapers themselves.  They just learned this information too late and thus their extinction followed.  But if the Reapers come at the pinnacle of a species technology is that just the general idea that in 50,000 years a species will evolve to what they calla pinnacle of their age? 

I think that Harbinger was trying to focus or rather get revenge on the person(s) that took out his fellow Reaper.  Since Shepard had been re-built I think it made Harbinger want Shepard even more.  So I would have to agree with you that Harbinger wanted to integrate Shepard into the Human Reaper.  Maybe he would have played a larger role in the A.I. of the Human Reaper?

[packardbell]

I think destroying Shepard was a secondary objective, he is probably worth more than those thousands of colonists that were being processed.

[Lavans6879]

LavonTB wrote...

Did she state this when you found the Collector in the pod being tested along side the humans that had been captured?  That would make sense to me that the Collectors(Reapers)  were looking to make more collector's to make a new Reaper and then in turn make them into Collectors also.

No, she stated that when you found Human-Reaper, using the investigate option just prior to shooting the injection tubes. 

LavonTB wrote...

I think that Harbinger was trying to focus or rather get revenge on the person(s) that took out his fellow Reaper.  Since Shepard had been re-built I think it made Harbinger want Shepard even more.  So I would have to agree with you that Harbinger wanted to integrate Shepard into the Human Reaper.  Maybe he would have played a larger role in the A.I. of the Human Reaper?

I would assume so. This is another reason why I believe that the memories and knowledge of a person is transferred over to the Reaper when they're liquefied and injected. There would be almost no point to using Shepard in the creation of Human-Reaper if this were not the case.

packardbell wrote...

I think destroying Shepard was a secondary objective, he is probably worth more than those thousands of colonists that were being processed.

Then why did Harbinger want Shepard's body intact if not alive?

Modifié par Lavans6879, 28 janvier 2010 - 08:43 .

[packardbell]

I think I am getting a grasp of it now, reapers like Sovereign and Harbinger have had very powerful individuals integrated making their mind dominate over all the others.



While the lesser reapers take orders from them.