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[Vazgen]

I wouldn't consider changing all life in the galaxy against its will as something saintly.

Not necessarily against its will. More like, without consulting it on the issue. 

[wright1978]

Not necessarily against its will. More like, without consulting it on the issue. 

 

It's both. There would be those who would be accepting/supportive but equally there would be many who wouldn't be accepting/supportive.

[Vazgen]

It's both. There would be those who would be accepting/supportive but equally there would be many who wouldn't be accepting/supportive.

Yes, I'm just pointing out that the statement "against galaxy's will" implies universal disagreement with the choice, which, as you pointed out, is not correct.

[God]

I wouldn't consider changing all life in the galaxy against its will as something saintly.

 

The galaxy doesn't really have a choice now does it? 

 

Sometimes, free will is a bad thing.

[Batarian Master Race]

Sometimes, free will is a bad thing.

 

Adam and Eve, anyone?

[Torgette]

That is not what is being said at all. Your analogy is false. You're taking the position that we do not have any understanding of the future, as well as postulating that it is feared. It is not.

 

I openly embrace the concept of synthesis, a singularity. I don't support the incarnation presented in the ending, but I support the Catalyst's assessment.

 

Without Reapers, conflict will continue to arise. And the conflict will have no check on it. This is the opposite of an unknown. We, and the Catalyst, know exactly what will happen if we create synthetics. The Catalyst has a 1 billion year track record. Conflict will arise, and civilizations will fall, and the Reapers will come to reset the slate and preserve what species exist.

 

If you don't accept this, then ironically enough, it is your lack of fear towards this knowledge that makes you patently unsuitable for involved in the decision making process.

 

Well since all of the end choices are a leap of faith (the current cycle only continues if you refuse), yes lack of fear is important.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

So, with all the religious undercurrent flowing throughout the series, we reach the end, and the Normandy crashes on the jungle planet, clearly giving the Adam and Eve allusion. Shepard was on the Citadel represented the Tree of Knowledge, and the Catalyst represented the Serpent. Pick destroy and we follow God's Will. Pick Synthesis and we have our eyes opened by the Serpent. Pick Control, and Shepard becomes the Serpent and nothing changes. Really? Was it that hard to figure out? Reaper tech was the "fruit we were not supposed to eat". Like I said, a child could have written this.

 

The ending still left you feeling kicked in the gut.

 

Then in DAI they do the religious savior thing again.

 

Please, let's not do this again in ME: Next?

[wright1978]

The galaxy doesn't really have a choice now does it? 

 

Sometimes, free will is a bad thing.

 

Of course they have a choice right now.

Free will is never a bad thing.

[Torgette]

So, with all the religious undercurrent flowing throughout the series, we reach the end, and the Normandy crashes on the jungle planet, clearly giving the Adam and Eve allusion. Shepard was on the Citadel represented the Tree of Knowledge, and the Catalyst represented the Serpent. Pick destroy and we follow God's Will. Pick Synthesis and we have our eyes opened by the Serpent. Pick Control, and Shepard becomes the Serpent and nothing changes. Really? Was it that hard to figure out? Reaper tech was the "fruit we were not supposed to eat". Like I said, a child could have written this.

 

The ending still left you feeling kicked in the gut.

 

Then in DAI they do the religious savior thing again.

 

Please, let's not do this again in ME: Next?

 

Well to be fair to DAI, the religious savior thing is only with the humans who believe in the maker, and if you want you can openly say you're not the Herald (much to everybody's chagrin). Mass Effect definitely beat you over the head with the whole "space jesus" thing though.

[Torgette]

Maybe the Bible is about Mass Effect instead. "The Lord is my Shepherd. I shall not want."

 

At this point, I just to try to laugh at it. Now everyone has a corresponding religion symbol. Space Jesus, Space Judas (Legion), Space Magadalene (Jack). I'm not sure who Space Peter is (Wrex? Garrus?).

