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[DEUGH Man]

Why, women? WHYYYYY

[TheBunz]

I'm just convinced that current American men and women ideology isn't conducive for a permanent intimate relationship.

Of course there are always exceptions to everything, but sadly, this is a very rare minority in my experience.

[Seboist]

I'm just convinced that current American men and women ideology isn't conducive for a permanent intimate relationship.

Of course there are always exceptions to everything, but sadly, this is a very rare minority in my experience.

 

Then travel abroad, try Latin America, Eastern Europe or South-east asia. No shortage of suitable hunies for such there.

[Bayonet Hipshot]

To the OP,

 

Nice girls or no nice girls, it doesn't matter. Why ? Because women change.

 

You might meet a nice girl but will she remain a nice girl ? What guarantee is there that she will not turn on you or backstab you in the future ? What happens if you meet a girl who appears to be nice so you hooked up with her or married her or knocked her up and then she turns crazy ?

 

This is further compounded by the fact that a man who gets into a romantic relationship or a marriage contract with a woman effectively gets a Sword of Damocles over his head.

 

A woman can falsely accuse you of domestic violence or of sexual assault and your life as you know it will be ruined. Just look at the recent cases of false rape accusations, I'm sure those men thought the women was nice. A woman can get herself knocked up by some other guy, say that you are the father and collect child support from you. Paternity tests are illegal in many countries and paternity fraud is actually a thing, just look it up. Many countries now have implemented common law marriage whereby if you live with a woman in a household after some time, you are considered married by the state which entitles her to take half your stuff and ruin you financially. Then there is the act of marriage and divorce itself where, thanks to no fault divorce, women initiate the majority of divorces, most commonly for silly reasons like dissatisfaction, gets the kids, half of your property, your house, your car and leaves you with child support. It has gotten so bad that divorce is now a 5 billion dollar industry. I'm sure the number of men who became divorced in this fashion once considered their female spouse nice girls. 

 

Okay, not all relationships end up like that. But even in the normal ones, the men are screwed. Constant nagging and passive aggressiveness, having to keep up with unrealistic demands to keep up with the Joneses, etc. If you are free OP, just go to a shopping mall and look at married couples there. You will typically find the husband walking around with the look of a dead man in his eyes, his life, his freedoms and his hopes all ruined and crushed. The very same man who has to satiate his foregone life with a weekly dosage of ESPN sports,beer and mancaves. Do you want to be this broken man for the sake of a potentially nice girl ? 

 

Now obviously you will get the typical deflection of "not all women are like that !" and that is true. However, enough women are like that. Do you really want to spend your life going on some unicorn hunt because society drill it into your head only to end up with a Siren-esque creature from Odysseus' tales ? 

 

If you want sex, there is pornography, sex toys and in the future, virtual reality sex. These are cheaper than what you will spend in a romantic relationship, both will not land you with a false criminal accusation or a divorce. If you want children, either adopt or consider surrogacy. Once again, these options don't require you to waste your time finding nice girls or taking unnecessary risks that come with little to no benefits. 

 

The cold hard reality is this :- If a man decides to do a rational cost benefit analysis of romantic relationships with women, he will find out that the costs are astronomical and the benefits are negligible at best, nice girls or no nice girls. 

 

So my advice to you OP, is to stop finding nice girls. That is a pointless activity. You can do a lot of other more fun things like playing video games or reading a good book or watching a nice movie. Be single, be yourself and live your life as stress free as you can and the best way for a man to remove potential stress from his life is to not bother with nice girls or romantic relationships. If you are young, don't worry, that's your hormones going nuts and doing the talking. Rein them in by doing exercises or meditation and by the time you reach 35, your brain will not be that controlled by hormones anymore. 

 

Cheers. 

[Commander Rpg]

Nice girls or no nice girls, it doesn't matter.

It matters, because future hasn't happened and it isn't predictable, present time is the only one we have to choose.

[Jstatham1227]

can't remember the last time a women went of to flirt with a guy because of his personality.

[Bayonet Hipshot]

It matters, because future hasn't happened and it isn't predictable, present time is the only one we have to choose.

 

So a man should risk his economic status, his emotional well being and sometimes his life because the future has not happened, on the slim chance he might find a nice girl and on a slimmer chance that this girl will remain nice to him ? A man should put himself on a Russian Roulette on some slim odds because feelings ?

 

Are you kidding ? Or do you wish to see more and more men potentially ruin their lives on slim chances ? 

 

From a logical standpoint...

 

1) A man can have companionship from either his friends or with domesticated animals with cats and dogs. They will costs far less and come with far less risk than getting into a relationship with a potentially nice girl.

 

2) A man can gain sexual satisfaction from pornography, virtual sex, sexual toys such as fleshlights and legal prostitutes. Once again, the costs involved here is far less than that of getting in a relationship with a potentially nice girl. Additionally, men tend to get less sex when they enter a committed relationship.

