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[Oldren Shepard]

i hope they will, to see how the geth have evolved not just like a single entity with many eyes but like a complex I.A. each unit with his own thoughts, desires and questions after the reapers upgrade, maybe some of them taking more humanoid features and behaviors something like the bicentennial man , others keeping themselves more traditionalist and to find out how the quarians has manage to live after so many wounds they made to each other, getting to know more of their culture, architecture, see them without a suit.

I read some where that in a private conference ask what the n7 means to them, what races they're most fond off or what races they don't mind if don't return, i don't remember. Nevertheless to create  so much content maybe they'll put some references to some races that won't appear like elcor, hanar, volus or vorcha, in my opinion.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

They would also make for an overwhelming battlefield presence in hostile, unknown conditions. Imagine an Ark expedition team coming across some hostile race and just sending a horde of Rachni, Krogan, Batarians and Geth at their faces. Imagine it!

Yep. And not only can they handle nearly any condition and be extremely resilient warriors, but the Geth, Rachni, and potentially Krogan can also produce new soldiers faster than they lose them. 

 

Each of those three posed a serious threat to Council space by themselves, so together they would be a truly terrifying fighting force.

Even more so with the Batarians and the races of Council space. 

[General TSAR]

I imagine you played as a renegade.

Nope, I played as a pragmatist.

[Quarian Master Race]

Quarians now have Geth integrated into their suits, so its a package deal.

 

That said, Quarians are the only race i'm really interested in.  The other races are too...cliche for my tastes.  "Strict Soldier race" "Bloodthirsty Warrior race" "Logical Science race" "arrogant amazon race", etc.  Quarians are a bit more fleshed out in my opinion, plus each quarian is REQUIRED to go out and explore the galaxy, so they tend to have more perspective than others.

 

 

Also since most quarians on pilgrimage are flat broke or enslaved, odds are, there's plenty that didn't make it back to the fleet for the final battle, and so were still wandering around (now stranded due to the loss of the mass relays but still)

That is only one of 3 outcomes, and really it is a completely stupid and nonsensical addition that I hope is explicitly retconned for the sake of my poor brain cells. You can't cure biological diseases with software programs. How the hell are they mimicking infections with the suit's hardware, exactly? Even with cybernetic integration that makes no sense at all.

Otherwise, I agree. The quarians were probably the least cliché of the humanoid races in terms of culture and internal biology, and it would be a shame for all the interesting lore that was created around them to simply be discarded. 

The geth should come back as well, though I honestly think everything they are has been done before and I don't find them particularly compelling. They're basically a mix of the Borg and Data from Star Trek. Superorganisms/ hive mind entities always have the issue of not making for very compelling characters because their personalities can't be sufficiently varied from the consensus/collective as a whole. Still, plenty of people in the fanbase like them so no reason to get rid of them apart from writer laziness and cowardice.

[Cknarf]

Which ones can we bang?

 

I think the answer here is more than clear.

[Quarian Master Race]

Which ones can we bang?

 

I think the answer here is more than clear.

Well, they already let Joker bang a robot. Gethmance doesn't inherently make any less sense (as in, it is not possible to make less sense than "no sense at all").

But yeah, quarians also have that advantage of physically being humanlike enough to not make romance arcs seem overtly hilarious for those who are interested. Male quarians haven't been done (giggity) yet and are overdue, IMO. 

[Vortex13]

They would also make for an overwhelming battlefield presence in hostile, unknown conditions. Imagine an Ark expedition team coming across some hostile race and just sending a horde of Rachni, Krogan, Batarians and Geth at their faces. Imagine it!

 

 

 

I would love to see this for several reasons. Primarily, because we would get to see the Rachni again (sorry, fanboy speaking) but also because it would showcase a logical use of said species' advantages in exploring an unknown and possibly hostile galaxy.

 

Send down a clutch of Warriors and drones, let them soften up enemy defenses, as well as establish preliminary foundations for a colony. If the opposing forces begin to push back, send in the Geth and Krogan. All three species can replenish their numbers far more effectively than the other species can, and as an added bonus, each of their general attack strategies complement each other. That should be SoP for any colonization effort being utilized by the Milk Way refugees, with a preference being placed on the Rachni due to the fact that they don't have a possible genetic defect impeding their birthrate, nor would they require valuable metals and electronics to make more of themselves.

