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[Jukaga]

Doing a new ME3 run with my latest character who winded up being a renegon through ME1 and ME2. In ME2, having a maxxed out renegade bar and half full paragon, Samara of course let me know she would be obligated to hunt me down if she wasn't sworn to my service. Absurdity of that aside as my Shepard didn't do anything Samara wouldn't have done I'm wondering if by the time you meet her again in ME3 if you're paragon bar now outweighs the renegade if she comments on it or not, as I seem to be going in that direction.

[Excella Gionne]

It seems as if it's forgotten. She must understand that she can't just kill Shepard because he/she is unjust, and due to the circumstances she'd be bringing doom upon the galaxy were she to kill Shepard.

[dgcatanisiri]

It's not addressed at all, so it basically just has to be assumed that she considers it a greater injustice to kill Shepard at this point in the war effort. Which is still at odds with her portrayal from ME2, where she says that the Justicar code compels her to deal with injustices whenever she sees them, regardless of outside circumstances, but that's what we have in canon, so...

[KrrKs]

I'm wondering if by the time you meet her again in ME3 if your paragon bar now outweighs the renegade if she comments on it or not, as I seem to be going in that direction.

AFAIK which respond you get is purely dependant on the paragon/renegade ratio at that specific time. (It also assumes that it was always this way)

 

This can lead to pure paragon ME2 Sheps getting the renegade respond in ME3, if you are consistently unkind to the VS and don't cure the genophage.

I believed these 2 decisions alone will net enough renegade score for that to happen, but I'm not entirely sure the ME3 Morality Guide indicates that more renegade actions are necessary.

This is also assuming that you meet her ASAP after the Coup.

 

Conversely, if your Ex-Renegade Shep (with more paragon points) talks to her, Samara will act as if she never threatened/warned Shepard.

[Shuidizi]

This is basically why even though Morinth barely gets any content in ME3, my renegade Shepard still chose her over Samara. Keeping Samara around when you have a renegade Shepard feels very inconsistent in way too many levels.

[Jukaga]

Interesting. I know it's beyond the scope of what the game tracks, but I wish you could talk to Samara and ask what exactly did you have a problem with? Even a full renegade playthru is still pretty heroic, there's little to anything a determined Samara wouldn't do in pursuit of her goals.

 

In my situation though, it would be nice for a comment like, 'Your latest efforts are commendable, but I am still bound by the code to hunt you down. The current crisis supersedes this for now but be warned.' It would remind be of a time in RL where I was gassing up the car and had a ton of waterbottles to get rid of. There was a crazy god-sign binner nearby so I waved him over and offered him all of my recyclables. He said: 'Many thanks, but this won't save your soul from judgment.' Okee-dokee brother.

[teh DRUMPf!!]

 Logic is Samara's enemy.

[Daemul]

I don't know. Sometimes the Renegade can be really assholeish, for no good reason. Like withholding medigel from that Salarian in the beginning of Thane's recruitment.

 

Maybe it's stuff like this that she doesn't like. She'd probably even approve of you kicking that merc out the window though. And other Renegade stuff like that. That's pretty much up her alley.

 

Actually, withholding the medigel from the Salarian from the Salarian isn't a renegade action, you get given no renegade points for not taking the Paragon interrupt, in fact, you get given the opportunity to earn extra Paragon points by not taking the interrupt. It's a common misconception among many fans that not taking a Paragon/Renegade interrupt means that you are performing the counter moral action, e.g. by not taking the Renegade interrupt to shoot the mech through Garrus' scope you are performing a Paragon action, when this is not the case, they're a handful of exceptions to this, but the vast majority of the time, this is not the case. 

 

Interrupts were essentially added to get around the rigid morality system since you get given the option to use them all regardless of how many P/R points of you have, it was the first step Bioware took in making the morality system redundant in ME3, something which I will always be grateful for, because the system was dumb as hell and restricted role playing massively. 

[Jukaga]

I don't know. Sometimes the Renegade can be really assholeish, for no good reason. Like withholding medigel from that Salarian in the beginning of Thane's recruitment.

 

Maybe it's stuff like this that she doesn't like. She'd probably even approve of you kicking that merc out the window though. And other Renegade stuff like that. That's pretty much up her alley.

You have a point, but in my particular character I didn't do the ******* stuff like that beyond letting the Batarian on Omega choke. Full renegade all the time is dumb, but on the other side full paragon is a weakling.

[congokong]

Don't know. She blew her brains out before I could find out. lol

 

In truth, the whole renegade negativity regarding her doesn't necessarily make sense. Samara is rather renegade herself; willing to kill officers who delay her. Also, renegade doesn't necessarily mean bad. My canon never did anything I'd consider evil yet she was renegade, and Samara made that indirect threat about killing Shepard if not under her command.