then what is itIt isn't a ****** lobotomy.
It's a disgusting and inaccurate comparison.
Tranquility doesn't impact the physical body.
No one dies from a botched tranquility.
then what is it
It makes no sense, nor is it fair from a rpg perspective, that non-mages cannot sentence people to tranquility.
I wondered this, and also wondered what kind of mage would even possibly conceive of inflicting tranquility on another mage, even if they were pro circle/chantry.
Vivienne for one. She approves if you do it. And all my mages made Erimond tranquil. It's a fitting punishment for him considering how he's the worst of mages, he really hates the punishment, and it makes use of his body while in a way "killing" him. It's funny picturing him preparing baths for the Inquisitor.
Honestly, why would a Dalish or Qunari mage even know about the rite? I mean unless they learned it from Vivienne, it only makes sense to get that as a human mage (with it being mage-locked).
I think most mages have heard of tranquility at the least.
I wondered this, and also wondered what kind of mage would even possibly conceive of inflicting tranquility on another mage, even if they were pro circle/chantry.
The Tevinter Imperium also uses the Rite.
The Tevinter Imperium also uses the Rite.
Well yeah sure, I'd expect them to have no qualms using it.
Vivienne for one. She approves if you do it. And all my mages made Erimond tranquil. It's a fitting punishment for him considering how he's the worst of mages, he really hates the punishment, and it makes use of his body while in a way "killing" him. It's funny picturing him preparing baths for the Inquisitor.
Again, I am not shocked she'd approve.
What I should have said is any mage with a heart and a conscience 
You do realize most Tranquilities, I say most because some happen illegally, are approved of by the First Enchanters of the CoM, yes? The probable reason only a mage Inquisitor can deal out such punishments is because only a mage has ever been allowed to legally do so. Which makes the response from the mage population even more retarded in retrospect.
That being said, I've only used the punishment once, and only on Calpurnia's master. Which made said response from the Inquisition's mages even dumber.
It makes no sense, nor is it fair from a rpg perspective, that non-mages cannot sentence people to tranquility.
Vivienne for one. She approves if you do it. And all my mages made Erimond tranquil. It's a fitting punishment for him considering how he's the worst of mages, he really hates the punishment, and it makes use of his body while in a way "killing" him. It's funny picturing him preparing baths for the Inquisitor.
I think most mages have heard of tranquility at the least.
Qunari and Dalish do not have tranquils, so they would have to have learned it from Vivienne or had the Templars do it, which makes no sense if you sided with the mages. it is a logical joke. I never use it because it is stupid to waste a resource like that.
I think it would be much more reasonable if templar Inquisitor could for example chose the option rather than mage one. I don't get why mage would have more knowledge or desire to make another mages tranquil than warrior Inquisitor.
A lobotomy is removal of intelligent thinking it damages your brain in such a way where you can become basically brain dead.
Tranquility is toggling off emotions but you can still function mentally just not emotionally.
I think it would be much more reasonable if templar Inquisitor could for example chose the option rather than mage one. I don't get why mage would have more knowledge or desire to make another mages tranquil than warrior Inquisitor.
Plus, wasn't it the original inquisition/Seekers and Templars that created the rite in the first place? it indeed makes little logical sense to a mage inquisitor, especially one that has little to no knowledge on the subject, to be able to make that call.
Plus, wasn't it the original inquisition/Seekers and Templars that created the rite in the first place? it indeed makes little logical sense to a mage inquisitor, especially one that has little to no knowledge on the subject, to be able to make that call.
Yes and I don't think mages even know anything about the rite themselves other than what it makes mages. I think templars and seekers are only one who know how to perform the rite.
Plus, wasn't it the original inquisition/Seekers and Templars that created the rite in the first place? it indeed makes little logical sense to a mage inquisitor, especially one that has little to no knowledge on the subject, to be able to make that call.
The Seekers created it before Templars existed, and passed on the knowledge of its application to the order.
The Seekers created it before Templars existed, and passed on the knowledge of its application to the order.
Not that it really matters that much. The point was that the mage inquisitor has no real reason to be the class that gets that option.
I wondered this, and also wondered what kind of mage would even possibly conceive of inflicting tranquility on another mage, even if they were pro circle/chantry.