 

 

This would also be something I would like to see because it would help cast the whole colonization plot in a morally dubious light. The refugees from the Milk Way wouldn't be portrayed as shining white knights pushing bravely into the unknown, our efforts could very easily be seen as a hostile invasion; with a penchant for using biological, and self replicating weapons.

[RatThing]

For me their story ended on Rannoch. I don't want either to return, especially not the Pinocchios. And sure as hell I don't want their conflict to return as a theme (which inevitably would).

[Vortex13]

For me their story ended on Rannoch. I don't want either to return, especially not the Pinocchios. And sure as hell I don't want their conflict to return as a theme (which inevitably would).

 

 

I don't agree on the first part, but on the bolded section I agree wholeheartedly. 

 

 

If the Geth and Quarians come back, I don't want to see them distrustful of one another, or for the Quarians to be the outcasts of society, or for the Geth to be striving to "be like us" etc. Let new plotlines develop, carry the narrative further to explore the character of each species more instead of retreading old ground. I don't want the same exact themes from the original trilogy to crop up in new titles.

 

I don't want to see the Krogan opining about the days before the Genophage, and being curmudgeons with the rest of galaxy because of their plight. I don't want to see humanity struggling to prove itself as the underdog, or to redo the whole "humans are special" shtick again, etc.

[Steppenwolf]

This would also be something I would like to see because it would help cast the whole colonization plot in a morally dubious light. The refugees from the Milky Way wouldn't be portrayed as shining white knights pushing bravely into the unknown, our efforts could very easily be seen as a hostile invasion; with a penchant for using biological, and self replicating weapons.

That would be my hope as well. A colonization expedition cannot be happy-go-lucky.

[CrutchCricket]

 

• I don't see anything new they can bring to the table. AI becoming human-like, questions of synthetic sentiences etc. are thoroughly explored in ME3 with EDI and Legion.
• Their motivations changed quite readily between the games. "Geth build their own future. A megastructure. When completed we will all upload to it. All memories will be shared, all perspectives will be unified" -> "Our upgrades. With the Old Machine dead, we could upload them to all geth without sacrificing their independence. Each geth unit would be a true intelligence. We would be alive, and we could help you." After all this, who are the real geth? The ones in ME2 or the ones in ME3?
• I don't see ways of how they can end up in Andromeda without some ass pulls. 
• I'd prefer the whole organic vs synthetic theme be left in the past, or at least only briefly touched upon which won't be the case with sizeable presence of the geth.

I acknowledge that it's all subjective, players who like the geth would like to see them in ME:Next. I don't and I'd rather not see them at all. Especially since I destroyed them all both on Rannoch and with Destroy ending.

 

• Just because you don't see it, doesn't mean it can't be there. Like someone else mentioned, there is a disappointing lack of non-anthropomorphic alien perspectives in ME. Sure they could do that with a new Andromeda species but said species might be hostile.
• Neither are less real than the other. Perspectives can change, particularly when your other choice is extinction. Never mind that nothing in ME3 suggests the Geth permanently abandoned the search for their own future. It just so happened the only way they could stick around long enough to search for that future was to borrow somebody else's for a bit.
• You really don't? The geth are the best suited species to make the trip, even with known conventional method. Not organic, remember?
• Agreed. Though it's a mistake to assume the geth (or any AI for that matter) necessitates a return to that theme.

Personally I'd want that bullshit "Destroy kills all AI" nonsense retconned like it's no one's business, regardless of whether this Ark theory is true or not. Even if I don't want a canon ending, eliminating some of this crap would totally make my day.

 

I'm with Joker here. My last ship (suit) got on just fine without an AI telling me 'the airlock is ajar'

Yeah and how did that turn out? His last ship got hilariously ganked by the Collectors and his new ship would've suffered the same fate without EDI.