 

Space Peter would be Anderson, Space James would be Kaiden, Space John would be Garrus, Space Matthew would be Liara... um, I don't know about the rest lol.

[themikefest]

I wonder what my femshep would be? Space devil?  . Excellent. I can live with that

[dreamgazer]

Gotta love the usage of "Afterlife" and "Purgatory", too.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Well to be fair to DAI, the religious savior thing is only with the humans who believe in the maker, and if you want you can openly say you're not the Herald (much to everybody's chagrin). Mass Effect definitely beat you over the head with the whole "space jesus" thing though.

 

Yeah, and I RP'd my gutter snipe as The Maker's chosen. She truly believed it after she closed the first rift, and did not believe Corypheus. "I am the Herald of Andraste! Bow before me!"

 

And let's not forget.

 

"Christian Bible. Gospel of Mark. 'We are Legion.' This is an acceptable metaphor."

[dreamgazer]

"Christian Bible. Gospel of Mark. 'We are Legion.' This is an acceptable metaphor."

Afterlife, Purgatory, Lazarus, Legion ... it's frelling everywhere in ME2.

[SwobyJ]

So, with all the religious undercurrent flowing throughout the series, we reach the end, and the Normandy crashes on the jungle planet, clearly giving the Adam and Eve allusion. Shepard was on the Citadel represented the Tree of Knowledge, and the Catalyst represented the Serpent. Pick destroy and we follow God's Will. Pick Synthesis and we have our eyes opened by the Serpent. Pick Control, and Shepard becomes the Serpent and nothing changes. Really? Was it that hard to figure out? Reaper tech was the "fruit we were not supposed to eat". Like I said, a child could have written this.

 

The ending still left you feeling kicked in the gut.

 

Then in DAI they do the religious savior thing again.

 

Please, let's not do this again in ME: Next?

 

Shepard was a soldier and a savior.

 

Inquisitor was a savior and a con man.

 

Next Mass Effect will have a con man and something else .

[SwobyJ]

No guys, there's no religion in Mass Effect. Keep off the religious discussion. Banu.

[dorktainian]

lots of references to death tho.  it's almost 'lost-esque' in that regard.

[God]

Of course they have a choice right now.

Free will is never a bad thing.

 

Well, I'm not counting on them to make the right choice. So I'm going to not give them the option.

 

And yes, quite frankly, free will is a bad thing for most people (or at least, when not given in moderation). When given a choice, the vast majority will inevitably choose poorly. Thus, it makes sense to give them no choice at all (or to limit their choice). It's the greatest lie that we tell ourselves: that we matter. 

[Marolf]

I am actually in this whole series right know and started playing again, so i am quite new to it.

 

Picking Destroy is the reset to the solution and the cycles anyway .... and all can start over again, because it doesn't take long for living things to forget the past and do the same mistakes again.

 

If you pick control or synthesis, Shep is not turned into a husk, cause a husk is an organic/synthetic construct, intertwined maybe but not mixed.

 

Shep on behalf of that is beeing transformed by nanobots into pure energy, not goose. I think of the goose as a kind of blood for the reapers.

Sheps energyform is either used

 

-to create an AI (the new Controller of the Reapers) or

-is emmitted as an ernergy wave to alter organic and synthetic life on an molecular basis, so that there is only the orgthetic lifeform remaining.

 

Interesting, how the DNA of a human is enough to combine synthetic life with all organic life in the galaxy, which is different as the stars in it self. The crucible is in fact a hell of a genetic miracle machine.

 

Why it didn't work in the past, well no other cycle ever came that far, although there is no hint or proof, that there hasn't been a united galaxy in a previous cycle fighting for survival against the reapers. It was shepards credit to unite and rally the galaxy, making him/her the right and only choice for such a decission/sacrifice.

 

But any "good" ending you choose, is just an temporarily solution to the problem. Why?