 

3) A man can cook, clean, and maintain his household all by himself thanks to modern technology or he could employ a the services of a cleaning lady. This means that a man no longer needs to get a nice girl for housewife purposes. 

 

4) A man can get entertainment from books, movies, video games, sports and toys. All these will cost less than getting in a romantic relationship with a potentially nice girl. Did you know that the average wedding costs in North America is 23,000 USD ? Do you know what kind of gaming rig or home theater setup a man can build with that money ? Or the amount of comic books and movies that a man can buy with that money ? Or the amount of aftermarket parts a man can buy to soup up his car or bike ? Or the amount of travel tickets one can get with that money ? 

 

5) A man can employ the services of a legal surrogate mother or pursue legal adoption if he wants to have children. This will free men from the burden of having to be dependent on a potentially nice girl's schedule for having babies and frees him from the potential of having these said children used against him as ransom during a divorce settlement. Do you know that male suicide, which is practically a pandemic at this point, spikes up and a man is 8 times more likely to kill himself after going through a divorce ? You want to doom a man to that position on the slim chance that a girl might be nice and might stay nice ? 

 

6) A man no longer has to work soul crushing terrible 60+ hour workjobs in order to support a potentially nice girl if he is single. He can work far less, be less stressful, focus on self development and live longer as a result. 

 

7) A man can retire to an old folks home when he gets old where he will be taken care of by professionals. The whole thing about getting a special girl who will love you till death is bunk. You will almost always die alone unless if you make a suicide pact of sorts. It is better to live alone and die alone in peace than live with a special snowflake, be heartbroken when said special snowflake leaves you or dies and then die a lonely and miserable death.  

 

If I can find any benefit that a man can get from a relationship with a potentially nice girl that cannot be obtained elsewhere for far less, I will take everything I have said back. However, I truly don't think there is any benefit for a man in a relationship with a potentially nice girl that he cannot get anywhere else.

 

I even asked my mother, who has been married for 25 years to my father, to give me an actual benefit to men who get into a romantic relationship that men cannot get anywhere else for far less....She could not come up with one...Even my dad couldn't...& both of them are in a stable happy marriage.

 

To men out there, think with your brain, not with your penises. Before doing anything, first ask yourself "How does this benefit ME ?"

[Rawgrim]

can't remember the last time a women went of to flirt with a guy because of his personality.

 

Personality seems to be a possible bonus these days, that comes with the wallet.

[Jstatham1227]

Personality seems to be a possible bonus these days, that comes with the wallet.

 

sucks for guys who don't have looks to work with. Judgment is way to quick sometimes. 

[Rawgrim]

So a man should risk his economic status, his emotional well being and sometimes his life because the future has not happened, on the slim chance he might find a nice girl and on a slimmer chance that this girl will remain nice to him ? A man should put himself on a Russian Roulette on some slim odds because feelings ?

 

Are you kidding ? Or do you wish to see more and more men potentially ruin their lives on slim chances ? 

 

From a logical standpoint...

 

1) A man can have companionship from either his friends or with domesticated animals with cats and dogs. They will costs far less and come with far less risk than getting into a relationship with a potentially nice girl.

 

2) A man can gain sexual satisfaction from pornography, virtual sex, sexual toys such as fleshlights and legal prostitutes. Once again, the costs involved here is far less than that of getting in a relationship with a potentially nice girl. Additionally, men tend to get less sex when they enter a committed relationship.

 

3) A man can cook, clean, and maintain his household all by himself thanks to modern technology or he could employ a the services of a cleaning lady. This means that a man no longer needs to get a nice girl for housewife purposes. 

 

4) A man can get entertainment from books, movies, video games, sports and toys. All these will cost less than getting in a romantic relationship with a potentially nice girl. Did you know that the average wedding costs in North America is 23,000 USD ? Do you know what kind of gaming rig or home theater setup a man can build with that money ? Or the amount of comic books and movies that a man can buy with that money ? Or the amount of aftermarket parts a man can buy to soup up his car or bike ? Or the amount of travel tickets one can get with that money ? 

 

5) A man can employ the services of a legal surrogate mother or pursue legal adoption if he wants to have children. This will free men from the burden of having to be dependent on a potentially nice girl's schedule for having babies and frees him from the potential of having these said children used against him as ransom during a divorce settlement. Do you know that male suicide, which is practically a pandemic at this point, spikes up and a man is 8 times more likely to kill himself after going through a divorce ? You want to doom a man to that position on the slim chance that a girl might be nice and might stay nice ? 

 

6) A man no longer has to work soul crushing terrible 60+ hour workjobs in order to support a potentially nice girl if he is single. He can work far less, be less stressful, focus on self development and live longer as a result. 

