Howe's sexist. Orlais for the longest time didn't allow women to fight. Female fighters are overall rare in Origins, with a few exceptions.
That stopped being the case ages ago. Specifically, two ages before the start of Origins. That's...two hundred years. Which makes being surprised at the number of female fighters in 9:38 Dragon Orlais akin to being surprised at the lack of slaves in 21th century America.
That stopped being the case ages ago. Specifically, two ages before the start of Origins. That's...two hundred years. Which makes being surprised at the number of female fighters in Orlais akin to being surprised at the lack of slaves in 21th century America.
I agree, but I can see why some would take issue with that. We see relatively few female fighters in Ferelden, which is supposedly more tolerant than Orlais. The rarity of female fighters is even remarked upon.
Now, personally, I take issue with the idea that characters can only show strength through violence as much as with the idea that you need a 50/50 split in every profession to be egalitarian (hint: even in our day an era, there is a very obvious divide between the subjects men and women tend to choose in college, as well as very male- or female-dominated careers).
So I cannot help but wonder what a coincidence it is that after hearing of Orlais' supposed misogyny (admittedly, from unreliable and old reports) it turned out much better than Ferelden. Not that I mind, but I get the feeling it is not a coincidence at all.
"The most powerful and influential characters have been women"
What are you smoking? They can become Divines in the Chantry, but the Chantry's a glorified nunnery, the males being more isolative monks or church workers, as are women. Being a Divine doesn't even mean you're that powerful, unless those who follow Andraste are on your side.
Gaider's not a very talented writer, hasn't been for a long time. I don't care what he thinks is "Middle Ages" or not, but he's wrong if he thinks Inquisition is it.
The Divine isn't powerful?
What game have you been playing? The last I checked being able to call an Exalted March for whatever reason is pretty darn powerful. IMO.
Who ruled Orlais? Empress Celene.
"The Rivaini are traditionally a matriarchal people and many believe that women are best suited to ruling. Most Rivaini communities are governed by elder women, the most senior of these women being the above-mentioned seers" (http://dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Rivain)
Who ruled Kirkwall with an Iron Fist. It certainly wasn't that limp noodle Dumar, it was Meredith.
Who ruled Fereldan in DAO? It wasn't that moron King Calian, it was Queen Anora.
So yeah. What are you smoking? Obviously the games you picture in your mind aren't what's being made.
As for Gaider, You can say what you want about him, I don't think he's the greatest writer in the world. However, I doubt he ever claimed DAI was supposed to mirror Europe in the Middle Ages 100%. That's just what you want.
I agree, but I can see why some would take issue with that. We see relatively few female fighters in Ferelden, which is supposedly more tolerant than Orlais. The rarity of female fighters is even remarked upon.
Now, personally, I take issue with the idea that characters can only show strength through violence as much as with the idea that you need a 50/50 split in every profession to be egalitarian (hint: even in our day an era, there is a very obvious divide between the subjects men and women tend to choose in college, as well as very male- or female-dominated careers).
So I cannot help but wonder what a coincidence it is that after hearing of Orlais' supposed misogyny (admittedly, from unreliable and old reports) it turned out much better than Ferelden. Not that I mind, but I get the feeling it is not a coincidence at all.
I don't recall the instances where it was said that Orlais was more misogynistic or intolerant to women than Fereldan. Those would be pretty inconsistent with how Orlais is portrayed in the game. It also wouldn't make much sense considering the influence of the matriarchal Andrastian church in Orlais.
I think the strength through violence thing is mostly because of the combat-centric nature of the game. Sure Bioware could write mostly non-combat female characters who express strength in other ways (Josephine for instance), but at the end of the day, most gamers will tend to gravitate towards characters who are good at kicking ass.
It's difficult to judge what the social norms would or should be like in Thedas based on what we know to be historical and contemporary norms in our world. Gender discrepancies that exist today in certain fields may be due to social conventions that still exist in our society that were never a part of Thedosian society.
