Why doesn't the UK just federalize for corn's sake? It sounds like it would solve many of the country's problems regarding political representation.
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#52
Posté 08 mai 2015 - 08:16
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Bring back the Margaret Thatcher, she could crush commie skulls with her bare hands.
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#53
Posté 09 mai 2015 - 09:33
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None of the parties of Britain are representative of the people. People just seem to vote for what they deem the lesser evil.
Bring back the Margaret Thatcher, she could crush commie skulls with her bare hands.
Ew, I'd sooner have Tony goddamn Blair back.
#55
Posté 09 mai 2015 - 09:37
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We have serious cases of split-personality disorder here. Our right wingers seem to think they are left, whereas the lefties seem to think they are right. Whatever is convenient of course in order to win votes, use the popular mandates to attract voters, then thrash everything as you get elected and run the same policies as the whackjobs anyway.
The ever-lasting repercussions of maintaining a welfare state.
The ever-lasting repercussions of maintaining a welfare state.
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Posté 09 mai 2015 - 11:17
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We have serious cases of split-personality disorder here. Our right wingers seem to think they are left, whereas the lefties seem to think they are right. Whatever is convenient of course in order to win votes, use the popular mandates to attract voters, then thrash everything as you get elected and run the same policies as the whackjobs anyway.
The ever-lasting repercussions of maintaining a welfare state.
Thats the weird thing about Europe. A lot of parties that are literally called 'right-wing party' turn out to be liberal and supposedly hardcore leftwing parties turn out to be conservative. I guess the positive thing is that they shift priorities according to what they need.
#58
Posté 09 mai 2015 - 12:11
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All my friends loved reaching voting age, but I've always seen it as a chore.
We basically have a choice of voting for:
* The Nepotism Party
* The Pushover Party
* The Liar Party
* The Lads Party
* The Hippy Party
* The i-don't-know-why-we-voted-to-stay-in-the-uk party
* Other parties that don't stand a chance
And it doesn't even matter who we vote for, because it always goes the same way:
Politician: "We promise to do X, Y and Z!"
*gets into power*
Politician: "So, I know we said that we promised to do X, Y and Z, but I've checked our and budget and it seems we can't do X or Y and can only do a tiny bit of Z."
We basically have a choice of voting for:
* The Nepotism Party
* The Pushover Party
* The Liar Party
* The Lads Party
* The Hippy Party
* The i-don't-know-why-we-voted-to-stay-in-the-uk party
* Other parties that don't stand a chance
And it doesn't even matter who we vote for, because it always goes the same way:
Politician: "We promise to do X, Y and Z!"
*gets into power*
Politician: "So, I know we said that we promised to do X, Y and Z, but I've checked our and budget and it seems we can't do X or Y and can only do a tiny bit of Z."
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#59
Posté 09 mai 2015 - 12:57
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Well, until the UK gets a politician that thinks the President (Prime Minister in your case) is ordering a military invasion of their state (province) you still haven't reached the US's brand of crazy.
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Posté 09 mai 2015 - 02:15
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Well, until the UK gets a politician that thinks the President (Prime Minister in your case) is ordering a military invasion of their state (province) you still haven't reached the US's brand of crazy.
The UK don't have provinces. England outside of London have Regions and Counties, which I would know, since I lived in the Suffolk county in East Anglia region for three years. London have Boroughs, Wales have three different subdivisions, Scotland have Districts, and Northern Ireland have Districts despite a lot of people still talking about the "Six Counties." Complicated, I know, but we are talking about Britain here.
You have no understanding of the word "boredom" until you've lived in a place like East Anglia.
Why doesn't the UK just federalize for corn's sake? It sounds like it would solve many of the country's problems regarding political representation.
No easy task. A lot of people benefit from the current system - even the SNP. They will put up a hell of a fight to keep it. And even if people do succeed and federalise the UK, what shape would that federation take? Make England a state wholesale? England is Tory-dominated and has 84% of the UK's total population, so Labour, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland would hate that. Break up England into smaller pieces? Yeah... Labour tried that late in the Blair years, everybody just dismissed it as a wasteful Labour project, there was that whole dispute between Sunderland and Newcastle, and everything just fell apart. Basically, you can't impose regional governance from the top down if there is no appetite for it. Plus, the Tories would hate the dilution of their dominance in England.
But things are changing, and there are starting to be more grassroots appetite for city and regional devolution, so it won't be a quick or clean process, but I do think the UK is eventually heading in the federal direction - either that, or a complete break-up.
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#61
Posté 09 mai 2015 - 02:19
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All my friends loved reaching voting age, but I've always seen it as a chore.
We basically have a choice of voting for:
* The Nepotism Party
* The Pushover Party
* The Liar Party
* The Lads Party
* The Hippy Party
* The i-don't-know-why-we-voted-to-stay-in-the-uk party
* Other parties that don't stand a chance
And it doesn't even matter who we vote for, because it always goes the same way:
Politician: "We promise to do X, Y and Z!"
*gets into power*
Politician: "So, I know we said that we promised to do X, Y and Z, but I've checked our and budget and it seems we can't do X or Y and can only do a tiny bit of Z."
Honestly. If I were in politics I'd promise you the world and only deliver a grain of salt.
In reality, lofty promises are difficult to achieve.
Elections have a nasty habit of encouraging lofty promises.
Terms of Office have an even nastier habit of making a fool of the one making the promises and even bigger fools for those who believed in said promises.
#62
Posté 09 mai 2015 - 02:24
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Start a nuclear war
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#63
Posté 09 mai 2015 - 02:25
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You have no understanding of the word "boredom" until you've lived in a place like East Anglia.