 

 

Otherwise to the OP, the geth are the best suited to making the Andromeda trip out of all the ME races, followed by the quarians (they already live on ships) and possibly the rachni (one queen can start a whole colony, they can hibernate and are adept at using technology). It's only logical that they should be involved and thus seen in the next game. The focus doesn't have to be on them of course.

 

For the best chance of success, given what we know of each race's capabilities, the Ark should be co-designed and operated by geth/quarians and rachni. and funded/supplied by the asari and possibly the volus. Security should be turian, science and medical should be salarians, and humans would just be support on all fronts. All other races are on the whole useless and should only be along for the ride (if there's room)

[Silvair]

That is only one of 3 outcomes, and really it is a completely stupid and nonsensical addition that I hope is explicitly retconned for the sake of my poor brain cells. You can't cure biological diseases with software programs. How the hell are they mimicking infections with the suit's hardware, exactly? Even with cybernetic integration that makes no sense at all.

Otherwise, I agree. The quarians were probably the least cliché of the humanoid races in terms of culture and internal biology, and it would be a shame for all the interesting lore that was created around them to simply be discarded. 

The geth should come back as well, though I honestly think everything they are has been done before and I don't find them particularly compelling. They're basically a mix of the Borg and Data from Star Trek. Superorganisms/ hive mind entities always have the issue of not making for very compelling characters because their personalities can't be sufficiently varied from the consensus/collective as a whole. Still, plenty of people in the fanbase like them so no reason to get rid of them apart from writer laziness and cowardice.

Not really.  Its how they do tests in real life: You run simulations and diagonostics, then a field test.  Geth in their suits would let them adapt the suits systems to infections much faster by running trial resistances through the data, etc, as well as micromanaging real time infections, dealing with them much faster and more efficiently.  Also keeping in mind the geth lived on Rannoch for 300 years, so they can help the quarians readjust to the local environment that much faster.

 

I really like them going back to their origins as aide for the physically weak quarians, only now, its on their terms and much more efficient.

 

 

I would love to see this for several reasons. Primarily, because we would get to see the Rachni again (sorry, fanboy speaking) but also because it would showcase a logical use of said species' advantages in exploring an unknown and possibly hostile galaxy.

 

Send down a clutch of Warriors and drones, let them soften up enemy defenses, as well as establish preliminary foundations for a colony. If the opposing forces begin to push back, send in the Geth and Krogan. All three species can replenish their numbers far more effectively than the other species can, and as an added bonus, each of their general attack strategies complement each other. That should be SoP for any colonization effort being utilized by the Milk Way refugees, with a preference being placed on the Rachni due to the fact that they don't have a possible genetic defect impeding their birthrate, nor would they require valuable metals and electronics to make more of themselves.

 

 

This would also be something I would like to see because it would help cast the whole colonization plot in a morally dubious light. The refugees from the Milk Way wouldn't be portrayed as shining white knights pushing bravely into the unknown, our efforts could very easily be seen as a hostile invasion; with a penchant for using biological, and self replicating weapons.

This too, so much.

 

Its what Saren was doing in ME1, and now we could do the same.

 

 

 

 

 

Also I'd like to point out that if they don't bring back ME1-3 species and characters, but only new content, then it might as well not be Mass Effect at all, but a new franchise.  

[Oldren Shepard]

Nope, I played as a pragmatist.

you have the ego like a black hole

[Vazgen]

• Just because you don't see it, doesn't mean it can't be there. Like someone else mentioned, there is a disappointing lack of non-anthropomorphic alien perspectives in ME. Sure they could do that with a new Andromeda species but said species might be hostile.
• Neither are less real than the other. Perspectives can change, particularly when your other choice is extinction. Never mind that nothing in ME3 suggests the Geth permanently abandoned the search for their own future. It just so happened the only way they could stick around long enough to search for that future was to borrow somebody else's for a bit.
• You really don't? The geth are the best suited species to make the trip, even with known conventional method. Not organic, remember?
• Agreed. Though it's a mistake to assume the geth (or any AI for that matter) necessitates a return to that theme.