I don't recall the instances where it was said that Orlais was more misogynistic or intolerant to women than Fereldan. Those would be pretty inconsistent with how Orlais is portrayed in the game. It also wouldn't make much sense considering the influence of the matriarchal Andrastian church in Orlais.
Didn't Eleanor Cousland remark she wasn't an Orlesian adornment or something of the sort when told she shouldn't fight? Fereldan women wouldn't appear to think much of Orlesian women.
But either way, women fighters were unquestionably a Big Deal in DAO. Alistair would tell you as much. The bandits you meet when you arrive in Lothering say as much. The Provings announcer in Orzammar says as much. The male dominated Carta shows as much with both Jarvia and a female castless Warden. The city elf origin shows as much.
DAI doesn't, mysteriously enough.
I think the strength through violence thing is mostly because of the combat-centric nature of the game. Sure Bioware could write mostly non-combat female characters who express strength in other ways (Josephine for instance), but at the end of the day, most gamers tend to gravitate towards characters who are good at kicking ass.
Which I find kind of sad. But maybe that's just me.
It's difficult to judge what the social norms would or should be like in Thedas based on what we know to be historical and contemporary norms in our world. Gender discrepancies that exist today in certain fields may be due to social conventions that still exist in our society that were never a part of Thedosian society.
Maybe. But that's not what I was trying to say. My point is that in a piece of fiction you don't need to have a female warrior for every male warrior, or vice versa.
Didn't Eleanor Cousland remark she wasn't an Orlesian adornment or something of the sort when told she shouldn't fight? Fereldan women wouldn't appear to think much of Orlesian women.
But either way, women fighters were unquestionably a Big Deal in DAO. Alistair would tell you as much. The bandits you meet when you arrive in Lothering say as much. The Provings announcer in Orzammar says as much. The male dominated Carta shows as much with both Jarvia and a female castless Warden. The city elf origin shows as much.
DAI doesn't, mysteriously enough.
I think that Eleanor's "Orlesian wallflower" remark was meant to be more of a jab at the prissiness of the Orlesian nobility (in contrast to her own rugged Fereldan nobility), rather than indicative of how she thought all Orlesian women were like.
The dwarven stuff makes sense since the monarchy seems largely patriarchal and there isn't much influence from the Andrastian church. Even so, I don't recall a big deal being made over Jarvia or the Warden. Did the other examples have an "oh wow a female fighter" moment?
Maybe. But that's not what I was trying to say. My point is that in a piece of fiction you don't need to have a female warrior for every male warrior, or vice versa.
Certainly, but you also don't need to not have a female warrior for every male warrior. A 50/50 split wouldn't pose any obvious contradiction to the lore.
The Divine isn't powerful?
What game have you been playing? The last I checked being able to call an Exalted March for whatever reason is pretty darn powerful. IMO.
Who ruled Orlais? Empress Celene.
"The Rivaini are traditionally a matriarchal people and many believe that women are best suited to ruling. Most Rivaini communities are governed by elder women, the most senior of these women being the above-mentioned seers" (http://dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Rivain)
Who ruled Kirkwall with an Iron Fist. It certainly wasn't that limp noodle Dumar, it was Meredith.
Who ruled Fereldan in DAO? It wasn't that moron King Calian, it was Queen Anora.
So yeah. What are you smoking? Obviously the games you picture in your mind aren't what's being made.
As for Gaider, You can say what you want about him, I don't think he's the greatest writer in the world. However, I doubt he ever claimed DAI was supposed to mirror Europe in the Middle Ages 100%. That's just what you want.
Six or so powerful women does not a matriarchy make.
You are evidently a feminist or some sort of "girl-power" enthusiast if you like to think men are weak and women are not. You and I are at the opposite ends of the spectrum and as such nothing we say will make the other agree or concede.
Six or so powerful women does not a matriarchy make.