I live in Suffolk, it's not that bad.
But then, I'm more the type to stay at home and play computer games, so as long as we have speedy internet I'm happy.
#64
Posté 09 mai 2015 - 02:29
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where are the M.R.L.P when you need em?
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Posté 09 mai 2015 - 02:36
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All my friends loved reaching voting age, but I've always seen it as a chore.
We basically have a choice of voting for:
* The Nepotism Party
* The Pushover Party
* The Liar Party
* The Lads Party
* The Hippy Party
* The i-don't-know-why-we-voted-to-stay-in-the-uk party
* Other parties that don't stand a chance
And it doesn't even matter who we vote for, because it always goes the same way:
Politician: "We promise to do X, Y and Z!"
*gets into power*
Politician: "So, I know we said that we promised to do X, Y and Z, but I've checked our and budget and it seems we can't do X or Y and can only do a tiny bit of Z."
Modern elections are very much show business. Political parties are actual and proper businesses now, with investors (donors), executive boards, media and advertising wings, and even whole commercial arms that sell merchandise. During elections, they are in the business of glossing up the narrative and selling you dreams, to suppress your doubts and disbelief so as to pry your vote from you. It's just like any TV show, and has absolutely nothing to do with real politics, which is all about bashing heads, greasing palms, and whole literal armies of lawyers. You know, the ugly stuff.
I live in Suffolk, it's not that bad.
But then, I'm more the type to stay at home and play computer games, so as long as we have speedy internet I'm happy.
Oh, I spent the whole time thinking maybe if I lived in Ipswich or Bury it might not have been that bad, but I didn't. Where in Suffolk do you live?
#66
Posté 09 mai 2015 - 02:42
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Am i the only one who wants Edd Balls as our next Priminister?
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Posté 09 mai 2015 - 02:45
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Holy balls, why do people still bother to vote with that system?! And the conservatives won? Yikes!
I wonder how different the system is from the Netherlands' system. It seems like we do have 2 big parties here as well but they will never have a monopoly.
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Posté 09 mai 2015 - 02:46
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Am i the only one who wants Edd Balls as our next Priminister?
Probably. Oh, how I partied when he lost.
#69
Posté 09 mai 2015 - 02:48
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Ionly want him in for the jokes.
Aaaaand now we have a Feminist party. THANKS SWEEDEN..
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Posté 09 mai 2015 - 02:54
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Ed Balls? That's an odd name. Does he happen to go to Sandy Balls often.
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Posté 09 mai 2015 - 03:16
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Ionly want him in for the jokes.
Aaaaand now we have a Feminist party. THANKS SWEEDEN..
What's wrong with the Feminist party?
They're fighting for women's rights.
Are women's rights lacking in Sweeden? I honestly don't know. I know nothing about Sweeden.
There must be a reason for having a Feminist party.
Am i the only one who wants Edd Balls as our next Priminister?
Well. I guess there are worse choices.
I don't think he'd be great. He'd do the usual okay job.
I generally put all leaders on a spectrum.
0/10: Started a nuclear war and wiped out all life forms on the planet.
10/10: Solved all of the worlds problems.
I rate most world leaders as 4/10.
Ed Balls would be a 4 maybe 5 out of 10.
5/10: Did some good for the country. None of their good deeds will be remembered.
Well that's what I think of Edd Balls. 5/10.
Holy balls, why do people still bother to vote with that system?! And the conservatives won? Yikes!
I wonder how different the system is from the Netherlands' system. It seems like we do have 2 big parties here as well but they will never have a monopoly.
Crazy people supporting for crazy candidates will most definitely vote.
If the majority don't vote for the lack lustre moderates then the crazy lost the plot individuals will gain seats.
No one wants that.
Personally, I'd rather have proportional representation, though that probably means the crazy lost the plot candidates will gain 4-5 seats.
Though I guess it would mean my prefered party Greens would get a few seats. UKIP would gain a few seats too.
I'm not a fan of UKIP but it does seem a shame that they get only 1 seat despite getting more votes than SNP.
Well, until the UK gets a politician that thinks the President (Prime Minister in your case) is ordering a military invasion of their state (province) you still haven't reached the US's brand of crazy.
Well. We (UK) were dragged into two wars the last time the US has warmongers in charge.
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Posté 09 mai 2015 - 03:18
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*has seen a party called Wig Party in Victoria video game*
*summons the Wig Party to solve UK's all problems*
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Posté 09 mai 2015 - 03:21
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Also we can create a political group and discuss about politics there, right?
Or some hidden hands would exterminate that group too?
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Posté 09 mai 2015 - 03:28
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*has seen a party called Wig Party in Victoria video game*
*summons the Wig Party to solve UK's all problems*
Whig Party. They existed . The U.S. had their own version too.
Also we can create a political group and discuss about politics there, right?
Or some hidden hands would exterminate that group too?
Dunno, but if someone was to create one, count me the Hell out. I'm only willing to discuss politics in terms of history and its ludicrous nature.
#75
Posté 09 mai 2015 - 03:38
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Oh, I spent the whole time thinking maybe if I lived in Ipswich or Bury it might not have been that bad, but I didn't. Where in Suffolk do you live?
I live about 20 minutes drive from Ipswich. There's a few things to do there, like shopping, going to the cinema and several clubs and bars. The high street has really diminished in recent years though.
Speaking of politics, we have (had?) a Lib Dem woman secure bus services to Ipswich on Sundays, which was useful. I hope she keeps her position.