Personally I'd want that bullshit "Destroy kills all AI" nonsense retconned like it's no one's business, regardless of whether this Ark theory is true or not. Even if I don't want a canon ending, eliminating some of this crap would totally make my day.

• Except the geth are not a solution to this problem at all. Especially their ME3 version.
• The question was not about the change of perspective but about which geth should end up in Andromeda. You claim they are the same, but the geth prior to Reaper Code upgrades and after that are drastically different.
• Sure, they are the best suited. The thing is, who is going to take them to the trip? Geth developing such project is only possible by making some other group similar to heretics, who were not interested in superstructure. Makes one wonder, what the consensus is for if there are so many disagreements... If that's not the case, there are only two known groups of the geth - heretics and the geth who were building the superstructure. None of which had plans to leave the Milky Way. As for the other races taking the geth alongside them, the geth were presumed hostile by the galaxy up until the Rannoch arc. No one in their sane mind would take them on board. And after Rannoch there is the issue of different outcomes. Surely, they can make some crazy Quarian to create them in Andromeda. I view all of these options as ass pulls.
• Organic vs synthetic relations are the defining characteristic of the geth. You can't write peaceful geth without either completely separating them from organics or addressing the difference of world perspective of organics and synthetics. Or making them even more human than they are now.

Something the ending haters seem to conveniently forget is that not everyone hated the ending. Not everyone will be OK with retconning different aspects of it. 

 

 

Yeah and how did that turn out? His last ship got hilariously ganked by the Collectors and his new ship would've suffered the same fate without EDI.

I used that line to illustrate my PoV on having an AI/VI in protagonist's suit. So unless you suggest that my PoV will change on a whim of the writers (like it happened to Joker), in-game examples of EDI's usefulness are irrelevant here. 

 

[timebean]

*snip*

 

For the best chance of success, given what we know of each race's capabilities, the Ark should be co-designed and operated by geth/quarians and rachni. and funded/supplied by the asari and possibly the volus. Security should be turian, science and medical should be salarians, and humans would just be support on all fronts. All other races are on the whole useless and should only be along for the ride (if there's room)

 

 

On the other hand...humans can be (and are) all of the those things mentioned above. Of course, it would be a boring game if the ship were all human!

 

I like to think of how the historical roles of the of these species could be useful to promote success for colonization of a new galaxy. Qaurians, with their nomadic history, are well suited to re-purposing salvage. I see them as super important on recons of planets that already have some technology, because they know how to get the most out of stuff we find along the way. Having a quarian on the crew makes sense imo.

 

I imagine salarians would have a huge log of genetic info from the Milky Way, given their studies on genetics of lower species (as well as their ability tro uplift those species with technology).  Thus, they would be useful as anthropologist/naturalists on such an expedition.  Ie, we find a new race, what can we get out of them? Alternatively, we could have our own human evolutionary geneticists, so a spot for a salarian may be a hard sell. 

 

Asari, given their ability to mind meld, would be extremely useful as well when encountering new races.And...I imagine they would want a spot on the ship simply because they could get a chance to breed with other species and thus improve the genetic make-up of their own species.

 

Krogan and rachni are tough and can potentially help settle difficult planets.  Plus, they are fun!

 

And turians, being a militant society, would be amazing at logistics, planning, and most likely engineering. Of course, humans have that as well.

 

Humans...well...I guess we would still just be humans, doing a bit of everything.

 

So...I think if any characters from different species make it on to the Ark (if there even is an ARK, etc), then it will be a qaurian, an asari, and a krogan. That is my guess! Can't wait to see if I am right!

 

Oh, and the geth...I doubt they will be there.  Just a hunch...