You are evidently a feminist or some sort of "girl-power" enthusiast if you like to think men are weak and women are not. You and I are at the opposite ends of the spectrum and as such nothing we say will make the other agree or concede.
How you got that from her post is beyond me
Six or so powerful women does not a matriarchy make.
Quite right. It takes only one powerful woman to make a matriarchy. The matriarch.
The Chantry, being always headed by a woman, is a matriarchy. It's also one of the most powerful political forces in Thedas, akin to the Catholic Church in England before the Reformation. Not only does the Divine have massive sway over the people of Thedas because of the Chantry's religious dominance, she has complete authority over the Circles of Magi, her own elite military force in the Seekers of Truth, and the authority to call an Inquisition. The fact that the Divine was the one leading the summit between the Templars and the Mages should clue you in on how important she is in the grand scheme of things. Hell, they're the reason why it's called the Dragon Age.
How you got that from her post is beyond me
He made it quite obvious.
Six or so powerful women does not a matriarchy make.
You are evidently a feminist or some sort of "girl-power" enthusiast if you like to think men are weak and women are not. You and I are at the opposite ends of the spectrum and as such nothing we say will make the other agree or concede.
He also doesn't believe in the actual existence of women on the internet.
At all.
So you missed how the qunari went from 'only have sex for the purpose of reproduction' to 'we have sex clinics to make sure no one's feeling horny'?
As I recall, this was never a thing in DA:O. I believe what Sten said was that they don't have romantic attachments in the way we understand them. That's different from sex clinics, but I might be wrong.
He also doesn't believe in the actual existence of women on the internet.
At all.
You're mistaken. Women exist on the Internet, it's just all the supposed hyper-liberal-hyper-lesbian feminists on this forum are males living out a fantasy they won't ever achieve in real life.
"Hyper-lesbian."
Oh, brother.
At first I didn't completely believe you but then he comes back to prove you right.
Oh wait, there's more.
He also doesn't believe that racism has been an issue in America for over a century.
He's the actual embodiment of insane troll logic, this one.
He really just said hyper lesbian lol
I really can't take him serious now
You could before?
Oh wait, there's more.
He also doesn't believe that racism has been an issue in America for over a century.
He's the actual embodiment of insane troll logic, this one.
The embodiment of common sense and logic untainted by Liberal-Progressive bias, sir. And actually, you're right. I was wrong on that. The only form of racism I personally believe has afflicted the States over the past 5 decades or so is anti-white racism.
He really just said hyper lesbian lol
I really can't take him serious now
Remember that one guy from the old-old forum who spammed cropped lesbian BDSM gifs all over the place, posing as a woman?
Hyper-lesbian, hyper-liberal manchildren.
SNIPPITY
You're mistaken. Women exist on the Internet, it's just all the supposed hyper-liberal-hyper-lesbian feminists on this forum are males living out a fantasy they won't ever achieve in real life.
What ever makes you feel less insecure about who you talk to on the internet
It's not the most stupid theory out there, just close to it, but it would be intriguing to hear how you explain all the people "pretending" to be women on the Solas and Cullen threads
If you're right, they're playing quite a long con
What ever makes you feel less insecure about who you talk to on the internet
It's not the most stupid theory out there, just close to it, but it would be intriguing to hear how you explain all the people "pretending" to be women on the Solas and Cullen threads
If you're right, they're playing quite a long con
If you've been on the internet for at least a year, you know it's fact that very few people claiming to be women are legitimate. Normally I wouldn't care, let kids live out their false-realities. However, the people I see do it here not only lead men on by a leash, but also act this way to get positive attention.
I haven't met a single person in either Bioware forum, now or before, who was a real woman not out to get attention. In Exile claims to be a woman I think? She may be legit. She isn't a raging lesbo at the very least.
I figured there was one sexist on the BSN. Definitely found him in this thread.
I'm more focusing on girl-fakers right now. But yeah, I'm a bit of a sexist. The mistrusting type if you will.
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