 

7) A man can retire to an old folks home when he gets old where he will be taken care of by professionals. The whole thing about getting a special girl who will love you till death is bunk. You will almost always die alone unless if you make a suicide pact of sorts. It is better to live alone and die alone in peace than live with a special snowflake, be heartbroken when said special snowflake leaves you or dies and then die a lonely and miserable death.  

 

If I can find any benefit that a man can get from a relationship with a potentially nice girl that cannot be obtained elsewhere for far less, I will take everything I have said back. However, I truly don't think there is any benefit for a man in a relationship with a potentially nice girl that he cannot get anywhere else.

 

I even asked my mother, who has been married for 25 years to my father, to give me an actual benefit to men who get into a romantic relationship that men cannot get anywhere else for far less....She could not come up with one...Even my dad couldn't...& both of them are in a stable happy marriage.

 

To men out there, think with your brain, not with your penises. Before doing anything, first ask yourself "How does this benefit ME ?"

 

 

The benefit is knowing you have someone who love you, and sticks by you. That is 2 benefits for you right there.

[Rawgrim]

sucks for guys who don't have looks to work with. Judgment is way to quick sometimes. 

 

The world has gotten cynical, really.

[Jstatham1227]

We all need someone, or we'll go crazy. 

[Jstatham1227]

The world has gotten cynical, really.

 

can practically taste the bitterness at times. lel 

[Commander Rpg]

So a man should risk his economic status, his emotional well being and sometimes his life because the future has not happened, on the slim chance he might find a nice girl and on a slimmer chance that this girl will remain nice to him ?

You are talking of percentage of chances you can't even tell, whilst I'm talking about the present.

Would you rather stay with an unkind girl, hoping she will turn out good?

If you're going to type another wall of text of nonsense, save yourself the effort.

[Beerfish]

She's a good girl, loves her mama
Loves Jesus and America too
She's a good girl, crazy 'bout Elvis
Loves horses and her boyfriend too

[Bayonet Hipshot]

can practically taste the bitterness at times. lel 

 

I'm just being realistic. If that's cynical and bitter, than that's reality's problem. 

 

Its better to live a harsh and cynical reality than to live a feel good delusion. 

[Jstatham1227]

hell, sometimes wish I had any women. Even if they treat me like trash, at least they're there for me. 

[Jstatham1227]

I'm just being realistic. If that's cynical and bitter, than that's reality's problem. 

 

Its better to live a harsh and cynical reality than to live a feel good delusion. 

 

true. Learning that the world isn't your friend can save a lot of time and effort in the future. 

[Bayonet Hipshot]

You are talking of percentage of chances you can't even tell, whilst I'm talking about the present.

Would you rather stay with an unkind girl, hoping she will turn out good?

If you're going to type another wall of text of nonsense, save yourself the effort.

 

I'd rather you don't stay with a girl at all. Don't have to worry if she will turn out to be good or bad. Problem solved. 

[Cyonan]

sucks for guys who don't have looks to work with. Judgment is way to quick sometimes. 

 

To be fair, it works that way for girls too.

 

The only thing is that, at least where I live, guys are still generally expected to be the ones making the first move. If a guy sits back and waits for a girl to come to him, then he's going to need to be much better looking or appear much more financially successful(which would attract the kind of girl I imagine you aren't wanting =P).

[Bayonet Hipshot]

hell, sometimes wish I had any women. Even if they treat me like trash, at least they're there for me. 

 

That means you yearn for people and for companionship. That does not necessarily have to involve finding a potentially nice girl or being with a woman who treats you like a trash. 

 

Volunteer at a shelter. Adopt an animal. Work in charity events. Find some dependable long term friends. 

[Commander Rpg]

I'm just being realistic.

 

I'd rather you don't stay with a girl at all. Don't have to worry if she will turn out to be good or bad. Problem solved. 

 

 

The last person I heard with similar thoughts, I'm not joking, was a follower of a movement of self-extinction, a nihilist, a seconder of the nazi-holocaust and a rationalist satanist.

[Cyonan]

hell, sometimes wish I had any women. Even if they treat me like trash, at least they're there for me. 

 

It's worth noting that if you did have a women who treated you like trash, she'd probably not be there for you when you actually needed her to be there.

 

Odds are you're just being used.

 

Personally I'd love to find a nice nerdy girl who I can play games and watch netflix with all day, but I'm unaware of where such people spend their time other than in their house playing games watching netflix =P

[Bayonet Hipshot]

The last person I heard with similar thoughts, I'm not joking, was a follower of a movement of self-extinction, a nihilist, a seconder of the nazi-holocaust and a rationalist satanist.

 

If you think that looking at facts and making decisions that is the least riskiest to you in order to live your life somehow equates me to being part of a group that is pro-Nazi and worship satan...Then that's your problem isn't it ? 

 

Because I don't recall calling for the death of humanity or the Jewish race or promoting satan worship. All I ever did was lay out the fact that having a relationship with a girl, nice or not, exposes you to lots of risks which is better avoided.