[CrutchCricket]

 

• Except the geth are not a solution to this problem at all. Especially their ME3 version.
• The question was not about the change of perspective but about which geth should end up in Andromeda. You claim they are the same, but the geth prior to Reaper Code upgrades and after that are drastically different.
• Sure, they are the best suited. The thing is, who is going to take them to the trip? Geth developing such project is only possible by making some other group similar to heretics, who were not interested in superstructure. Makes one wonder, what the consensus is for if there are so many disagreements... If that's not the case, there are only two known groups of the geth - heretics and the geth who were building the superstructure. None of which had plans to leave the Milky Way. As for the other races taking the geth alongside them, the geth were presumed hostile by the galaxy up until the Rannoch arc. No one in their sane mind would take them on board. And after Rannoch there is the issue of different outcomes. Surely, they can make some crazy Quarian to create them in Andromeda. I view all of these options as ass pulls.
• Organic vs synthetic relations are the defining characteristic of the geth. You can't write peaceful geth without either completely separating them from organics or addressing the difference of world perspective of organics and synthetics. Or making them even more human than they are now.

Something the ending haters seem to conveniently forget is that not everyone hated the ending. Not everyone will be OK with retconning different aspects of it. 

 

 

I used that line to illustrate my PoV on having an AI/VI in protagonist's suit. So unless you suggest that my PoV will change on a whim of the writers (like it happened to Joker), in-game examples of EDI's usefulness are irrelevant here. 

 

• Sure they are. Individualistic=/=anthropomorphic, a point I seem to remember making in another thread. ME2 geth started as very different from organics and their writer fought damn hard to keep it that way (was overruled by "art" even then with the N7 armor piece). Yes ME3 moved further away from that but there's no reason they can't move back.
• I never claimed they are the same. What's different is what's added, not what's taken away.
• A third faction would be an asspull sure but one that there is a precedent for. If the consensus splintered once, it can do so again. Doesn't diminish it's value one bit. Or maybe it does and the geth need to reevaluate their operating existence. None of this is insurmountable.
• "Organic vs synthetic" implies conflict. You can explore how they are different without conflict. And you can certainly have the geth without comparing them to organics at all. Like the above point, what if the consensus needs to be reevaluated? Sure the only other opinions they can get are organic (without inventing new characters or races) but it's less about that and more them as just another race that has a problem to solve. Or how about if they talked with the rachni? They are more similar than the other races and the discussion wouldn't be "organic vs synthetic" but "consensus vs colony". The holokid was full of crap. The less that persists the better.

Well we'll just have to disagree on that then, won't we?

 

I suggest that your PoV is shortsighted as in-game evidence demonstrates utility. You're welcome to keep it, no skin off my back.

[Vazgen]

 

• Sure they are. Individualistic=/=anthropomorphic, a point I seem to remember making in another thread. ME2 geth started as very different from organics and their writer fought damn hard to keep it that way (was overruled by "art" even then with the N7 armor piece). Yes ME3 moved further away from that but there's no reason they can't move back.
• I never claimed they are the same. What's different is what's added, not what's taken away.
• A third faction would be an asspull sure but one that there is a precedent for. If the consensus splintered once, it can do so again. Doesn't diminish it's value one bit. Or maybe it does and the geth need to reevaluate their operating existence. None of this is insurmountable.
• "Organic vs synthetic" implies conflict. You can explore how they are different without conflict. And you can certainly have the geth without comparing them to organics at all. Like the above point, what if the consensus needs to be reevaluated? Sure the only other opinions they can get are organic (without inventing new characters or races) but it's less about that and more them as just another race that has a problem to solve. Or how about if they talked with the rachni? They are more similar than the other races and the discussion wouldn't be "organic vs synthetic" but "consensus vs colony". The holokid was full of crap. The less that persists the better.

Well we'll just have to disagree on that then, won't we?

 

I suggest that your PoV is shortsighted as in-game evidence demonstrates utility. You're welcome to keep it, no skin off my back.

 

• The geth are anything except individualistic. Their whole functioning is based on working in groups. There is no "I" for the geth, there is only "we". Unless we are talking about Reaper-upgraded geth who are anthropomorphic. 
• Once again, which of those geth versions you want to be in Andromeda? 
• I never said it will be insurmountable. I said it'll be an ass pull and I prefer to have as few ass pulls in the next game as possible.
• Organic vs synthetic does not equate to conflict. Normandy doctor and Adams discussing the sentience of AIs, EDI and Joker relationship - all these are a part of synthetic vs organic theme. If you write relations between synthetics and organics you have to portray them differently to avoid anthropomorphism. And once you do it, you get the clash of perspectives about certain questions. And you can't write around those conflicting issues, because those questions are too fundamental not to be addressed.