Oops, that would be me...
The Tevinter magister was fine with dying and hinted that he'd be still alive if killed and all the more happier! Which could be mad ramblings, but we don't know for sure, after all, his master was Corypheus. For someone who nearly destroyed Grey Wardens, a necessary unit to exit, and created a demon army and implies he won't die if killed, what other serious punishment is left but tranquility? I was satisfied with his dismay about it, and cutting him off from the Fade ensured that Corypheus won't be able to help him as he supposedly promised in case of his death.
It does make little sense not to give the option to all, at least if your non-mage took the arcane knowledge perk. Whilst it is true that First Enchanters in the Circles had to approve the Rite before the Templars could carry it out, when done legally, there are instances where another person in authority could do so. One that springs to mind is when Justinia approves re-tranquilising a mage, who had reversed the procedure when undertaking research on her behalf. Okay, she was reaffirming his original sentence but even so, she was doing it as a non-mage.
I presume the thinking behind this is that only a mage truly appreciates the horror of what you are inflicting. However, that is not sufficient reason, from a lore and role playing perspective, to restrict it to only mages. Perhaps what they should have done for a non-mage is have someone on hand, like Vivienne, to endorse your decision. After all Cullen asks to stand by when you are judging Samson. Of course the only drawback to this idea is that you can decline to recruit Vivienne and of course there is not a mage among your advisors but, even though she isn't a mage, Leliana seems to regard herself as their advocate, so in the absence of Vivienne, Leliana could have been the one to approve a non-mage's sentence of tranquillity on a mage.
My mages really couldn't contemplate doing it, even to Erimond, since that would make them as bad as Corypheus and Tevinter, since Dorian tells us they use it there to silence dissenters and leave them as an example to others. So I tend to opt for imprisoning him, throwing away the key and then leaving him to hear how we have wiped the floor with his god.
Honestly, why would a Dalish or Qunari mage even know about the rite? I mean unless they learned it from Vivienne, it only makes sense to get that as a human mage (with it being mage-locked).
They aren't ignoramuses. Presumably.
It isn't a ****** lobotomy.
It's a disgusting and inaccurate comparison.
Tranquility doesn't impact the physical body.
No one dies from a botched tranquility.
You don't know that. We still don't even know how it's done.
As for why only a mage Inquisitor can do it, in the follow-up war table quest, it's said that the mages protesting it only accept it because the Inquisitor is a mage herself. Meaning anyone else and you'd reignite the mage-templar war. So rather than have your Inquisition implode, they probably decided not to make that an option.
1-Side with the Templars.
2-I would all for seeing the consequences of a normal Inquisitor ordering Tranquility when siding with mages. That is kind of the point of playing an RPG where you're a leader.
I do kind of wish that you'd have the option to have it by default if you side with the Templars. I kinda headcanon that Barris would be the one to do it for you. Hell, even Cullen could probably do it.
You don't know that. We still don't even know how it's done.
It isn't a ****** lobotomy.
It's a disgusting and inaccurate comparison.
Tranquility doesn't impact the physical body.
No one dies from a botched tranquility.
So... a noninvasive lobotomy of the soul.
Those who inflict Tranquility are worse than Danarius was when he removed Fenris' memories, or Halward was when he planned on "curing" Dorian's gay.
Qunari and Dalish do not have tranquils, so they would have to have learned it from Vivienne or had the Templars do it, which makes no sense if you sided with the mages. it is a logical joke. I never use it because it is stupid to waste a resource like that.
If they've heard of templars, they've likely heard of their use of tranquility.
Well yeah sure, I'd expect them to have no qualms using it.
Again, I am not shocked she'd approve.
What I should have said is any mage with a heart and a conscience
I don't think it requires being amoral to make Erimond tranquil but whatever. And in Calpernia's old master's case it's actually the best option for everyone.
Why not a practical ex-game reason? Like, it was someone's job at BW to total up all the alternative dialogue options for each class for the whole game, and mage was short by several? So they had to come up with some reasonable places to insert some additional dialogue. Otherwise, this forum would be filled with people complaining about mages not getting as many options as rogue and warrior ...
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