Guest_john_sheparrd_*
http://tay.kotaku.co...fant-1662330835
I just read this article and sadly its very true
Apart from the short story and terrible open world this bugged me the most about DA:I
Its just not DA anymore, just another generic high fantasy franchise
Anyone else here agree? I doubt DA4 will be better but I still hope Bioware goes back to DA:O
DA was never truly a dark fantasy to begin with
The only "Dark setting" Origins had was the Blight
Guest_Mlady_*
I disagree because life goes on. In Origins you were placed in the middle of the Blight and watched how it affected everyone you encountered. In DA2 it was part of DAO and then grew into its own story, expressing the dangers of Circle abuse, blood magic and how out of control everyone was getting. DAI is 10 years after DAO. The Blight is over, life is returning to normal and it's mostly a political struggle with the dangers of the Breach added, but DA is not a dark series, it just had a dark theme to introduce it, and since DA2 was partly happening at the same time, the darkness carried over. It's always been a fantasy game filled with darkness and wonder and always will be both, just sometimes not as dark as people want or expect. I found DAI quite refreshing.
The author of that article couldn't even get his facts straight.
I didn't find Origins very dark to begin with, other than a few things involving the Blight. DA2 was closer to dark, but I have to agree with AresKeith that the franchise was never really dark to begin with. Sure they used that in the marketing, but that's marketing.
I skimmed, what did he get wrong?
I skimmed, what did he get wrong?
I disagree because life goes on. In Origins you were placed in the middle of the Blight and watched how it affected everyone you encountered. In DA2 it was part of DAO and then grew into its own story, expressing the dangers of Circle abuse, blood magic and how out of control everyone was getting. DAI is 10 years after DAO. The Blight is over, life is returning to normal and it's mostly a political struggle with the dangers of the Breach added, but DA is not a dark series, it just had a dark theme to introduce it, and since DA2 was partly happening at the same time, the darkness carried over. It's always been a fantasy game filled with darkness and wonder and always will be both, just sometimes not as dark as people want or expect. I found DAI quite refreshing.
Hold on. That's not true. We barely saw how the Blight affected Ostagar. The other plots had 0 connection to the Blight. The Circle was all about demons. Orzammar was all about politics. It did have a darkspawn plot, but it didn't tie in with the Blight at all. Same with the Dalish plot. Hell, even the Landsmeet. It's basically 0 Bligh related stuff entirely.
I agree, DA was never strong in the dark fantasy department. But DAI is certainly much more sanitized than its predecessors. One hopes DA4 won't continue the trend.
Unless the next protagonist becomes the head of a powerful organization, we won't have to worry about that 
Hold on. That's not true. We barely saw how the Blight affected Ostagar. The other plots had 0 connection to the Blight. The Circle was all about demons. Orzammar was all about politics. It did have a darkspawn plot, but it didn't tie in with the Blight at all. Same with the Dalish plot. Hell, even the Landsmeet. It's basically 0 Bligh related stuff entirely.
I'd say DAI was darker than DAO. For example in DAO you could save pretty much everybody, while in DAI you couldn't.
none of them are particularly dark really
Origins is frequently touted as dark fantasy, but its really not very. There's the Blight and the Circle Tower, but that's about it. 2 deals more with issues like poverty and classism but its not nearly as visually dark as Origins (which is an important component)
Inquisition is terrified of upsetting someone so it plays everything safe
Guest_TrillClinton_*
Rumor has it I can **** the desire demon. Is this true? I need to know for scientific purposes.
I might concede that DA:O was grittier. DAI is a glossier game than DAO in the same way ME3 is glossier than ME. I'm not sure how much of this is an active design choice or just a change in technology. But I never felt that any of the games was particularly dark, or a particularly accurate analog for any nation in medieval Europe. (I'm also not sure why black people and a lack of prostitution is always where we gravitate when we talk about inaccuracies in these games.) I'm not sure I would have enjoyed the games as much if they were dark. There are dark, even gruesome, moments in each of the games, but I never felt like I was playing God of War, and that is just all right with me. I don't know. I like the game, and I like the direction they've gone, so its hard for me to feel disappointed about the overarching design choices.
Rumor has it I can **** the desire demon. Is this true? I need to know for scientific purposes.
Guest_TrillClinton_*
The one possessing Connor? If that's the one you mean, yes.
For the sake of science I might need appropriate links
Rumor has it I can **** the desire demon. Is this true? I need to know for scientific purposes.
Yes, you have to play a mage.
...And I agree that DA:O wasn't incredibly dark...just kinda shadowy. DAI is a glaring ass sun shining in your face bright though. I don't mind too much since no claims were made as to being a dark fantasy, even though I prefer that type usually.
For the sake of science I might need appropriate links
Guest_TrillClinton_*
The relevant portion starts at around the six minute mark.
Science rewards you my friend.
I don't find stories in any of DA games to be dark. Only thing that gets less dark is visual art style.
I couldn't help but find it a little amusing that the article's author said it was offensive to him as a person of color that "Bioware thinks black people will call them racist if they don't make a world with us in it". There are lots of different people who I think have leveled that very accusation at Bioware for that very reason. I think that highlights the problem of trying to speak for or be outraged on behalf of an entire group of people in situations like this.
And also yeah he is wrong about the history of non white people in Thedas. Rivain was always a place where dark skinned people came from and it also isn't shoehorning all peoples of color into a single nation. There are some Antivans that appear to be dark skinned. And it's a different dark skin than Rivani.
Rivaini skin appears to be black. Antivans appear to be Latino.
I was kinda of two minds when it came to all the new racial diversity. On the one hand, it was good that there are clear examples of different types of people, but there didn't seem to be any rhyme or reason to it. I love Ser Barris, but he's the son of a Ferelden noble with a skin tone that is similar to Vivienne, the daughter of merchants from Dairsmuid. To me it kind of diminishes the diversity of the world if every nation and every tribe in Thedas all have equal numbers of all people.
As far as the darkness goes. I don't know. I thought all three games were fine as far as that goes. I've heard jokes making fun of Origins claims to being dark even when it first came out. I guess I can see where he was coming from in some caes, but I didn't feel something fundamental vital to the tone of the franchise was missing. I did notice a lot of horrible things seemed to be mostly in little easter egg bits of content you have to explore and read a codex for, and then don't deal with.
Dragon Age as a franchise is never been considered as dark fantasy. DAO gave a lot of easy way-outs to many choices in the game and DA2 was a good step to dark fantasy but shoot itself in the foot in Act 3 due to Darkness-Induced Audience Apathy it contains.
There's still darker stuff you don't see, you read about it or get told about it more often. Example:
I was just thinking about this, "not dark enough", riiiightThere's still darker stuff you don't see, you read about it or get told about it more often. Example:
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