I guess so.

 

My PoV has nothing to do with in-game utility. An AI/VI in protagonist's suit can be very useful by pointing out objectives and loot. It does not affect my opinion on having it in the slightest, I'd prefer to struggle without it any day.

[Nitrocuban]

A single Geth ship dissconnected from the rest of the hive mind could explain why they are not wiped out reaperyfied or advanced beyound singularity.

And one single Rachni Queen egg we have to breed out first instead of a whole army right away, so we only get a bunch of Rachni workers as assets or as cannon fodder in missions.

[Guanxii]

A single Geth ship dissconnected from the rest of the hive mind could explain why they are not wiped out reaperyfied or advanced beyound singularity.
And one single Rachni Queen egg we have to breed out first instead of a whole army right away, so we only get a bunch of Rachni workers as assets or as cannon fodder in missions.

A single Geth ship, dreadnaught or fleet surviving outside of the blast zone would set them back millennia. Although early recordings prove that they were never animalistic tools of labor or war even in the early days.

[CrutchCricket]

 

• The geth are anything except individualistic. Their whole functioning is based on working in groups. There is no "I" for the geth, there is only "we". Unless we are talking about Reaper-upgraded geth who are anthropomorphic. 
• Once again, which of those geth versions you want to be in Andromeda? 
• I never said it will be insurmountable. I said it'll be an ass pull and I prefer to have as few ass pulls in the next game as possible.
• Organic vs synthetic does not equate to conflict. Normandy doctor and Adams discussing the sentience of AIs, EDI and Joker relationship - all these are a part of synthetic vs organic theme. If you write relations between synthetics and organics you have to portray them differently to avoid anthropomorphism. And once you do it, you get the clash of perspectives about certain questions. And you can't write around those conflicting issues, because those questions are too fundamental not to be addressed.

I guess so.

 

My PoV has nothing to do with in-game utility. An AI/VI in protagonist's suit can be very useful by pointing out objectives and loot. It does not affect my opinion on having it in the slightest, I'd prefer to struggle without it any day.

 

• NO. Again, individualism is not the sole domain of human nature. To claim that is to assert that it's impossible to have an individualistic intelligence that's fundamentally different from humans. That's quite an arrogant claim. The geth in ME3 gained invididualism through the Reaper upgrades. This does not make them anthropomorphic (any more than they already were in order to be able to communicate with us)
• Either? I don't really have a preference.
• An ass pull with precedent is less of an asspull. Or better stated, not all asspulls are created equal. I think a third faction is a viable retcon.
• You say that but you then you immediately use words like "clashing perspectives" and "conflicting issues". Also, not every interaction between AI and organics boils down (or needs to boil down) to "look how different we are". I'm not denying stuff like that will come up again. But I do not recognize that this and only this needs to happen if you have AI.

Fine. But you chose a quote that is shown up as being erronous. I'm just pointing that out.

 

A single Geth ship, dreadnaught or fleet surviving outside of the blast zone would set them back millennia.

Depends how many programs they stored on that ship/fleet.

 

And millennia? Please. Geth program propagation is likely only limited by available resources. As soon as said fleet/ships discovered the materials to create additional servers and power supplies, they'd be back in business in months, maybe less.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

The difference between whether the Geth are updated by the Reaper code or not can be handled in a conversation. Remember in ME3 Shepard and Legion point out that while the Reaper code sped the process along, the Geth were always heading towards that direction on their own. Give them a few centuries of space travel and it is possible they become individuals by themselves. 

 

A single Geth ship, dreadnaught or fleet surviving outside of the blast zone would set them back millennia. Although early recordings prove that they were always peaceful and more than tools of labor or war.

Which is weird considering the Geth are only 300 years old. 

[Guanxii]

The difference between whether the Geth are updated by the Reaper code or not can be handled in a conversation. Remember in ME3 Shepard and Legion point out that while the Reaper code sped the process along, the Geth were always heading towards that direction on their own. Give them a few centuries of space travel and it is possible they become individuals by themselves.