 

Destroy = The Harvest Solution is gone, so the Synthetic Extinction Problem, which the Catalyst was created in the first place will come uo again, eventually. Why? Because we like to forget things. Hell there are wars and crimes going on on this World right now an many people intend to forget it, just because it isn't on the news anymore. Unlikely the Individuals in the MEU would've lost such an behaviour.

 

Control might trigger an xeno- or better synthopobic reaction within the organic society someday, if the evolution or technical advancements put them on a reaper similar level, which is likely to come sooner, now that they are our "friends" and protectors.

 

Even the synthetic Ending means no peace forever. Why? How do you want to combine logic and emotion? Synthetic are just logically calculating, organics on the other hand have a logical awareness but will mostly act through emotion. The greatest strength is also the greatest weakness. Now that the Reapers have got access to emotions, otherwise the synthesis wouldn't make sense, they not only understand organic life, but will surely life the same way. That means, someday the come to realize, that they are the strongest. If you look at it in a darwinistic kind of way, then evolution in life means progress through conflict, and there only the strong survive. So synthesis imho simply changes the threat of organic/synthetic war with a simple civil war of the greenish orgthethics.

 

So all 3 choices bear their pro's and con's.

 

And to counter the fact, why i spend 5 years in this game for such an ending, well thank BW it's not the first time.

 

Just look at KotOR 1, 2 Drew Karpyshyns Novel Revan, or SWtOR and the final Fate of the Heroes there. I loved these games (except the latter), but seeing or reading how Revan, Meetra Surik (the Exciled), T3-M4 or HK-47 ended up made me rethink of why i spend so much effort in it. OK, they all died for a greater good or to interest the masses to spend their credits into the next game of the series, but the all faded away seemingly unknown to the rest.

 

Here BW lets the Hero/Heroine have a final decission, which will never be forgotten and has an tremendous impact on the shaping of the comming galaxy.

 

I don't know if this has been mentioned before (not in this thread but maybe somewhere else), but if you choose the destroy option (enough EMS presumed) the breathing scene takes place in ruins and remains of concrete. I am not talkin primarily about the IT, but it is quite unlikely, that the detonation blast from the red tube threw him right away into the conduit again, so that he might be safe on earth, or was it even the catalyst maybe, the last good deed for the hero/heroine?

 

So to say, if it's unlikely that he flew right back to his buddy marauder shields, he's never left london at all. But who pulled the trigger then? Someone has to be physically on the citadel and make a decission. Otherwise non of the endings could have ever happend, except for the continuation of the harvest. Or it is just in shepards head and the trigger is executed telepathically.

 

And since when do the council or terminus guys know how to fix a mass relay? Where there blueprints next to the crucible patterns?

The relays are not destroys via overload or a kinetic impact, as seen in arrival DLC, but more likely a kind of self shut down. The reapers build them, right?

Well their security self shut down just reacts like this: "You were smart enough to beat us and end the cycles, well then you are surely advanced enough to build your own relays, have a nice day."

 

Apropos IT, i just finished ME 1 and came to realize, that there might have been some kind of first indoctrination attempt by Sovereign, right before the final fight, when he turns Saren's corpse. You can see the edge of the screen https://www.youtube....h?v=Ho5-LrQqqHE shivering, similar to the dream sequences or the encounter with TIM and Anderson on the Crucible.

 

Any Indoctrination before doesn't make sense, because on Ilos Vigil called his Bones algorhythm to scan Shep and the Crew, stating that, "well Virgil, they are not dead, but they aren't indoctrinated either." And i am pretty sure they're not just only looking into the eyes.

 

Harbingers red beam could never be a destructive one, because they slice through battleships like butter. Indoctrination is impeneted via energy fields, isn't it? Why not let this beam be of minininimal destructive power but maximized and concentrated brainwash power?

 

Looking foreward to any additions, complaints or enlightments.

[God]

New guy talking stuff that we've all known for years in a wall of text?

 

tl:dr

 

Now, after reading it...

 

There's nothing in there that hasn't been mentioned or talked about to death somewhere else.

 

Plus the formatting and grammar is just terrible.