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[iamchaossthought]

First off, if I come across as patronizing I am honestly not trying to be.  

 

I find Zither to be tiring, yes, from finger mashing, but I think it is pretty straight forward to use the virtuoso to the best effect for my team.  

 

I am frequently encountering other high level virtuosos that not only are placing dead last, but I am noticing a distinct lack of team play from them.  There literally is not another class where you get rewarded more for teamplay.  I've played several hours as Zither and I was truly astounded when I would get first or second place frequently just by adding status effects and barrier to my teammates.

 

My question is, how are ppl so terrible with Zither?  It's blowing my mind how the only effect I ever am casted with is speed or MAYBE the single first portion of the barrier.  Am I wrong to assume that a virtuoso should be pretty involved in keeping the party alive?  

 

I am not referring to players new to the character.  I mean, if you're a lvl 17 VIrtuoso, then I would suggest that you should be well acquainted with most of the intricacies of the character.  

 

Feedback is appreciated.

 

Also, anyone feel free to add me on PS4!  Same name.

 

[Beerfish]

You could make this post about very single class to be honest, there is more than one way to play a class, people are inexperienced with Zither, Zither takes more skill or at least memory work to use to the best effect than other classes.  It's simply far too early imo to make a statement/claim/observation like this.

[BansheeOwnage]

The class plays very differently from any other so far, so I'm hoping people will learn to play him better soon. He is only there for team play, and a lot of people like to be lone wolves... in a coop game. Oh well. My only complaint with the class is that my hands get tired, but I don't see a way around that.

[Kungsarme]

Hmmm, let's see, I have 5 or 6 songs at my disposal, usually on a 12 second duration, that can overlap and be cast inside of a few seconds of each other providing maximum benefit to me and the team. Or! Or! Or I could hit 1 song then autoattack for the next 30 seconds. Massive facepalm.

[LightningPoodle]

ZITHER can very much be played as a dedicated support, that's a given. The problem is, there isn't any other classes like that. All the other classes are very much offensive, with some classes offering some kind of team support, however, none of them can be considered dedicated supports (at least I wouldn't anyway). So with that, a lot of players have this mentality to go full offense and sometimes help out teammates when it's an alright time to do so. Hopefully, with the addition of future characters also following this new way of playing, players will become better at this type of gameplay.

[TormDK]

I'm enjoying Zither very much, and don't mind the song dancing as much as I thought I would.

 

I just wish people would slow down a bit and move in groups, but I suppose we can't have everything

[kaileena_sands]

I fully admit that I cannot play him yet properly. But I am on PC so I know that you're not specifically referring to my ineptitude (though make no mistake, it is there).

 

I am... level 12 with him and I've gotta say that's 3 games. Level 17 is around 8... which is not that many and is definitely not enough to get someone acquainted with the "intricacies" of the character. Give people some more time to learn.

 

Also maybe suggest what some of those "intricacies" so that you can help other people like me.

 

One of my biggest problems with him is - how do you deal with teams that refuse to be close to each other at any point of time, as if their teammates have the blight or something.

[Kevlar Eater]

Of course I get tired playing with Zither, but despite that, I fully enjoy playing with him. I have him chug lyrium potions at critical moments, which are unfortunately common, especially when teammates split away and I have to choose who gets support or left to fend for themselves. But yes, he's new, so more people have to earn and play with him in order for more people to learn his intricacies.

 

I greatly prefer to use Battle of the Bands and Sing Along, as it's nice to see people heal while killing things faster. Great for reavers that like to cut loose with Dragon Rage.

[llandwynwyn]

Played one match and that was it, he's tiring to play. He also kills fps from what I've read.

[Kapsejs]

Sounds like l2play, the mechanics are so different from any other class that it doesn't really surprise me. He needs a bit of practice to shine, although some of his talents (like barrier) aren't very complicated to keep up.

[supoman]

I get lots of compliments of how fast I play with Zither (playing songs) and how fast the battles go because of that, so I think I'm good with him than most people are  

[Kapsejs]

I get lots of compliments of how fast I play with Zither (playing songs) and how fast the battles go because of that, so I think I'm good with him than most people are

 

At first I read that as "complaints" and was like "ehh, what is wrong with people?!"

[Ploidz]

He's more reactionary than active buffing depending on the situation. Speed when not in fights, attack speed when it can be useful, barrier at the start (dumping a lot of mana into it to make it worth it), then depending on the enemy A little Knight Song for armor buff. When people start having a bit of missing health I react with Sing-Along to get them a bit of light healing and attack speed hoping they will attack more and not sit back. When they start attacking and are still not recovering fast enough I watch my MP (stop using it on offense/utility buffs) and get ready to dump mana into barrier. Maybe give speed after in case they feel like they need to run.

 

It's a lot of decision making, and sometimes you put on a song anticipating what the people will do and they don't take advantage so you start conserving a bit and just dumping mana into barrier since it's a crowd pleaser and that's what they expect from support (dance singer dance). It seems like the songs don't give too much exp to get on the top of the charts like Keeper barrier spam did, or maybe my songs went unused when it mattered. Sometimes on threatening or routine you may only really need the defense buff which makes it so physical attacks hit for 1 on me. When it's magical enemies I go all barrier though with a little physical def if a lot of demon melee enemies are around.