Which is weird considering the Geth are only 300 years old.

I meant in comparison to us if 90% of their processes were lost.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I would love to see this for several reasons. Primarily, because we would get to see the Rachni again (sorry, fanboy speaking) but also because it would showcase a logical use of said species' advantages in exploring an unknown and possibly hostile galaxy.

 

Send down a clutch of Warriors and drones, let them soften up enemy defenses, as well as establish preliminary foundations for a colony. If the opposing forces begin to push back, send in the Geth and Krogan. All three species can replenish their numbers far more effectively than the other species can, and as an added bonus, each of their general attack strategies complement each other. That should be SoP for any colonization effort being utilized by the Milk Way refugees, with a preference being placed on the Rachni due to the fact that they don't have a possible genetic defect impeding their birthrate, nor would they require valuable metals and electronics to make more of themselves.

 

 

This would also be something I would like to see because it would help cast the whole colonization plot in a morally dubious light. The refugees from the Milk Way wouldn't be portrayed as shining white knights pushing bravely into the unknown, our efforts could very easily be seen as a hostile invasion; with a penchant for using biological, and self replicating weapons.

That would be an interesting premise. Our side would see it as us in the right and the Khet as ruthless savages intent on fighting us, but they would see us as invaders and are only fighting to protect themselves.

 

I don't agree on the first part, but on the bolded section I agree wholeheartedly. 

 

 

If the Geth and Quarians come back, I don't want to see them distrustful of one another, or for the Quarians to be the outcasts of society, or for the Geth to be striving to "be like us" etc. Let new plotlines develop, carry the narrative further to explore the character of each species more instead of retreading old ground. I don't want the same exact themes from the original trilogy to crop up in new titles.

 

I don't want to see the Krogan opining about the days before the Genophage, and being curmudgeons with the rest of galaxy because of their plight. I don't want to see humanity struggling to prove itself as the underdog, or to redo the whole "humans are special" shtick again, etc.

That is one of the few things I like about this idea if true. If it happens, it places all the races of the Milky Way on the same footing and facing the same problems, meaning they would have to put aside their differences for the good of the group as equals.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I meant in comparison to us if 90% of their processes were lost.

I know what you meant. I just found the use of the phrase "setting them back millennia" with a race that has only been around a few centuries humorous.

[Vazgen]

 

• NO. Again, individualism is not the sole domain of human nature. To claim that is to assert that it's impossible to have an individualistic intelligence that's fundamentally different from humans. That's quite an arrogant claim. The geth in ME3 gained invididualism through the Reaper upgrades. This does not make them anthropomorphic (any more than they already were in order to be able to communicate with us)
• Either? I don't really have a preference.
• An ass pull with precedent is less of an asspull. Or better stated, not all asspulls are created equal. I think a third faction is a viable retcon.
• You say that but you then you immediately use words like "clashing perspectives" and "conflicting issues". Also, not every interaction between AI and organics boils down (or needs to boil down) to "look how different we are". I'm not denying stuff like that will come up again. But I do not recognize that this and only this needs to happen if you have AI.

Fine. But you chose a quote that is shown up as being erronous. I'm just pointing that out.

• Legion lies to the player (twice), expresses gratitude or anger (depending on the decisions after killing the Reaper), once again raises the concept of soul. Those are human characteristics, no? Of course, one might say that those characteristics are not limited to humans, especially in a universe with alien races. But in that case, the whole notion of anthropomorphism makes no sense in this context. 
• You might not, but others have. There are people who hate what ME3 did to the geth. There are people who love it. 
• Once again, I'm not arguing against viability. Bioware has set the bar quite low. Synthesis, Lazarus Project - they can pretty much do anything now and it won't be any less plausible than those. Doesn't mean they should.
• If you don't address the differences between synthetics and organics, you might as well put Vulcans in Mass Effect. Because that's what the geth will look like if their synthetic state is never brought up. You'll have to bring that up to keep geth... geth. It's not about simple differences of cultures, like Rachni and humanity, for example. It's about the geth being created life.