 

I'm hardly ever at the top of the boards, though since patch my after game is usually spit out to the menu and not lobby, or by the time I see the lobby people are already gone. I don't get many kills, and I have no idea how much assist exp if any(?) is given for songs or the song version of barrier.

 

I like the song dancing a lot. I started to just look after people that don't go off into their own corners and get beat up.

[iamchaossthought]

double post, sorry!

[iamchaossthought]

@Kaileena; I would suggest skimming through Ploid's posting that I have quoted below.  It's a great start!

 

"Also maybe suggest what some of those "intricacies" so that you can help other people like me. :)"

 

"One of my biggest problems with him is - how do you deal with teams that refuse to be close to each other at any point of time, as if their teammates have the blight or something. :lol:"

 

-I would suggest going after the bulk of the teammates, e.g. if 2 of the 3 are together stick w 2.  Conversely, you may get more XP going after the lone wolf if they are less likely to stay alive and you can spam barrier.  I kinda have done both.  If the lone wolf seems too selfish then I kinda just forget about them and stick with the team players.

 

He's more reactionary than active buffing depending on the situation. Speed when not in fights, attack speed when it can be useful, barrier at the start (dumping a lot of mana into it to make it worth it), then depending on the enemy A little Knight Song for armor buff. When people start having a bit of missing health I react with Sing-Along to get them a bit of light healing and attack speed hoping they will attack more and not sit back. When they start attacking and are still not recovering fast enough I watch my MP (stop using it on offense/utility buffs) and get ready to dump mana into barrier. Maybe give speed after in case they feel like they need to run.

 

It's a lot of decision making, and sometimes you put on a song anticipating what the people will do and they don't take advantage so you start conserving a bit and just dumping mana into barrier since it's a crowd pleaser and that's what they expect from support (dance singer dance). It seems like the songs don't give too much exp to get on the top of the charts like Keeper barrier spam did, or maybe my songs went unused when it mattered. Sometimes on threatening or routine you may only really need the defense buff which makes it so physical attacks hit for 1 on me. When it's magical enemies I go all barrier though with a little physical def if a lot of demon melee enemies are around.

 

I'm hardly ever at the top of the boards, though since patch my after game is usually spit out to the menu and not lobby, or by the time I see the lobby people are already gone. I don't get many kills, and I have no idea how much assist exp if any(?) is given for songs or the song version of barrier.

 

I like the song dancing a lot. I started to just look after people that don't go off into their own corners and get beat up.

 

 

Thanks for the replies, everyone. I reckon I should quit griping and give it time!  Gotta keep it in perspective.  =)

 

Edit for clarity.

[Rolenka]

I only played him a little, but I have been thinking of setting up some macros for him. Either to make song switching easier or to make something automatic, like twist a song or three or just maintain barrier at the mana regen rate (which would really be all you're expected to do). Or spam like crazy for that passive that increases your damage for every song you play fast enough.

[Viking]

Virtuoso = SPAM THE SHIELD.

 

That's the only thing we need.

[Aetika]

I am breaking my fingers trying to ding ding ding all the songs, so don't expect much from me.

[kaileena_sands]

Thank you! Those tips are quite good and I guess I'll try harder at learning him.

 

 

I am breaking my fingers trying to ding ding ding all the songs, so don't expect much from me.

 

 

I play the piano and the songs are killing me! I am shame. >_>

[Cirvante]

He's playing Zither as a support character ...

 

[ProperWarhawk]

Or you can make him a pure offense machine with power cord, haste, and attack speed buff and wreck things.

[yarpenthemad21]

I've played with one Virtuoso and he just was great. Barrier all the time, buffs + great reflex when aoe damage was needed. As a keeper I used barrier maybe 3 times in whole perilous dragon match.

[iamchaossthought]

He's playing Zither as a support character ...

 

 

Before I promoted him the first time, I did 90% offensive.  I did enjoy it--until I got to perilous.  Perhaps b/c I play only pub matches, but the need for someone to assist defensively is almost always greater than DPS since there are some pretty heavy dealers in that category.  

[Kungsarme]

Someone had posted earlier but it calls for repeating in this thread, I only played him to 15 so far so I don't have it memorized yet and my cheat sheet card is at home. There is a great order someone listed for minimum button mashing. Remember the notes don't have to be in order. 3 notes, chord, 1 note changes the order to the next useful buff, chord, another note changes it, chord, again, chord. You can unleash a brutal buff to yourself and party almost consistently with a good 9 seconds for barriers or attacks and you get that quick song buff too. The best experiences with virtuosos I've had have done just this and they usually top the board. If people are taking the efficient route in the castle you should have no problem with the group being together and Zither just makes everything go smoother and faster.

[scene_cachet]

I've been in threatening matches with Zither's that don't barrier song and die and go to the fade on every zone.

 

These type of people must be mentally challenged, especially if you're a level 14 and don't know  how to barrier... Much like the keepers that don't lnpw how to barrier. 

 

I think I'm pretty amazing at Zither, but I main a class on FFXIV that has a mudra system that is exactly the same as the song combo but you're punished if you try to cast the wrong elemental combination. You can't cast for 8 or 10 seconds if you do a wrong combo. This should be implemented.